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Chris Harris drives the Dodge Viper ACR

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Aww, well, golly gee mister, I guess you'll have to explain this fancy kart thing to me again. I'm just a simpleton who started with 4 years of academic and practical experience in race car design, fabrication, preparation, and driving in Formula SAE. And I know it ain't that fancy F1 stuff or nothin', but after FSAE I started auto-x and wheel-to-wheel endurance road racing. So, puh-leeze mister, can you explain to simple layman like me what that there race car drive is talkin' about? I just ain't got no frame of reference to understand the ideas and concepts that Chris Harris is trying to communicate ah-yup!

Uh, FSAE isn't really a driving competition, but if you've raced with those type of chassis then you should know that auto-x & junker racing or passenger cars in general aren't exactly the same league.

You should also be aware that the latter are designed/setup to react relatively safely given moderate inputs as jlee kept iterating above, and that this isn't necessarily the case in a competition where the point is to induce direction change asap. Now interpolate those to imagine something like the viper. I've explained the problem with driving such a vehicle in a less controlled environment, but it's worth reiterating the core point: you only have to slip up once, it could be bit inclement conditions or other reason for changing surface, temporary lapse resulting in too wide/deep or whatever the excuse might be. Sawing at the controls or whatever to save yourself might work out with most safer cars (perhaps inducing a misleading sense of confidence), but less so for ones that often end up on youtube.

I suspect you already know what I'm talking about from the last post, and if that's the case it's better to be on the smart of this argument rather than on youtube.

This idiot suffers from severe cases of dunning-kruger (or I call it dunkin-goober, a new disease named just for him), and delusion of grandeur. He made a lot of idiotic assumptions about people on this forums. Best ignore him and move on before he respond with a diatribe of diarrhea proportions as you've seen already.

You don't know what JCH13 is talking about either, so it's a mystery what you're proud of here.
 
This idiot suffers from severe cases of dunning-kruger (or I call it dunkin-goober, a new disease named just for him), and delusion of grandeur. He made a lot of idiotic assumptions about people on this forums. Best ignore him and move on before he respond with a diatribe of diarrhea proportions as you've seen already.

I like how he's doubling down on go-karting too.
 
I'd love to hear the twisted logic that explains how FSAE "isn't really a driving competition" when more than 2/3 of the total possible points a team can earn are directly from ranking in driving events... see P5 here: http://students.sae.org/cds/formulaseries/rules/2015-16_fsae_rules.pdf

I'm not sure what your objective was by explaining thins I've done back to me...

Lets look at some real data: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/driver-death-rates
http://www.thecarconnection.com/new...k-these-vehicles-have-the-highest-death-rates

From the 2000 year IIHS report:

"The vehicles with the highest death rates are all sports cars — the Chevrolet Camaro, Camaro convertible, and Pontiac Firebird. These three models have very high death rates in single-vehicle crashes, and this has been true model year after model year (see "Camaro has highest on-road death rate," Nov. 9, 1996). The single-vehicle death rates, including high rollover rates despite low centers of gravity, reflect both the performance capabilities of the sports cars and the risk-taking characteristics of many of their drivers."

I couldn't easily locate good information on the Viper specifically, but it is certainly not the most dangerous vehicle. Many other more mundane vehicles are more dangerous than the Viper on the road. It's especially worth noting that: "Within any given weight class, pickup trucks have the highest driver death rates, and four-wheel-drive pickups are the worst. High single-vehicle rollover death rates are major contributors to the poor overall rates in these vehicles."

Something to chew on...
 
I'd love to hear the twisted logic that explains how FSAE "isn't really a driving competition" when more than 2/3 of the total possible points a team can earn are directly from ranking in driving events... see P5 here: http://students.sae.org/cds/formulaseries/rules/2015-16_fsae_rules.pdf

I'm not sure what your objective was by explaining thins I've done back to me...

FSAE is largely an engineering and to a degree interdisciplinary/networking exercise. Timed tests are meant more as a motivational/measurement much as evaluation tool. Also I don't know how you're doing math but autox is the only one that requires much skill, and it's a minor portion of the total. Super-competitive schools might bring some ringer but for most programs drivers conform to "good enough".

This doesn't mean you're a shit driver, but it's just such an odd qualification to bring up. The only reason it might be relevant to driving is it sometimes provides an opportunity to drive a well sorted chassis on hopefully more than a parking lot. However the eng bit should provide some insight into why the viper is pretty racy (and correspondingly touchy), like a light body shell that minimizes rotational inertia at the max radius from center masss.

Lets look at some real data: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/driver-death-rates
http://www.thecarconnection.com/new...k-these-vehicles-have-the-highest-death-rates

From the 2000 year IIHS report:

"The vehicles with the highest death rates are all sports cars — the Chevrolet Camaro, Camaro convertible, and Pontiac Firebird. These three models have very high death rates in single-vehicle crashes, and this has been true model year after model year (see "Camaro has highest on-road death rate," Nov. 9, 1996). The single-vehicle death rates, including high rollover rates despite low centers of gravity, reflect both the performance capabilities of the sports cars and the risk-taking characteristics of many of their drivers."

I couldn't easily locate good information on the Viper specifically, but it is certainly not the most dangerous vehicle. Many other more mundane vehicles are more dangerous than the Viper on the road. It's especially worth noting that: "Within any given weight class, pickup trucks have the highest driver death rates, and four-wheel-drive pickups are the worst. High single-vehicle rollover death rates are major contributors to the poor overall rates in these vehicles."

Something to chew on...

