Chris Paul is a God

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
wow, makes me wonder why Kobe never had stats like this before. He definitely has the talent, kudos to Paul on a monster game.

Because Paul is a PG and Kobe is a SF playing SG. Paul's also not anywhere on the level of Kobe in terms of defense and clutch - and Kobe's not that clutch. And while he's talented, he's also arrogant and a little bitch - terrible attitude on the court.

Who would you say is more clutch than Kobe?

Off the top of my head? Manu, easily. Kobe is a streaky shooter, not a percentage shooter - thus, I wouldn't really rely on him like the Lakers do. But then again, he's also their only go-to guy so that's all they see.

If you take a look at http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT1.HTM - I know it shows him as the most attempts. But what you also need to look at is minutes and the FG% - there's a lot of players that are over him in the same range.

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: James3shin
What does a players attitude have to do with their stats? Absolutely NOTHING! You can have the worst attitude, be a jerk, but it does not affect how you put up numbers.

As for CP3, he is a MONSTER on the court. He's an above average shooter, amazing passer, with great handles, even better vision and good defender. CP3 to me is Jason Kidd + Steve Nash + Defense.

I'd also like to hear who is more clutch than Kobe Bryant.

lolwut?

Let me continue to show that Mr. Jihad does not know a thing about basketball. CP3 has "lolwut?" defense?

CP3 stats:
2008-2009 Leader in steals per game
2007-2008 Leader in steals
2007-2008 Second Team All Defense
2006-2007 Rookie of the Year

Any time you post in a B-ball thread, your credibility is out the window...





FYI I'm just picking on you 😛

Steals doesn't mean defense - just typically high IQ. That's like saying blocks truly matter. That shit only matters to casual fans and the media. You need to look at people who actually overall effect the person they're guarding - players like Artest, Duncan, Hakeem, Battier, Bryant, shit, the list goes on and on and on. Saying that he's an awesome defender based on that stat alone is absurd. CP3 is fast, but he still gets burned quite a bit off the dribble, along with being VERY weak on the pick & roll. Also, since he gets frustrated easily, he tends to make really stupid mistakes when it comes to fouling.

Manu is NOT clutch. Don't even try and compare that fruitcake to Kobe.

If you consider falling over like a ragdoll bitch clutch, then yeah, I guess he is.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
wow, makes me wonder why Kobe never had stats like this before. He definitely has the talent, kudos to Paul on a monster game.

Because Paul is a PG and Kobe is a SF playing SG. Paul's also not anywhere on the level of Kobe in terms of defense and clutch - and Kobe's not that clutch. And while he's talented, he's also arrogant and a little bitch - terrible attitude on the court.

Who would you say is more clutch than Kobe?

Off the top of my head? Manu, easily. Kobe is a streaky shooter, not a percentage shooter - thus, I wouldn't really rely on him like the Lakers do. But then again, he's also their only go-to guy so that's all they see.

If you take a look at http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT1.HTM - I know it shows him as the most attempts. But what you also need to look at is minutes and the FG% - there's a lot of players that are over him in the same range.

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: James3shin
What does a players attitude have to do with their stats? Absolutely NOTHING! You can have the worst attitude, be a jerk, but it does not affect how you put up numbers.

As for CP3, he is a MONSTER on the court. He's an above average shooter, amazing passer, with great handles, even better vision and good defender. CP3 to me is Jason Kidd + Steve Nash + Defense.

I'd also like to hear who is more clutch than Kobe Bryant.

lolwut?

Let me continue to show that Mr. Jihad does not know a thing about basketball. CP3 has "lolwut?" defense?

CP3 stats:
2008-2009 Leader in steals per game
2007-2008 Leader in steals
2007-2008 Second Team All Defense
2006-2007 Rookie of the Year

Any time you post in a B-ball thread, your credibility is out the window...





FYI I'm just picking on you 😛

Steals doesn't mean defense - just typically high IQ. That's like saying blocks truly matter. That shit only matters to casual fans and the media. You need to look at people who actually overall effect the person they're guarding - players like Artest, Duncan, Hakeem, Battier, Bryant, shit, the list goes on and on and on. Saying that he's an awesome defender based on that stat alone is absurd. CP3 is fast, but he still gets burned quite a bit off the dribble, along with being VERY weak on the pick & roll. Also, since he gets frustrated easily, he tends to make really stupid mistakes when it comes to fouling.

