Christ gone Wild!

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
That's funny...I went to church last Sunday and there wasn't one word said about celebrating copulation, procreation and life-blooming in general. Hmm...could it be that you have no clue as to what you're talking about?

I've got clues about a lot of things. Not on the level of a multi-talented renaissance man perhaps, but I do know easter did not end up on the (moving!) date that it is by coincidence. It's not a jewish festival, that's for sure! (Remember kids, jesus was a jew, so it would have made sense if easter was a jewish tradition - except it isn't.) No, the date for easter was decided by the church, like quite a lot of other things that is taken as truth today. Go watch the Da Vinci Code on DVD, if you like Tom Hanks that is...

So yeah, easter's a pagan holiday, borrowed by christianity.

If you're really interested in truth...I suggest that you do a little homework beyond watching the Da Vinci Code and reading anti-Christian propaganda.

Wow, just wow.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

This is true

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

 

[retrospooty]

Aired at the Vatican? ? ?

I bet sales would have spiked much higher if it were titled "Young Boys Gone wild"


ick.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Joe is full of crap...

Big oops though.

:thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Joe is full of crap...

Big oops though.

:thumbsup:

Isn't he in prison?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

To me it makes no sense that he'd be born at Christmas and died at Easter, how the hell did he manage to do all that he supposedly did in four months?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Joe is full of crap...

Big oops though.

:thumbsup:

Isn't he in prison?

I thought he did some time; I know there was some crap about him and underage girls but I do not recall what the final result of it was.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
To me it makes no sense that he'd be born at Christmas and died at Easter, how the hell did he manage to do all that he supposedly did in four months?

OK, you made my day with that one. A tip 'o the hat to ya in your general direction. LOL:thumbsup:

Oh, and don't forget - Stay low, warrior.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

So...by your logic...if Christians do not know the exact day of either his birth or death, they shouldn't celebrate these events, no? That would make you happy, no?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

So...by your logic...if Christians do not know the exact day of either his birth or death, they shouldn't celebrate these events, no? That would make you happy, no?

That's be like the Jehovah Witnesses.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

It doesn't matter what the actual date is. If you truly genuinely think that celebrating some holiday - any holiday - really 100% totally depends on the accuracy of the date; well then frankly you don't get it.

It is the idea and the recognition that makes the day meaningful, regardless if the date is accurate.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

It doesn't matter what the actual date is. If you truly genuinely think that celebrating some holiday - any holiday - really 100% totally depends on the accuracy of the date; well then frankly you don't get it.

It is the idea and the recognition that makes the day meaningful, regardless if the date is accurate.

YOU don't get it, we were dicussing the dates of the holidays compared to the dates of Jesus birth and death date, not what it means to anyone.

If you care about the meaning and choose to celebrate it because of that, then fine, but it's like celebrating your own birthday four months later than it actually is so why don't you just celebrate whatever whenever you feel like it? I mean if the DATE isn't special at all then why bother even determining what date it is on?

The dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier, well that and they pretty much killed everyone who didn't want to be a part of Christianity in the name of Christ, continued to do it for a long time. The Church and the KJV has a past in editing, adding, removing and murder, still do, to this day.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

It doesn't matter what the actual date is. If you truly genuinely think that celebrating some holiday - any holiday - really 100% totally depends on the accuracy of the date; well then frankly you don't get it.

It is the idea and the recognition that makes the day meaningful, regardless if the date is accurate.

YOU don't get it, we were dicussing the dates of the holidays compared to the dates of Jesus birth and death date, not what it means to anyone.

If you care about the meaning and choose to celebrate it because of that, then fine, but it's like celebrating your own birthday four months later than it actually is so why don't you just celebrate whatever whenever you feel like it? I mean if the DATE isn't special at all then why bother even determining what date it is on?

The dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier, well that and they pretty much killed everyone who didn't want to be a part of Christianity in the name of Christ, continued to do it for a long time. The Church and the KJV has a past in editing, adding, removing and murder, still do, to this day.

Yes, Christians care much more about the meaning of those events and I'm glad you think it's 'fine' for them to celebrate them. If you have proof of the exact dates of these events, I'm sure that the Christian community would more than happy to to move these religious holidays to the accurate dates. Until then...you can just call them all 'liars' and somehow feel justified in doing so.

You don't know that 'the dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier'. I'm not sure about Easter, but Hippolytus came up with a Dec. 25 date for Christmas based on calculations (right or wrong) from the Gospel of Luke and Zechariah. I can't find anything were he intentionally arrived at that date because it happened to coincide with a pagan holiday...but perhaps you know better.

Sigh...and then you go on to the non-Christian things done in the name of Christianity as well as Bible editing. Too many things to cover here right now...but I think you've already made up you're mind.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Hippolytus came up with a Dec. 25 date for Christmas based on calculations (right or wrong) from the Gospel of Luke and Zechariah. I can't find anything were he intentionally arrived at that date because it happened to coincide with a pagan holiday...but perhaps you know better.

Yule Log, Yule Tree and Yuletide ring a bell?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

It doesn't matter what the actual date is. If you truly genuinely think that celebrating some holiday - any holiday - really 100% totally depends on the accuracy of the date; well then frankly you don't get it.

It is the idea and the recognition that makes the day meaningful, regardless if the date is accurate.

YOU don't get it, we were dicussing the dates of the holidays compared to the dates of Jesus birth and death date, not what it means to anyone.

If you care about the meaning and choose to celebrate it because of that, then fine, but it's like celebrating your own birthday four months later than it actually is so why don't you just celebrate whatever whenever you feel like it? I mean if the DATE isn't special at all then why bother even determining what date it is on?

The dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier, well that and they pretty much killed everyone who didn't want to be a part of Christianity in the name of Christ, continued to do it for a long time. The Church and the KJV has a past in editing, adding, removing and murder, still do, to this day.

