Christian man likes lemonade from aborted fetuses

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
http://www.guardian.co.uk/chin...0,7369,1363339,00.html
http://up2date.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/1/213932/373

Dr. Huang Hongyun cultivates the cells of aborted foetuses and injects them into the brains and spines of his patients... Among them is Van Golden, a Christian, anti-abortion Texan who has sold his house so that he can travel to communist, atheist China and have Huang inject a million cells from the nasal area of a foetus into his spine... It cannot be easy for a man of his beliefs to be in China, where the government's one-child policy is partly responsible for millions of abortions each year. But instead of shunning the system, Golden believes his only hope is to embrace it. There is nowhere else he could get foetal cells... [His wife Debbie sums it up:] 'I don't agree with abortion, but it will happen anyway. In the US, we do abortions but don't use the cells. In China, they don't just take life and destroy it - they give something back. It's like lemonade out of lemons.

i guess abortion is okay, as long as it happens anyways?

lol. Like people don't expect the religion right to get all weak at the knees and grab at their chance for a cure if they're dying? The bunch of them are hypocrites. There's no way anyone would be naive enough to believe the majority of christians would refuse stem cell treatments if it would cure them of their fatal disease.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
H-I-P-O-C-R-I-T

kinda like the people who voted Bush on morals...hehe...oh the irony.

Before you start trying to make fun of anyone, I'd highly suggest learning how to spell hypocrite, then check the definition as well. You failed on both counts.

uhhhhh, how is he not a hypocrite?

Cyclo...care to address this?...you are the only person to say the guy isnt a hypocrite.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
H-I-P-O-C-R-I-T

kinda like the people who voted Bush on morals...hehe...oh the irony.

Before you start trying to make fun of anyone, I'd highly suggest learning how to spell hypocrite, then check the definition as well. You failed on both counts.

PWNED

Edit: I thought this was OT

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
H-I-P-O-C-R-I-T

kinda like the people who voted Bush on morals...hehe...oh the irony.

Before you start trying to make fun of anyone, I'd highly suggest learning how to spell hypocrite, then check the definition as well. You failed on both counts.

PWNED

Edit: I thought this was OT

PWNED would be if he was right on both accounts, but he was only right on 1 issue, the spelling, which is pretty meager

 

[eigen]

God wants that man to be crippled.

 

[kranky]

I would say that couple isn't really pro-life, they just claimed to be.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: eigen
God wants that man to be crippled.

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust"
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was born into an Anglican family. He attended church all his life and served on the vestry of the Anglican Church. He read the Bible daily. While he was President, he contributed to ten different churches.

Do you know what events shook his faith?

 

[RSaylors]

These poor sick religious fanatics

best bumper sticker I?ve ever seen:
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts.

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: kage69

and at what point is it acceptable to kill human life for our own advancement?

I dunno, when 'human life' threatens Israel and defies UN resolutions?

ZING!

i don't get it? How is describing in detail what I intended to point out "zing"er?

uhhhhh, how is he not a hypocrite?

: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

Like people don't expect the religion right to get all weak at the knees and grab at their chance for a cure if they're dying?

Is it falsely virtuous for us to benefit from the medical knowledge gained from the torturous mutilation of Jews by the navies while still opposing said mutilation? Isn?t this a similar, though not equal, situation?

Damn hipocrits, if they are searching for miracles, they should ask help for GOD!!!

Isn?t there a truth, an admission of personal wrong-doing, that sits between the libertine attitude of ?anything goes? and the hypocritical attitude of ?pretend you don?t do it even if you do??

Both of which are truly detrimental to society and the individual?s soul.

I would say that couple isn't really pro-life, they just claimed to be.

would that make them pro-stem cell hypocrites?

I was answering a question with a tongue-in-cheek remark you silly little boy.

Clearly, though it wasn?t a ?zinger?, as war is one of the many examples in human history ware we must ask the question. You can be pro-war for it?s benefits and be generally anti-war, you can be pro stem-cell research for it?s benefits and be generally anti-war, you can be pro slavery for it?s benefits and generally be for human rights.

We?ve faced these dichotomies throughout our history and again we must look ourselves in the mirror and ask ?do the benefits out weight the costs??

Wouldn?t it be nice if someone would start answering that question here, with a little thought, instead of the partisan hackery that yesterday?s ?cross fire? put into our bellies.

at what point is it acceptable to kill human life for our own advancement?

