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Chris Harris drives the Dodge Viper ACR

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foghorn67 said:
I was at Home Depot and saw a parked Dodge Viper hit a parked Yamaha R1.
....this just in...A Viper crashed into my backyard in California. I talked the driver, he rear ended a truck in Bethlehem, PA, and the next thing he knew, he ended up in CA.

Golly. Those Vipers are so hard to control. Much American, many torque, wow.
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Ponder for a while which side of this argument the youtube stars above would be on, and consider if you're in good company.
 
agent00f said:
Ponder for a while which side of this argument the youtube stars above would be on, and consider if you're in good company.
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Ponder the fact I don't paper race and when I want something I go out and experience it.
I don't need YouTube for that.

You have no idea about the company I keep around me or the people that choose network with me.

Good luck living in your non existent, made up bubble.


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I did ponder your situation, and couldn't find much between it and aforementioned stars, which is why I said as much. Maybe you can help explain the difference.
 
It's been five years since the youtube Viper wars were over. Five years since the fastest american car was deemed too twitchy to exist anymore. For most people, this conclusion was obvious, and that was all.

The rest of us died with our dignity.
 
For insurance purposes it helps they're also driven rather rarely, I presume for good reason other than maintenance issues that typically plague exotics.
 
agent00f said:
For insurance purposes it helps they're also driven rather rarely, I presume for good reason other than maintenance issues that typically plague exotics.
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no maintenance issues here with either my R8 or Viper... only thing I've had to do is change the fluids like any other car. my cars aren't garage queens either, they are driven hard and driven often like they were meant to be

now if we were talking about the older gallardo/r8 with the egear/rtronic that is another story... one i would never put myself in. same with just about any ferrari.

but the direction VW/Audi/Lamborghini are going with the huracan/14+ r8 and so on; is the right way, with their wet dual clutch systems
 
darkswordsman17 said:
What is going on here? Why does every Viper thread turn into a shitshow of pedantic arguing?
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It's the car armchair quarterbacks love to hate. The viper is iconic. It's in your face. It's fast. It's loud. It's not perfect. It's is, and always will be, awesome. The sad part is that everyone already knows all this yet one agent armed with nothing more than a couple old issues of motor trend and an agenda can stir up trouble. The agitator wins this round. I doubt it will work on any of us again.
 
monkeydelmagico said:
It's the car armchair quarterbacks love to hate. The viper is iconic. It's in your face. It's fast. It's loud. It's not perfect. It's is, and always will be, awesome. The sad part is that everyone already knows all this yet one agent armed with nothing more than a couple old issues of motor trend and an agenda can stir up trouble. The agitator wins this round. I doubt it will work on any of us again.
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Personally I quite liked the viper, owners and wannabes seem rather insecure though.
 
What a weird thread. I've driven both an original GTS and a newer RT. I didn't have either "step out" on me unexpectedly while driving around the streets. You'd have to be an idiot to get it to slide out without trying. It can be a difficult car to drive at the limit, but driving it on the streets isn't dangerous... Wtf? Now my old 71 ford f100 with bump steer... That is quite a handful at the speed limit 🙂
 
Subyman said:
What a weird thread. I've driven both an original GTS and a newer RT. I didn't have either "step out" on me unexpectedly while driving around the streets. You'd have to be an idiot to get it to slide out without trying. It can be a difficult car to drive at the limit, but driving it on the streets isn't dangerous... Wtf? Now my old 71 ford f100 with bump steer... That is quite a handful at the speed limit 🙂
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Would you say the folks in the videos above were going "the limit"?

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I'll make this a little easier to grasp. Consider the second video of the viper locking up. Let's instead suppose it's one of the newer gen with ABS, vs a corolla or mustang or whatever w/ ABS. Both would probably stop in time, but let's imagine the wheel was bit askew when the driver panic brakes, hardly unheard of. Which would you think might handle this weight transfer less gracefully? You can similarly extrapolate this comparison to stepping on the gas with wheel bit askew, etc.
 
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agent00f said:
Would you say the folks in the videos above were going "the limit"?

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I'll make this a little easier to grasp. Consider the second video of the viper locking up. Let's instead suppose it's one of the newer gen with ABS, vs a corolla or mustang or whatever w/ ABS. Both would probably stop in time, but let's imagine the wheel was bit askew when the driver panic brakes, hardly unheard of. Which would you think might handle this weight transfer less gracefully? You can similarly extrapolate this comparison to stepping on the gas with wheel bit askew, etc.
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I don't really care man. I've driven both and didn't hammer down or do anything stupid and never felt like I was in danger. Blast into the throttle and you will spin out. Its common sense. Maybe for dummies that normally drive Civics and they have to go WOT to pass a bus it would be dangerous but for anyone with half a brain, its a fine car. Especially for those arguing about it on the internet who claim to be car enthusiasts, they should know better.
 
Seems rather harsh to revoke the enthusiast privileges of those fine folks post-hoc. Esp since they were hardly going that fast.

Frankly I don't think most car forum folks have driven much of anything at "the limit", because it's certainly a lot faster than most these type of incidents occur. According to these folks they must be a physical impossibility, or when that fails must be the result of the dumbest people on earth, when it appears there's a lot of common ground between these two groups.

In contrast a venn diagram between car enthusiasts vs. racers looks more like binoculars than a circle, and there's good reason why. Once you get serious enough about driving, the vehicle becomes a mere tool towards that end, and tools are less objects of emotional lust. The viper is actually a pretty good tool in that regard, which is also why they tend to collect a lot less miles than its peers.
 
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