Manu is NOT clutch. Don't even try and compare that fruitcake to Kobe.

If you consider falling over like a ragdoll bitch clutch, then yeah, I guess he is.

Nice retort, dumbass. Were you watching that game yesterday by any chance? Or maybe the '05 Championship series? Manu is pretty f'in money on his shots - like last year against NO. Fine, you want more clutch? Duncan, Nelson, R. Davis, Pierce, LeBron (Only because of amount of shots, like Kobe) ... If Kobe is the least bit irritated by the defender, he'll miss the shot.

 

[cheezy321]

Duncan is Clutch, Lebron is Clutch. Kobe is Clutch.

Manu is streaky at BEST, and is at his worst when the ref's aren't on his side. Which is a good thing, because he is an embarrassment to the game of basketball

EDIT: I didnt watch the game, but IIRC wasn't it Mason that won the game for them yesterday? He's been more clutch for the spurs than Ginobili has been this season.

 

[Lamont Burns]

Robert Horry is clutch.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Robert Horry WAS clutch.

Fixed.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: dbk
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Who would you say is more clutch than Kobe?

Off the top of my head? Manu, easily. Kobe is a streaky shooter, not a percentage shooter - thus, I wouldn't really rely on him like the Lakers do. But then again, he's also their only go-to guy so that's all they see.

If you take a look at http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT1.HTM - I know it shows him as the most attempts. But what you also need to look at is minutes and the FG% - there's a lot of players that are over him in the same range.

Originally posted by: James3shin
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Steals doesn't mean defense - just typically high IQ. That's like saying blocks truly matter. That shit only matters to casual fans and the media. You need to look at people who actually overall effect the person they're guarding - players like Artest, Duncan, Hakeem, Battier, Bryant, shit, the list goes on and on and on. Saying that he's an awesome defender based on that stat alone is absurd. CP3 is fast, but he still gets burned quite a bit off the dribble, along with being VERY weak on the pick & roll. Also, since he gets frustrated easily, he tends to make really stupid mistakes when it comes to fouling.

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The fact that the Lakers always go to him and he takes all the shots SHOULD COUNT towards clutchness. I don't think clutchness is a quality that you can define ratably like "per 48 mins of clutch time", imo.

Give me the real stats like game winning/tying 3s, fts, baskets, regular season, in the playoffs, in the finals..etc etc

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: dougp
Steals doesn't mean defense - just typically high IQ. That's like saying blocks truly matter. That shit only matters to casual fans and the media. You need to look at people who actually overall effect the person they're guarding - players like Artest, Duncan, Hakeem, Battier, Bryant, shit, the list goes on and on and on. Saying that he's an awesome defender based on that stat alone is absurd. CP3 is fast, but he still gets burned quite a bit off the dribble, along with being VERY weak on the pick & roll. Also, since he gets frustrated easily, he tends to make really stupid mistakes when it comes to fouling.

Ummm, you've clearly never played organized ball. EVERYONE eventually gets beaten off a dribble and on a pic. MJ got beat face up against AI, Kobe got scorched against Gilbert Arenas multiple times, and Kobe has gotten around Bowen, and Battier - Battier had ONE good game against Kobe last season, that's like saying Tyrone Lue defended AI in the finals...pffft.

I did not mean to say steals are "EVERYTHING", but it's certainly a sign that you're contributing to the defense and not just "moving your feet" like Nash attempts to do. CP3, doesn't force you to put up a jumper with him draped over you but he makes tries to make you go where his teammates are or into tougher situations. CP3 made all second team not just because of his steals but his overall ability to play team D. If you say CP3 can't play D, then you don't know basketball.

 

[Lamont Burns]

Comparing blocks and steals is not a good comparison. One indicates a change in possession, scoring opportunity, etc., whereas blocks these days are just instances where a player could take the ball and have it be as worthwhile, but instead swat the ball 15 feet and flex like it meant something.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: James3shin
What does a players attitude have to do with their stats? Absolutely NOTHING! You can have the worst attitude, be a jerk, but it does not affect how you put up numbers.

As for CP3, he is a MONSTER on the court. He's an above average shooter, amazing passer, with great handles, even better vision and good defender. CP3 to me is Jason Kidd + Steve Nash + Defense.

