Choose a sports car

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Please let me know where I can get a Veyron for $1m.

True, they have been inflated much beyond that from what I've heard.

Speaking of Veyron, have you heard of that special 1200hp Veyron in Dubai? Just guessing, but I think that would probably hit ~260mph at least. On Top Gear it seemed rock-stable at 253/254.

Pur Sang and Hermes

Actually it's the Pegaso 1200HP

Yeah you're right, I had the red/white in mind when I thought of Pur Sang for some reason...

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Please let me know where I can get a Veyron for $1m.

True, they have been inflated much beyond that from what I've heard.

Speaking of Veyron, have you heard of that special 1200hp Veyron in Dubai? Just guessing, but I think that would probably hit ~260mph at least. On Top Gear it seemed rock-stable at 253/254.

Pur Sang and Hermes

the pur sang is just gorgeous :heart:

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Insurance is killer. But I have it pretty good because my dad is a driving instructor for A-Z license here in Ontario and has signing authority. He pays 54 dollars a month for his Toyota Camry and my Lexus is on his insurance and I pay around 130 ish full coverage. Also we both have clean driving records accident free.

Still I did not mean to step on anyones toes. Obviously financial planning for the future should be considered, I was just simply saying these cars are realistic to buy if your budgets are planned right. It's not like you see someone driving an M3 and saying "whoa that guy must be super rich". I know alot of people driving nice cars that are regular middle class.

Ontario may have cheaper insurance. Here in Texas, we have tons of illegals driving uninsured vehicles, thus full coverage costs $$$$$ for the people who actually pay, due to the high risk of getting hit by an uninsured motorist and hit and runs by those same folks.

In Dallas, getting insured at 23 for a 500hp Mustang, with full coverage would just plain be rape. The insurance is literally more than the car payment on a $40k car (!!!!). Nuts I tell ya.

Given any thought to a custom E46 M3 or maybe a hot C5 Vette? The C5 Z06 can be found pretty affordably, and they make insane power when you do a couple odds and ends. ~800hp isn't uncommon with a roots kit and decent fuel delivery/exhaust.

http://www.corvettegarage.com/...-and-z06-corvette.html

Can be done cheaper, but that kit comes with a warranty and ECU/Fuel/Spark control optimization. A Z06 with a roots will eat any stock C6 for lunch, and taken to a good enough build, will probably give ZR1 performance levels. Of course, to get that far (~high 9s, low 10s), you'll need to do a bit of additional work with the suspension, tranny, rear end, etc. Get on a good Vette enthusiast forum and you'll find everything you'll need.

You realize that your little used built C5 Z06 can be faster than a $1m Veyron (10.3 1/4), with the right setup? Fun stuff.

Here insurance is not that bad, unless you have a driving record. Even 1 measily speeding ticket will destroy you if you are below 25 and driving a sports car, any car for that matter. I have a friend who is 23 like me, and pay 550 bucks a month for his 1999 VW Jetta VR6, only because he has numerous speeding tickets. I am lucky since my record is clean and my car is on my pops insurance which is squeaky clean not to mention low. I also think I get away with alot of things when driving simply because when the cops punch in my license plate, it shows them that this car is registared to a license officer in Ontario, and maybe they let it slide, who knows.

Hey dallas may be bad but at least its not like thailand or those other places where you get demolished just as a pedastrain and hit and run is the normal thing to do because you don't want to be late for work.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Insurance is killer. But I have it pretty good because my dad is a driving instructor for A-Z license here in Ontario and has signing authority. He pays 54 dollars a month for his Toyota Camry and my Lexus is on his insurance and I pay around 130 ish full coverage. Also we both have clean driving records accident free.

Still I did not mean to step on anyones toes. Obviously financial planning for the future should be considered, I was just simply saying these cars are realistic to buy if your budgets are planned right. It's not like you see someone driving an M3 and saying "whoa that guy must be super rich". I know alot of people driving nice cars that are regular middle class.

Ontario may have cheaper insurance. Here in Texas, we have tons of illegals driving uninsured vehicles, thus full coverage costs $$$$$ for the people who actually pay, due to the high risk of getting hit by an uninsured motorist and hit and runs by those same folks.

In Dallas, getting insured at 23 for a 500hp Mustang, with full coverage would just plain be rape. The insurance is literally more than the car payment on a $40k car (!!!!). Nuts I tell ya.

Given any thought to a custom E46 M3 or maybe a hot C5 Vette? The C5 Z06 can be found pretty affordably, and they make insane power when you do a couple odds and ends. ~800hp isn't uncommon with a roots kit and decent fuel delivery/exhaust.

http://www.corvettegarage.com/...-and-z06-corvette.html

Can be done cheaper, but that kit comes with a warranty and ECU/Fuel/Spark control optimization. A Z06 with a roots will eat any stock C6 for lunch, and taken to a good enough build, will probably give ZR1 performance levels. Of course, to get that far (~high 9s, low 10s), you'll need to do a bit of additional work with the suspension, tranny, rear end, etc. Get on a good Vette enthusiast forum and you'll find everything you'll need.