These rates aren't normalized to miles. Vipers are usually weekend cars at best. Also a lot of these pricier halo vehicles are bought by geriatrics as trophies meant to recapture dreams of their youth or whatever.

Well, for starter, I'm very proud of not being a blathering idiot.

Frankly nobody cares what you think, because it certainly never has much to do with the substance of the topic.
 
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Frankly nobody cares what you think, because it certainly never has much to do with the substance of the topic.
Touche! Well, you seem to not get that no one cares what you think, either. But, do carry on to be an idiot while bleating on about things you think you know something about.

Have I told you lately that you're a nobody? The sooner you realize that, the better it is for all.
 
Touche! Well, you seem to not get that no one cares what you think, either. But, do carry on to be an idiot while bleating on about things you think you know something about.

Have I told you lately that you're a nobody? The sooner you realize that, the better it is for all.

It rather makes sense someone who can't even figure out what "substance of the topic" means believe everyone else is as useless as they are. Otherwise the reality of it might be pretty hard to face.
 
You've had plenty of opportunities now to show any sort of redeeming quality, but you've used them all to demonstrate just how well the useless label fits. If it were just you getting mouthy alone it'd be one thing, but unfortunately in a public forum everyone else to suffer it, too; so really it's more accurate to call it worse than useless.
 
Touche, except, your droning diarrhea is even worse on everyone else. Your shtick of doing exactly what you're accusing everyone else of doing is getting stale, and your new moniker isn't a few months old...

As for redeeming quality, you'll never have any as a human being. Really.
 
It's pretty obvious your mind lacks the capacity to process substance. To wit, you post in a car or news forum without ever exhibiting any knowledge of either, instead only mouthing off the kind of garbage on exhibit above. I've pointed this out numerous time which just makes you angry, which results in throwing a fit doing more of the only thing you know how. This doesn't solve the underlying problem that you 1. simply have nothing of value to contribute, 2. can't even recognize what value implies, 3. therefore similarly can't tell if anything else has value.

Of course worst of all you lack the basic self-aware to grasp what any of this means either, so you'll continue on creating more pollution oblivious to it all. Hard to imagine what this kind of person can do for work.
 
Stable value, too - you could probably buy one, drive it for a few years, and sell it without a depreciation hit.

the value overall for a viper is insane... esp the GenV ones. there are many in the 60-70 range with low miles and for a car of that caliber, it's an insane price

with that said, they are harder to sell then you may think (same goes with the r8). while they both hold value generally well after the initial hit from new, the market for them is small. so you have to be patient to get what you want. i was on the other end, so i was able to get the r8 and viper for very good deals because the seller was not patient
 
It's pretty obvious your mind lacks the capacity to process substance. To wit, you post in a car or news forum without ever exhibiting any knowledge of either, instead only mouthing off the kind of garbage on exhibit above. I've pointed this out numerous time which just makes you angry, which results in throwing a fit doing more of the only thing you know how. This doesn't solve the underlying problem that you 1. simply have nothing of value to contribute, 2. can't even recognize what value implies, 3. therefore similarly can't tell if anything else has value.

Of course worst of all you lack the basic self-aware to grasp what any of this means either, so you'll continue on creating more pollution oblivious to it all. Hard to imagine what this kind of person can do for work.
Having value is excrement, you only wish to be as useful. But, do continue being you.
 
All you ever do is repeat the things people observe about you back, as if that's how conversations work. Presumably you were taught the "i'm rubber you're glue" method of argument back in grade school, and mental development ceased at that point. Now you'll copy that down and parrot it back soon enough whether or not it makes any sense coming from you. I'm sure it always does in your head, just like most children before they learn what making sense means.
 
It takes a lot of skill to drive a car like this fast, which makes it a moot point for the overwhelming majority of owners.

I really don't think tires degrade that fast, and the problem isn't with absolute grip per se anyway. It's as mentioned the usually short wheelbase combine with ridiculous torque makes them very easy to power-on oversteer and swap ends in general, particularly without some sort of traction aid.

You would be surprised how fast tires degrade. In high performance applications like the Viper or motorcycle tires it is all about heat cycles and how many you put through the tires before they start to get hard. One track day could be enough to completely destroy a set of tires.
 
Sure, but the point was most vipers rarely if ever live up to their potential.

Also, high traction (or not) is itself misleading. Just as some of these incidents stem from drivers who didn't have the traction they did at some point in the past, many others are due to much less traction on one end when weight happens on the other and making a wrong move at that point. For example, 911's often have big tires on the back, but that doesn't stop them from coming around, with much less torque than a viper. Now some in the thread chalk that down to dummies who can't drive, which might be true enough, but notice just above you that dummies aren't exactly the sort to acknowledge their reality.
 
Hey Jules, did you know that cars mostly have four tires? And, some of them have engines, and some have engines AND batteries!!! But, the point of this is the earth revolves around the sun, because I know everything.
 
I was at Home Depot and saw a parked Dodge Viper hit a parked Yamaha R1.
....this just in...A Viper crashed into my backyard in California. I talked the driver, he rear ended a truck in Bethlehem, PA, and the next thing he knew, he ended up in CA.

Golly. Those Vipers are so hard to control. Much American, many torque, wow.
 
I was at Home Depot and saw a parked Dodge Viper hit a parked Yamaha R1.
....this just in...A Viper crashed into my backyard in California. I talked the driver, he rear ended a truck in Bethlehem, PA, and the next thing he knew, he ended up in CA.

Golly. Those Vipers are so hard to control. Much American, many torque, wow.

Despite needing to read this three times to get it, it is pretty funny. I'm taking my viper to Bethlehem cars and coffee this weekend coincidentally.
 
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