Yes, Christians care much more about the meaning of those events and I'm glad you think it's 'fine' for them to celebrate them. If you have proof of the exact dates of these events, I'm sure that the Christian community would more than happy to to move these religious holidays to the accurate dates. Until then...you can just call them all 'liars' and somehow feel justified in doing so.

You don't know that 'the dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier'. I'm not sure about Easter, but Hippolytus came up with a Dec. 25 date for Christmas based on calculations (right or wrong) from the Gospel of Luke and Zechariah. I can't find anything were he intentionally arrived at that date because it happened to coincide with a pagan holiday...but perhaps you know better.

Sigh...and then you go on to the non-Christian things done in the name of Christianity as well as Bible editing. Too many things to cover here right now...but I think you've already made up you're mind.

Straman after strawman after strawman.

Read and next time, understand.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Anyone who has access to Google can look up the historical pagan holidays.

It's also agreed among most theistic historians that Jesus was born in the spring and died late summer/fall.

So what if it was? I thought lying was un-christian, to base such important events on outright lies would make it un-christian to celebrate such holidays, no?

It doesn't matter what the actual date is. If you truly genuinely think that celebrating some holiday - any holiday - really 100% totally depends on the accuracy of the date; well then frankly you don't get it.

It is the idea and the recognition that makes the day meaningful, regardless if the date is accurate.

YOU don't get it, we were dicussing the dates of the holidays compared to the dates of Jesus birth and death date, not what it means to anyone.

If you care about the meaning and choose to celebrate it because of that, then fine, but it's like celebrating your own birthday four months later than it actually is so why don't you just celebrate whatever whenever you feel like it? I mean if the DATE isn't special at all then why bother even determining what date it is on?

The dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier, well that and they pretty much killed everyone who didn't want to be a part of Christianity in the name of Christ, continued to do it for a long time. The Church and the KJV has a past in editing, adding, removing and murder, still do, to this day.

Yes, Christians care much more about the meaning of those events and I'm glad you think it's 'fine' for them to celebrate them. If you have proof of the exact dates of these events, I'm sure that the Christian community would more than happy to to move these religious holidays to the accurate dates. Until then...you can just call them all 'liars' and somehow feel justified in doing so.

You don't know that 'the dates were stolen from other holidays to make the transition easier'. I'm not sure about Easter, but Hippolytus came up with a Dec. 25 date for Christmas based on calculations (right or wrong) from the Gospel of Luke and Zechariah. I can't find anything were he intentionally arrived at that date because it happened to coincide with a pagan holiday...but perhaps you know better.

Sigh...and then you go on to the non-Christian things done in the name of Christianity as well as Bible editing. Too many things to cover here right now...but I think you've already made up you're mind.

I'm beginning to think you spend a lot of time running into walls and saying "durrrrrrr"

 

[spittledip]

I get the impression that God doesn't care about Easter and Christmas... No point in condemning those who celebrate those holidays though.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I'm beginning to think you spend a lot of time running into walls and saying "durrrrrrr"

So true...so true. It's nearly impossible to have any type of rational discussion regarding Christianity.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I'm beginning to think you spend a lot of time running into walls and saying "durrrrrrr"

So true...so true. It's nearly impossible to have any type of rational discussion regarding Christianity.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Is this guy for real? Take of the blinders my friend.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Is this guy for real? Take of the blinders my friend.

Please feel free to enlighten me.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Is this guy for real? Take of the blinders my friend.

Please feel free to enlighten me.

Try reading something other then the bible. Lots of good information out there. And yes those holidays were taken from Pagan holidays as others have said to bring them into the fold instead of murdering them for being different. Cant have that. You know..with all the tolerance and stuff.

Google will be your friend if you let him.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
No one knows for sure, but it's very doubtful that he was actually born on that particular day. And what point are you trying to make?

That those holidays were incorporated into the Christian religion to recruit pagans into the fold?

Proof? And...regardless...so what if it was?

Is this guy for real? Take of the blinders my friend.

Please feel free to enlighten me.

Try reading something other then the bible. Lots of good information out there. And yes those holidays were taken from Pagan holidays as others have said to bring them into the fold instead of murdering them for being different. Cant have that. You know..with all the tolerance and stuff.

Google will be your friend if you let him.

I previously posted that Hippolytus was the one responsible for establishing the date for Christmas. Do you know who he is? Do you have any evidence that he chose this particular day because it coincided with a pagan holiday? Fact of the matter is that you don't know and you can Google till the cows come home and you still won't know what's fact vs fiction here.

Now, on the other hand, I freely admit that the Christmas and Easter traditions have been 'secularized' in some way shape of form throughout the history of the church. But to say the dates for these holidays were taken from the pagans is pure speculation and very unlikely if you have even a very rudimentary understanding of the 'players' who were involved in making these decisions. This is the distinction I'm trying to make.

Regarding Easter...Constantine clearly did not want the resurrection celebrated on the Jewish Passover...however, I can find nothing where he advocated a particular day to coincide with a pagan holiday. At that time, there was no clear date established for Easter or Christmas (some factions celebrated this on Dec. 25 and some on Jan. 6) at that particular time in history.

The dates for Christmas and Easter were establish at the First Council of Nicaea. Many other doctrinal issues were also addressed with the clear intent to unify the early church which was highly fragmented at that time. There is much historical information out there regarding this meeting. I suggest that you try reading something other than anti-Christian web sites who freely pass speculation off as fact to suit their agenda. Look up the historical information available on 'First Council of Nicaea' and show me exactly where those records say that those 2 dates chosen for Christmas and Easter were from taken from Pagan holidays. Google will be your friend if you let him. Lots of good information out there.