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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Robor
Please explain why is Fox News #1 in viewership.


Because when Libs run everything else those outlets have to split market share silly. Any other dumb questions?

Whoosh... That was my point going over your head. I'll spell it out...

And LOL @ the 'libs run everything else' comment. Typical. Maybe if you guys repeat it enough it will be true?

Tell me one other MAJOR TV news outlet that is right leaning?

MSNBC watercarriers, NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN,HNN... WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US?

cartoon network? Please enlighten us? :)

NBC has countless right-wing examples, ABC has frequently been rihgt-wing - Brit Hume, airing the right-wing 'the path to 9/11' film that blamed Clinton for 9/11, refusing moveon.org ads and much more; CBS has a mixed record; MSNBC cancelled the top-rated Phil Donahue show simply for not wanting any 'liberal' show on when the Iraq war started, after forcing it to have two pro-war guests on for every anti-war guest, and it gave Tucker Carlson a show for example, though it's now balanced by other shows.

If you could be bothered to read a book on the topic such as "What liberal media?", you would see long, detailed lists analyzing the issue and giving you your evidence.

I hope you had those blinders professionally installed.

I hope my last award of the irony of the week award was awarded before Sunday so you can get one for this idiocy.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
People still watch MSNBC? Last I checked, their ratings were worse than syndicated reruns of Roseanne...

Love all the lefties trying to casually dismiss this. Boy, I would have loved to see their reaction if someone at Fox News had said they got a "tingle up their leg" about Bush or a "thrill" about Sandra Day O'Connor.

The hypocrisy from the left...ahh...so blatant it is delicious.

The guy you are trying to paint as left for his saying that *seeing someone able to come out of poverty to get on the Supreme Court made him proud of America*, Chris Matthews -

You are not honest, as had been said many times about you - and let's look at someother things Matthews has said, courtesy of Media Matters for America:

Those who label Matthews a progressive have evidently ignored telling indicators to the contrary. As recently as the May 27 edition of Hardball, Matthews responded to documentary filmmaker Alexandra Pelosi's suggestion that members of the media -- including Matthews -- have portrayed President Bush as a "dunce" by asserting that he has voted for Bush "at least once" and that he has "defended [Bush] against the liberal elitists":

MATTHEWS: I make this president look like -- you don't watch this program, Alexandra. That has never been the case with me. And anybody watching knows right now, we treat this guy [Bush] with respect. I happen to like him. I voted for him at least once. I'm not going to go any further on that. But the idea that we treat him like a dunce is just inaccurate.

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MATTHEWS: Just to straighten the record out, Alexandra, back in the 2000 race, I was one of the few journalists that pointed out that George W. Bush did extremely well in those debates against Al Gore. In fact, I said he won in terms of personality, in terms of likability and fairness and on other grounds. I was the one who took a lot of heat for taking that position.

From the beginning, I've defended him on issues like saying Jesus Christ is his personal philosopher. I've defended him against the liberal elitists who did put him down. So, I don't think it's fair to say that I have in any way abused him. Do you want to take that back or do you want to start over or what here?

Matthews previously admitted that he "voted for Bush" in the 2000 election on the October 3, 2003, and February 23, 2004, editions of Hardball. Further, his stated positions on a variety of issues undermine characterizations of him as a liberal, and his false and misleading claims have often furthered a conservative or Republican agenda. Some examples since the 2004 presidential election are listed below.

Matthews on the filibuster debate

Matthews has repeatedly espoused Republican talking points while discussing the Senate compromise over judicial filibusters. He has claimed, among other things, that progressive advocacy groups are "fanatical" and "militant"; that because of the recent bipartisan agreement aimed at averting the "nuclear option," Democrats can stop "pouting and bitching ... [and] actually participate in legislation now"; that Republicans might "get double-crossed or screwed by the Democrats"; and that the Republican position that every judicial nominee deserves an up-or-down vote "sounds great to me."

Matthews on Social Security

Matthews baselessly impugned the motives of Democrats opposing Bush's proposal to cut Social Security benefits for middle-class and wealthy retirees using so-called "progressive indexing" and falsely suggested that means testing would result in cuts only for those who "do well" or "make more than the average income." Earlier in the Social Security debate, Matthews echoed privatization proponents' crisis rhetoric and pushed the Bush administration's terminology on Social Security privatization by referring to "personal accounts" more frequently than "private accounts."

Matthews on Hillary Clinton, Tom DeLay

Matthews has repeatedly smeared Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and questioned her ability to lead. On the May 30 edition of Hardball, Matthews expressed surprise that retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC military analyst, wasn't "chuckling a little bit" at the idea of Clinton giving orders to the troops as commander in chief:

MATTHEWS: [L]et's talk about the troops. The troops out there, they see Hillary Clinton, commander in chief, a liberal Democrat, maybe a liberal-to-moderate Democrat these days. She starts giving orders. "You guys are going to jump into hell tomorrow. You're going." Will they take the orders?