Though we may kill more than we save, but who we save are ?Americans??
When we save more than we kill?
When we save enormously more than we kill?
Maybe it?s never?
This question has hit us in regards to war, the death penalty, abortion, slavery, times of epidemic, ?settling? the west?

So why not try to have a little discourse about it, instead of yelling ?H-I-P-O-C-R-I-T? at anyone who disagrees with you?

I'd argue that as a nation we're required to do what it takes to save American lives, but as a person I?d pray I?d have the strength to make it never.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: RSaylors

These poor sick religious fanatics

best bumper sticker I?ve ever seen:
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts.

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: kage69

and at what point is it acceptable to kill human life for our own advancement?

I dunno, when 'human life' threatens Israel and defies UN resolutions?

ZING!

i don't get it? How is describing in detail what I intended to point out "zing"er?

uhhhhh, how is he not a hypocrite?

: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

Like people don't expect the religion right to get all weak at the knees and grab at their chance for a cure if they're dying?

Is it falsely virtuous for us to benefit from the medical knowledge gained from the torturous mutilation of Jews by the navies while still opposing said mutilation? Isn?t this a similar, though not equal, situation?

Damn hipocrits, if they are searching for miracles, they should ask help for GOD!!!

Isn?t there a truth, an admission of personal wrong-doing, that sits between the libertine attitude of ?anything goes? and the hypocritical attitude of ?pretend you don?t do it even if you do??

Both of which are truly detrimental to society and the individual?s soul.

I would say that couple isn't really pro-life, they just claimed to be.

would that make them pro-stem cell hypocrites?

I was answering a question with a tongue-in-cheek remark you silly little boy.

Clearly, though it wasn?t a ?zinger?, as war is one of the many examples in human history ware we must ask the question. You can be pro-war for it?s benefits and be generally anti-war, you can be pro stem-cell research for it?s benefits and be generally anti-war, you can be pro slavery for it?s benefits and generally be for human rights.

We?ve faced these dichotomies throughout our history and again we must look ourselves in the mirror and ask ?do the benefits out weight the costs??

Wouldn?t it be nice if someone would start answering that question here, with a little thought, instead of the partisan hackery that yesterday?s ?cross fire? put into our bellies.

at what point is it acceptable to kill human life for our own advancement?

Though we may kill more than we save, but who we save are ?Americans??
When we save more than we kill?
When we save enormously more than we kill?
Maybe it?s never?
This question has hit us in regards to war, the death penalty, abortion, slavery, times of epidemic, ?settling? the west?

So why not try to have a little discourse about it, instead of yelling ?H-I-P-O-C-R-I-T? at anyone who disagrees with you?

I'd argue that as a nation we're required to do what it takes to save American lives, but as a person I?d pray I?d have the strength to make it never.

the third quote was a typo, plz see original post

the second quote, it was a zinger and i'll give you an example: bush is against abortions and is very cold to embryonic stem cell research, but yet had no quams about invading iraq, knowing that innocents would be killed. he just chalked it up to collateral damage, so why couldn't he chalk up aborted "humans" to collateral damage in our war against diseases?

 

[kage69]

bush is against abortions and is very cold to embryonic stem cell research, but yet had no quams about invading iraq, knowing that innocents would be killed. he just chalked it up to collateral damage, so why couldn't he chalk up aborted "humans" to collateral damage in our war against diseases?

 

[Grunt03]

Ok, these people are stupid.......
To top it all off, China of all places, in every city they have what is called a death room, all homeless babies, all fe-male, they place small children in the room, the children are strapped down hand and foot, they are not fed or cared after. They keep the children in the room until they die..

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Grunt03
Ok, these people are stupid.......
To top it all off, China of all places, in every city they have what is called a death room, all homeless babies, all fe-male, they place small children in the room, the children are strapped down hand and foot, they are not fed or cared after. They keep the children in the room until they die..

link? i'm really perplexed by that, but wouldn't put it past them

also, nice sig

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: eigen
God wants that man to be crippled.

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust"
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was born into an Anglican family. He attended church all his life and served on the vestry of the Anglican Church. He read the Bible daily. While he was President, he contributed to ten different churches.

Do you know what events shook his faith?

I bet Thomas Jefferson enjoys seeing his writings taken out of context.

"That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration."

Of course, you probably got your quote from his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in which he wrote:

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded upon fables and mythologies. The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."

I'll let you connect the dots.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: eigen
God wants that man to be crippled.