You realize that your little used built C5 Z06 can be faster than a $1m Veyron (10.3 1/4), with the right setup? Fun stuff.

Here insurance is not that bad, unless you have a driving record. Even 1 measily speeding ticket will destroy you if you are below 25 and driving a sports car, any car for that matter. I have a friend who is 23 like me, and pay 550 bucks a month for his 1999 VW Jetta VR6, only because he has numerous speeding tickets. I am lucky since my record is clean and my car is on my pops insurance which is squeaky clean not to mention low. I also think I get away with alot of things when driving simply because when the cops punch in my license plate, it shows them that this car is registared to a license officer in Ontario, and maybe they let it slide, who knows.

Hey dallas may be bad but at least its not like thailand or those other places where you get demolished just as a pedastrain and hit and run is the normal thing to do because you don't want to be late for work.

Your immaturity is astounding.

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: DVad3r

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DVad3r
Insurance is killer. But I have it pretty good because my dad is a driving instructor for A-Z license here in Ontario and has signing authority. He pays 54 dollars a month for his Toyota Camry and my Lexus is on his insurance and I pay around 130 ish full coverage. Also we both have clean driving records accident free.

Still I did not mean to step on anyones toes. Obviously financial planning for the future should be considered, I was just simply saying these cars are realistic to buy if your budgets are planned right. It's not like you see someone driving an M3 and saying "whoa that guy must be super rich". I know alot of people driving nice cars that are regular middle class.

Ontario may have cheaper insurance. Here in Texas, we have tons of illegals driving uninsured vehicles, thus full coverage costs $$$$$ for the people who actually pay, due to the high risk of getting hit by an uninsured motorist and hit and runs by those same folks.

In Dallas, getting insured at 23 for a 500hp Mustang, with full coverage would just plain be rape. The insurance is literally more than the car payment on a $40k car (!!!!). Nuts I tell ya.

Given any thought to a custom E46 M3 or maybe a hot C5 Vette? The C5 Z06 can be found pretty affordably, and they make insane power when you do a couple odds and ends. ~800hp isn't uncommon with a roots kit and decent fuel delivery/exhaust.

http://www.corvettegarage.com/...-and-z06-corvette.html

Can be done cheaper, but that kit comes with a warranty and ECU/Fuel/Spark control optimization. A Z06 with a roots will eat any stock C6 for lunch, and taken to a good enough build, will probably give ZR1 performance levels. Of course, to get that far (~high 9s, low 10s), you'll need to do a bit of additional work with the suspension, tranny, rear end, etc. Get on a good Vette enthusiast forum and you'll find everything you'll need.

You realize that your little used built C5 Z06 can be faster than a $1m Veyron (10.3 1/4), with the right setup? Fun stuff.

Here insurance is not that bad, unless you have a driving record. Even 1 measily speeding ticket will destroy you if you are below 25 and driving a sports car, any car for that matter. I have a friend who is 23 like me, and pay 550 bucks a month for his 1999 VW Jetta VR6, only because he has numerous speeding tickets. I am lucky since my record is clean and my car is on my pops insurance which is squeaky clean not to mention low. I also think I get away with alot of things when driving simply because when the cops punch in my license plate, it shows them that this car is registared to a license officer in Ontario, and maybe they let it slide, who knows.

Hey dallas may be bad but at least its not like thailand or those other places where you get demolished just as a pedastrain and hit and run is the normal thing to do because you don't want to be late for work.

Your immaturity is astounding.

Lol? Do you have an adultism complex of throwing out oppression?

 

[Arkaign]

Let's get this back on track.

You've got your budget, have you got your choices narrowed down, and checked on the insurance rates on them? Are you friendly to the idea of modding? Do you have any interest in AutoX, track days, and so on?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Let's get this back on track.

You've got your budget, have you got your choices narrowed down, and checked on the insurance rates on them? Are you friendly to the idea of modding? Do you have any interest in AutoX, track days, and so on?

He has at no point claimed to be looking to buy a car like this. What's the point?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Let's get this back on track.

You've got your budget, have you got your choices narrowed down, and checked on the insurance rates on them? Are you friendly to the idea of modding? Do you have any interest in AutoX, track days, and so on?

He has at no point claimed to be looking to buy a car like this. What's the point?

Well, it's certainly possible that he's just trolling or whatever, but in the interest of keeping the topic moving along, I just try to take most people at face value. Given his income ($2,500/mo stated), I don't think it's advisable for him to purchase any of the cars on his initial list, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't consider a great car anyway.

I also think it's pretty clear from the content of his posts that he's wanting to purchase something in the sports car vein in the near future.

But, this is the internets, maybe he's just messing with us

 

[DivideBYZero]

Well, he already has a 'Lexus' of some variety. Most of those have some kind of sporting edge, even if it is smothered in comfort and luxury.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Let's get this back on track.