McCAFFREY: Look, the soldiers are listening -- they're listening to female first sergeants, battalion commanders, general officers. Why wouldn't they listen to a [female] commander in chief? Sure.

MATTHEWS: You're chuckling a little bit, aren't you?

McCAFFREY: No.

MATTHEWS: No problem? No problem? No problem?

McCAFFREY: Absolutely not. None.

MATTHEWS: Hillary Clinton, president?

McCAFFREY: Well, I think she's a terrific candidate, great public servant. And there's others, Condoleezza Rice.

MATTHEWS: Just remember how the military responded to Bill Clinton the first couple years. In fact, how about the first eight?

Matthews has also attacked Clinton by referring to her as a "sort of a Madame Defarge of the left." Yet he has defended House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX). When Democrats turned down a Republican offer to investigate DeLay because the offer failed to correct Republicans' earlier efforts to undermine the House ethics committee's ability to initiate investigations of alleged misconduct by all House members, Matthews accused Democrats of attacking DeLay and the Republican-led House for political gain rather than offering him a chance to clear his name.

Matthews on the Iraqi election

In praising the Iraqi election in January, Matthews falsely claimed that no insurgent attacks had occurred at polling places on election day. He also claimed that Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) responded to the election by "calling for a rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces" from Iraq when Reid's statement had explicitly expressed opposition to a timetable for withdrawal.

Matthews on the Newsweek/Koran story

In line with a number of conservative commentators, Matthews praised Newsweek investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff even though the magazine was forced to retract a story co-written by Isikoff alleging that an internal military investigation had uncovered evidence that U.S. interrogators at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, flushed a Quran down a toilet. Isikoff is perhaps best known for his investigation into former President Bill Clinton's sex life, during which Isikoff relied extensively on unreliable sources.

Matthews on voters' Republican allegiances

In April, Matthews cherry-picked poll data to support his misleading claim that Catholics have voted increasingly Republican since 1960. In fact, exit poll data indicate that Catholics are actually a swing constituency: In every presidential election since 1980, a majority or plurality of Catholics have voted for the candidate who won the popular vote, including Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and Al Gore in 2000. Similarly, Matthews ignored his own network's downward revision of Bush's share of the Hispanic vote in the 2004 election, falsely claiming: "The Hispanic community in this country, in this last election, voted almost 50-50." Revised poll results gave Kerry an advantage among Hispanic voters of 58 percent to 40 percent.
 

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Originally posted by: JayhaVVKU
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Are we really going to turn this thread into a pissing match between Fox News and other outlets?

As has been said many times before, the number of viewers does not indicate the quality of the product. Fox News is easily the most dishonest, most partisan news outlet in the US and probably in the free world.

Yep, and you're really an impartial, unbiased and reliable source to make that broad and ignorant blanket statement for the rest of the US/world.

:roll:

Fox News doesn't need any sort of "matches" like you describe, because they are absolutely creaming state-run media outlets like MSNBC, which is what this thread is about since Chris Matthews is on MSNBC. Fox News' product and their viewers speaks for itself, just like MSNBCs, CNNs, etc. lack of viewers reflects on their biased and poor quality product.

NY Times, Boston Globe, etc. bunch of other liberal rags are failing left and right, and it's because of the blatant left-leaning partisanship. People are sick of it, and it shows with liberal media tanking left and right. Chris Matthews is a perfect example of this. Aren't the news outlets only supposed to report what's happening? Why are news anchors getting tingles about politicians?

Rail against Fox News, Rush, etc. all you want, but they aren't last in the ratings and don't need federal bailouts to stay in business. ;)

Jealousy is not a good color on the left!

Maybe the popularity of Fox News is a reflection of the ignorance that permeates our society rather than a statement of how great Fox News is.

Remove 'Maybe' and that statement is correct.

 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: EXman

So nothing specific except Brit Hume... gotcha no proof.

There are plenty, including the other example I gave there; they also agreed to air the Swift bot lies. But it's a big topic a book is appropriate for- I gave you one.

You won't read it, because you are not interested in the truth. If I offer to buy you a copy, you won't promise to read it.

CBS tried to topple a sitting US president with forged documents so please do not say they are mixed that does not even pass the smell test.

You are lying. You don't pass the smelll test.

Let's look back at the facts we know about that incident:

CBS *was approached* with documents related to Bush's guard duty, which they already had plenty of evidene about *that stands to this day*. They didn't go making them up.

The document - we know the source (to CBS) of the documents, we know how he positioned them, we know his situation as being in a positition to have obtained them.

The staff were under very tight time pressures, as this story was breaking various places. Let's say for the sake of argument that they did not get the ideal validation done.

The question here is motive. They had every reason to think the documents were real - they had no knowledge they were false. You claim they SET OUT to topple a president with forged documents, as if they knew they were false when they ran the story - which is a complete lie, because as we know, they did not know the documents were false - you, in fact, are the one pushing lies not only about their intent, but about the story itself, given the evidence they had besides the documents.