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust"
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was born into an Anglican family. He attended church all his life and served on the vestry of the Anglican Church. He read the Bible daily. While he was President, he contributed to ten different churches.

Do you know what events shook his faith?

I bet Thomas Jefferson enjoys seeing his writings taken out of context.

"That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration."

Of course, you probably got your quote from his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in which he wrote:

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded upon fables and mythologies. The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."

I'll let you connect the dots.

This is cool.I like that my sig got so much attention from you guys.Thanks for not discussing the issue Riprorin.I can change my sig all day long to make you guys happy.( I just did :thumbsup But it wont change to fact that the wheelchair jockey is getting cells from the nose of a baby that had been vacummend out his mothers vagina.Isnt that just ickey...I bet thats making the Christ figure cry.

If god had wanted the man to walk we would have miracled it.if the only way for the man to be cured was for him to commit sin, then surely god wouldnt want him to do so....

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: eigen
God wants that man to be crippled.

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust"
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was born into an Anglican family. He attended church all his life and served on the vestry of the Anglican Church. He read the Bible daily. While he was President, he contributed to ten different churches.

Do you know what events shook his faith?

I bet Thomas Jefferson enjoys seeing his writings taken out of context.

"That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration."

Of course, you probably got your quote from his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in which he wrote:

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded upon fables and mythologies. The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."

I'll let you connect the dots.

This is cool.I like that my sig got so much attention from you guys.Thanks for not discussing the issue Riprorin.I can change my sig all day long to make you guys happy.( I just did :thumbsup But it wont change to fact that the wheelchair jockey is getting cells from the nose of a baby that had been vacummend out his mothers vagina.Isnt that just ickey...I bet thats making the Christ figure cry.

If god had wanted the man to walk we would have miracled it.if the only way for the man to be cured was for him to commit sin, then surely god wouldnt want him to do so....

maybe god wanted us to learn how to use embryonic stem cells?

 

[Apocalypse23]

very interesting article.

 

[kage69]

I'll let you connect the dots.

I think you're going to be waiting for awhile (don't hold your breath!)

 

[Miramonti]

But instead of shunning the system, Golden believes his only hope is to embrace it. There is nowhere else he could get foetal cells. "I wish there was another way they could do it. There are 4,000 abortions a day in the US. Partial-birth ones are murder on a most terrible level. What they are doing here is a whole lot more humane.

A typical Christian imo, professing the power of God while worshipping the power of rationalization.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: ChrisIsBored
They're making lemonade from aborted fetus' now? What's next!?


/yea yea I read it.

mmm tasty

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: ChrisIsBored
They're making lemonade from aborted fetus' now? What's next!?


/yea yea I read it.

mmm tasty

obviously

 

[RSaylors]

the second quote, it was a zinger and i'll give you an example: bush is against abortions and is very cold to embryonic stem cell research, but yet had no quams about invading iraq, knowing that innocents would be killed. he just chalked it up to collateral damage, so why couldn't he chalk up aborted "humans" to collateral damage in our war against diseases?

i said as much.

 

[Stunt]

Still no cyclowizard response....why am i not surprised...

shoot your mouth off and can't defend it...:thumbsup:

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: ChrisIsBored
They're making lemonade from aborted fetus' now? What's next!?


/yea yea I read it.

Who even know that Fetuses (Fetii???) taste like lemons!? I mean what brings you to the point of actually *tasting* an aborted Fetus?

Weird. But hey, we should be making use of Stem Cells regardless of their source, so whatever. Sad to see China being more pragmatic than we are.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

and at what point is it acceptable to kill human life for our own advancement?

It's never acceptable. But abortions don't kill human life, at least not within the first trimester. It kills CELLS, cells that have the POTENTIAL to become human life (much like dandruff or that dried skin you scuff off in the shower every morning with your Loofah) if presented with the right conditions.

Let's be clear and simple here: CELLS DON'T HAVE RIGHTS.

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Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: eigen
God wants that man to be crippled.

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust"
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was born into an Anglican family. He attended church all his life and served on the vestry of the Anglican Church. He read the Bible daily. While he was President, he contributed to ten different churches.

Do you know what events shook his faith?

Jefferson was a DEIST, did NOT attend church all his life, and was an UNITARIAN.

While he was President, Jefferson REFUSED to declare national days of fasting and thanksgiving because he didn't believe that the government had any place sanctioning or promoting religion of any kind.

Try, please, to get your facts straight.

Jason