Christian Gunman Kills 8 and Fires on Law Enforcement in Virginia

[ra990]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/us/20virginia.html

Terrorism? It surely would be if he had a muslim name.

Sympathy goes out to families of victims.


Locked- Hayabusa Rider. AT Admin.

 

[venkman]

I'm confused. Where in the article did it say he did it to kill the nonbelivers or force political change? Sounds, like a simple nutcase to me regardless of what his name/religion is.

 

[ra990]

This is true, but just imagine if he did have a middle-eastern name. That's all it would take for this to become a crazy terrorism story.

 

[Hacp]

So this counts as another terrorist attack on Obama's watch I assume?

 

[Nebor]

That's the religion of peace for you.

 

[Patranus]

I might of missed it but where did the article mention religion?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I'm confused. Where in the article did it say he did it to kill the nonbelivers or force political change? Sounds, like a simple nutcase to me regardless of what his name/religion is.

The only extremist in this thread is the OP.

 

[palehorse]

troll thread is troll.

sad story though...

 

[ra990]

The only extremist in this thread is the OP.

Ok, that's going a bit far...I'm just pointing out how this would be completely different if the killer had a different name.

For the record, I don't think this is terrorism - just a nutcase as was mentioned.

 

[Patranus]

Ok, that's going a bit far...I'm just pointing out how this would be completely different if the killer had a different name.

For the record, I don't think this is terrorism - just a nutcase as was mentioned.

Again, how do you know the religion of the criminal who is responsible for the murders?

 

[palehorse]

Ok, that's going a bit far...I'm just pointing out how this would be completely different if the killer had a different name.

For the record, I don't think this is terrorism - just a nutcase as was mentioned.

Please list one example of any recent case wherein someone was labeled "terrorist" based simply on their having a "middle-eastern name."

 

[Zebo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/us/20virginia.html

Terrorism? It surely would be if he had a muslim name.

Sympathy goes out to families of victims.

No the government tries as hard as it can to avoid linking Islam and terror. It's only called terrorism when the perpetrators say on their blogs or leave a statement they killed infidels in the name of Allah. Alternatively also when one of the 200 or so Islamic terror orgs claims responsibility.

You fail.

 

[ra990]

Please list one example of any recent case wherein someone was labeled "terrorist" based simply on their having a "middle-eastern name."

Oh, there would be plenty of people on this board calling for the genocide of an entire religion if it were. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Ok, that's going a bit far...I'm just pointing out how this would be completely different if the killer had a different name.

For the record, I don't think this is terrorism - just a nutcase as was mentioned.

Basically you created this entire thread off a fallacy. Nice job.

 

[palehorse]

Oh, there would be plenty of people on this board calling for the genocide of an entire religion if it were. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

So you have no examples? I didn't think so...

As I said, troll post is troll.

 

[ra990]

Basically you created this entire thread off a fallacy. Nice job.

It was not a serious headline. I'm just drawing parallels to the media's reaction to similar stories in the past where the perpetrator was a muslim.

 

[bob4432]

what if, what if, what if, what if you didn't live in what if land?

 

[Zebo]

It was not a serious headline. I'm just drawing parallels to the media's reaction to similar stories in the past where the perpetrator was a muslim.

There is no parallel unless you can show he killed in the name of God or religious beliefs. I'm not even sure McVieh or unibomber was a Christian terrorist more like an anarchist terrorist. The Abortion Bombers and doctor killers certainly are.

 

[palehorse]

It was not a serious headline. I'm just drawing parallels to the media's reaction to similar stories in the past where the perpetrator was a muslim.

name one.

 

[ra990]

Palehorse, are you saying that if this guy's name was Abdul Shiekh that people and the media would not be crying terrorism and that this guy's religion would not be part of the story?

EDIT: I'm glad all of you think my headline and my suggestion was ridiculous. That was the idea. Keep this in mind the next time you find yourselves jumping to conclusions based on people's names and religions, whatever they may be. Not all of you are guilty of this, but plenty people on this board are. This was aimed at getting a reaction from them...not all you rationally thinking logical reasoners.

 

[palehorse]

Palehorse, are you saying that if this guy's name was Abdul Shiekh that people and the media would not be crying terrorism and that this guy's religion would not be part of the story?

EDIT: I'm glad all of you think my headline and my suggestion was ridiculous. That was the idea. Keep this in mind the next time you find yourselves jumping to conclusions based on people's names and religions, whatever they may be. Not all of you are guilty of this, but plenty people on this board are. This was aimed at getting a reaction from them...not all you rationally thinking logical reasoners.

You still can't name one such incident involving a muslim that turned out to be something other than terrorism?

imagine that...

There is a very valid reason why muslim names involved in such incidents inspire a few extra questions. Can you guess what that reason might be?

 

[WHAMPOM]

There is no parallel unless you can show he killed in the name of God or religious beliefs. I'm not even sure McVieh or unibomber was a Christian terrorist more like an anarchist terrorist. The Abortion Bombers and doctor killers certainly are.

WHAT!! Those voices in his head telling him to kill don't count as religious?

 

[JEDIYoda]

It was not a serious headline. I'm just drawing parallels to the media's reaction to similar stories in the past where the perpetrator was a muslim.

this thread needs to be locked.....
You base the who thread on a lie--
Because nowhere does it say the gunman was a christian.
Also your premise that if the gunman was muslim it would have been terrorism is based on a false stereotype that you are guilty of perpetrating!!

NO it would not have been considered terrorism based on just the gunmans last name...there are plenty of muslim american who are a part of our country!!

This thread fails in so many ways.....

 

[werepossum]

No the government tries as hard as it can to avoid linking Islam and terror. It's only called terrorism when the perpetrators say on their blogs or leave a statement they killed infidels in the name of Allah. Alternatively also when one of the 200 or so Islamic terror orgs claims responsibility.

You fail.

Exactly. If this man had a Muslim name and had killed people whilst yelling "Allahu akbar" we'd have the president, various security czars, and all the mainstream media out saying "We don't know anything about this man or why he did this, but we know it isn't terrorism. Nope, just another isolated extremist."

 

[ra990]

...there are plenty of muslim american who are a part of our country!!

Of course there are, and most of them are good people and model citizens. That's part of my point. Look, this kind of violence is an atrocity and a huge tragedy. I feel terrible about even using this story to make my point. But quite simply, if a Muslim goes nuts and does something heinous like this, their religion takes center stage to the story and would likely be prominent in most headlines. And yes, the thread is based on a story into which I sarcastically injected the perpetrator's (probable) religion to make this point. People see this headline and everybody can agree its ridiculous.

No the government tries as hard as it can to avoid linking Islam and terror.

Agree, THIS administration does. The last administration? Quite the opposite.


In hindsight it was in poor taste to use this tragedy in order to make my point, which I didn't do very well anyway. Mods, please lock this thread.