I'd also like to hear who is more clutch than Kobe Bryant.

lolwut?

Who else picks pockets like CP3? Have you or do you even play Basketball?

gettings steals =/= good defense. granted i haven't watched chris paul as much as some of the other guys, but playing the passing lanes and gambling on your man isn't defense. i guess i'm used to watching my boy AI and don't really count steals as defense.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: dougp
Steals doesn't mean defense - just typically high IQ. That's like saying blocks truly matter. That shit only matters to casual fans and the media. You need to look at people who actually overall effect the person they're guarding - players like Artest, Duncan, Hakeem, Battier, Bryant, shit, the list goes on and on and on. Saying that he's an awesome defender based on that stat alone is absurd. CP3 is fast, but he still gets burned quite a bit off the dribble, along with being VERY weak on the pick & roll. Also, since he gets frustrated easily, he tends to make really stupid mistakes when it comes to fouling.

Ummm, you've clearly never played organized ball. EVERYONE eventually gets beaten off a dribble and on a pic. MJ got beat face up against AI, Kobe got scorched against Gilbert Arenas multiple times, and Kobe has gotten around Bowen, and Battier - Battier had ONE good game against Kobe last season, that's like saying Tyrone Lue defended AI in the finals...pffft.

I did not mean to say steals are "EVERYTHING", but it's certainly a sign that you're contributing to the defense and not just "moving your feet" like Nash attempts to do. CP3, doesn't force you to put up a jumper with him draped over you but he makes tries to make you go where his teammates are or into tougher situations. CP3 made all second team not just because of his steals but his overall ability to play team D. If you say CP3 can't play D, then you don't know basketball.

lol, AI must be first team all defense for the past decade right. :laugh:

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
chris paul gets so many bullshit assists...dude is good, but damn.

what? all those allyoops to Chandler off the pick and roll? :laugh:
You'd think that should be easier to stop but the fact that no other team is as successful with it tells me otherwise.

He also does that dribble where he dribbles through the legs to the same hand either front to back or back to front.
Most guards could probably do that dribble but to do it in-game is pretty sick.

by bullshit i meant he passes to a dude, who goes into some sort of triple threat moves, puts the ball on the floor, pump fakes his defender and makes the shot and chris paul get the assist. i'm not saying nash and kidd and some others don't get that too, but i see it wiht paul a lot more.

the one i was really thinking about was the one where paul passes it out on a fast break to a guy at half court who then takes the ball and dribbles/beats one or two guys and makes the bucket and paul gets the assist for that.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SsupernovaE

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
If Chris Paul is a god then what do you call Oscar Robertson? In 1961-62 Robertson AVERAGED 31 points, 11.4 assists and 12.5 rebounds for an entire season and he just barely missed averaging a season long triple double 4 other times. Once he missed with 31 points, 11 assists and 9.9 rebounds and another with 31 points, 10 rebounds and 9.7 assists. Long before a triple double became some sort of amazing rarity it was a rarity when Robertson didn't do it.

Oscar Robertson and especially Wilt Chamberlain were men amongst boys.

this. Though I still think Oscar > Wilt.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
chris paul gets so many bullshit assists...dude is good, but damn.

what? all those allyoops to Chandler off the pick and roll? :laugh:
You'd think that should be easier to stop but the fact that no other team is as successful with it tells me otherwise.

He also does that dribble where he dribbles through the legs to the same hand either front to back or back to front.
Most guards could probably do that dribble but to do it in-game is pretty sick.

by bullshit i meant he passes to a dude, who goes into some sort of triple threat moves, puts the ball on the floor, pump fakes his defender and makes the shot and chris paul get the assist. i'm not saying nash and kidd and some others don't get that too, but i see it wiht paul a lot more.

the one i was really thinking about was the one where paul passes it out on a fast break to a guy at half court who then takes the ball and dribbles/beats one or two guys and makes the bucket and paul gets the assist for that.

😕 What you described as "bullshit" assists pretty much happens in every game and is by (current) definition, an assist.

I'm assuming that you define an assist as a pass that directly leads to a basket (no dribbling - old school).

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

lol, AI must be first team all defense for the past decade right. :laugh:

fo real. even for his position for his draft class deron is viewed as the better defender