And in fact, on the documents themselves, how 'phony' were they obviously? Besides the screaming internet - who has also informed us how Barack Obama likes hanging out with terrorists and isn't a natural-born US citizen (and how Bill Clinton murdered Vince Foster when he wasn't stealing with Whitewater) - they had the very secretary of the man these documents were claimed tobe written by *saying she remembered these documents accurately reflecting his views*. So, the content of the documents was *accurate*.

The documents themselves - a multi-million dollar investigation that got rid of the CBS people who had not fully verified the documents said the authenticity could not be determined for sure, that they were probably reproductions. So, we have probable reproductions of real documents with accurate information, as part of a story with other solid evidence, that the staff did not fully verify - their source later said he lied to them - that the staff did not know were probably not the originals. How terrible!

Obviously, a case of the network trying to overthrow the president by knowingly using false documents to lie! You are the one peddling the lies.

Donahue was a cranky nut pure and simple.

You're lying pure and simple - he looks that way to you through your bias. It's not the point - the point is as I said. They would not tolerate any anti-war views.

Hell they canned Michael Savage even though he was a top rated show. Why cause they are both too far something. As a whole MSNBC is almost an infomercial.

In your idiotic view, Savage's behavior like wishing AIDS on a gay caller is the same as Donahue's show having on one respectable anti-war guest for two pro-war guests.

Being against the Iraq war to you is 'extremist' and not suitable for any media time. And you think you can have any rational discussion about the media? Hardly.

Mark Sanchez nuff said.
Actually no, know idea who he is.

Chris Matthews is in man love with Obama.

BS. Matthews IMO is more right than left - he's attacked liberals a lot more than right-wingers in my opinion, but he's in some odd place attacking both at times.

I can dig up plenty of quotes of him viciously attacking 'the left' in spite of his Democratic background log ago (Reagan used to be a new dealer).

Joe Scarborough is a goober that used to be a republican in the house.

Still right-wing.

Tucker please he's small potatoes. <--wow thanks he is such a powerhouse!

Ya, you can't deal with the fact that a terrible propagandist like Carlson got a right-wig show, what that says about the network.

ABC all you have to say is Charlie Gibson. Did you see his interviews with OPbama and Palin? He asked cream puff questions to BHO then badgered Pailin like some rude lil schoolboy from the 3rd grade. "Buy Why? But Why?"

Yes, I can see why an interview might not see the rational answers of Obama any different than the insane Palin going on about her qualifications from 'seeing Russia'.

ABC's News/infomercial broadcast from the whitehouse.
Two other Evening News Anchors are out of touch left leaning self called moderates posing as everyday people.

Brian Williams? Right-wing orientation IMO.

Go search some of these names on mediamattersorg and get the facts about their behavior.

And read a book. "What liberal media?"

Your Crack dealer must be livin LARGE on you! ;) there is no point argueing with you... mediamatters.org please!!!
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: EXman

Your Crack dealer must be livin LARGE on you! ;) there is no point argueing with you... mediamatters.org please!!!

Can you limit yourself to the 100 or so most relevant facts next time, please - it's just too much data to wade through your detailed argument.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Wasn't it Matthews who was going to get Waterboarded? If Yes, did he?

Not that I recall, but Christopher Hitchens did, and said he had to admit it was torture.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: EXman

Your Crack dealer must be livin LARGE on you! ;) there is no point argueing with you... mediamatters.org please!!!

Can you limit yourself to the 100 or so most relevant facts next time, please - it's just too much data to wade through your detailed argument.

There is no use argueing with you. You are delusional. :thumbsdown:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

NY Times, Boston Globe, etc. bunch of other liberal rags are failing left and right, and it's because of the blatant left-leaning partisanship. People are sick of it, and it shows with liberal media tanking left and right.

Idiocy and delusion. Your own bias is clear.

I guess you're saying that the 'liberal bias' - a lie, by the way - of the Boston Globe and New York Times is a recent development, causing them to do worse lately but great before?

As in the New York Times being the top newspaper in the nation for who knows how long, all the while a right-wing paper since it was selling a lot?

Or maybe you haven't heard about newspapers doing worse in general lately, with the internet offering new vast amounts of instant information - all papers.

As in all political 'spectrum' of papers, blowing your lie out of the water.

And in the broader media I haven't seen liberals do so well in a long time. Used to be I couldn't find about any 'liberal' show, now there are all kinds of national liberal radio hosts (Thom Hartmann, Angie Coiro, Rachel Maddow and many others), and a number of tv shows to pick from (Olbermann and Maddow stand out). Heck, even the comedy circuit, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert's caricature of the right - remember the right-wing version of the daily show they put on? Wow, that did not last.

You are suggesting that the nation elected a Democrat while it's 'sick' of the liberal message and the liberal media is growing.