You've got your budget, have you got your choices narrowed down, and checked on the insurance rates on them? Are you friendly to the idea of modding? Do you have any interest in AutoX, track days, and so on?

He has at no point claimed to be looking to buy a car like this. What's the point?

Well, it's certainly possible that he's just trolling or whatever, but in the interest of keeping the topic moving along, I just try to take most people at face value. Given his income ($2,500/mo stated), I don't think it's advisable for him to purchase any of the cars on his initial list, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't consider a great car anyway.

I also think it's pretty clear from the content of his posts that he's wanting to purchase something in the sports car vein in the near future.

But, this is the internets, maybe he's just messing with us

I'm pretty sure rickrolling at least for a while in OT was a vacationable offense.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Let's get this back on track.

You've got your budget, have you got your choices narrowed down, and checked on the insurance rates on them? Are you friendly to the idea of modding? Do you have any interest in AutoX, track days, and so on?

He has at no point claimed to be looking to buy a car like this. What's the point?

Well, it's certainly possible that he's just trolling or whatever, but in the interest of keeping the topic moving along, I just try to take most people at face value. Given his income ($2,500/mo stated), I don't think it's advisable for him to purchase any of the cars on his initial list, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't consider a great car anyway.

I also think it's pretty clear from the content of his posts that he's wanting to purchase something in the sports car vein in the near future.

But, this is the internets, maybe he's just messing with us

I'm pretty sure rickrolling at least for a while in OT was a vacationable offense.

lol yeah hopefully in my context it isn't considered rickrolling :laugh:

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph
ISF, I'm sure someone wil chime in about how the quad exhausts are fake and it's automatic only and it's overpriced compared to the elite german M3 and everything but I like it. It's got 100ms shifts, which rival and beat the quickest DSGs

Where'd you hear that?

http://www.autozine.org/html/Toyota/IS.html

IS-F gets an 8-speed automatic box from the LS, and its shift program has been quickened to take only 100 ms, simply the fastest in the automatic world.

Not that part; I'm talking about "rivaling and beating the quickest DSGs".

It's pretty common knowledge most Clutchless manuals shift in the 150-250ms range, I've read that evrywhere from Road & Track to Edmunds

http://www.autozine.org/techni...x/tech_gear_manual.htm
BMW SMG II (M3 E46)
80 ms
Ferrari F1 (Maserati 4200GT)
80 ms
Ferrari F1 (360 F1)
150 ms
Ferrari F1 (Enzo)
150 ms
Bugatti Veyron
200 ms
Ferrari F1 (575M)
220 ms
BMW SMG (M3 E36)
220 ms
Aston Martin Vanquish
250 ms
BMW SSG (3-series)
250ms (150ms for 1st to 2nd)
Alfa Selespeed (156 Selespeed) (old)
700 ms

You didn't say clutchless manual (all trannies have clutches, btw); you specifically said DSG. Why don't you look up DSGs and tell me how fast they shift?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph
ISF, I'm sure someone wil chime in about how the quad exhausts are fake and it's automatic only and it's overpriced compared to the elite german M3 and everything but I like it. It's got 100ms shifts, which rival and beat the quickest DSGs

Where'd you hear that?

http://www.autozine.org/html/Toyota/IS.html

IS-F gets an 8-speed automatic box from the LS, and its shift program has been quickened to take only 100 ms, simply the fastest in the automatic world.

Not that part; I'm talking about "rivaling and beating the quickest DSGs".

It's pretty common knowledge most Clutchless manuals shift in the 150-250ms range, I've read that evrywhere from Road & Track to Edmunds

http://www.autozine.org/techni...x/tech_gear_manual.htm
BMW SMG II (M3 E46)
80 ms
Ferrari F1 (Maserati 4200GT)
80 ms
Ferrari F1 (360 F1)
150 ms
Ferrari F1 (Enzo)
150 ms
Bugatti Veyron
200 ms
Ferrari F1 (575M)
220 ms
BMW SMG (M3 E36)
220 ms
Aston Martin Vanquish
250 ms
BMW SSG (3-series)
250ms (150ms for 1st to 2nd)
Alfa Selespeed (156 Selespeed) (old)
700 ms

You didn't say clutchless manual (all trannies have clutches, btw); you specifically said DSG. Why don't you look up DSGs and tell me how fast they shift?

No need to get all uppity, but DSGs and the clutchless manuals are comparable, DSGs will take 8-400ms depending on which gear you're trying to shift into.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph
ISF, I'm sure someone wil chime in about how the quad exhausts are fake and it's automatic only and it's overpriced compared to the elite german M3 and everything but I like it. It's got 100ms shifts, which rival and beat the quickest DSGs

Where'd you hear that?

http://www.autozine.org/html/Toyota/IS.html

IS-F gets an 8-speed automatic box from the LS, and its shift program has been quickened to take only 100 ms, simply the fastest in the automatic world.

Not that part; I'm talking about "rivaling and beating the quickest DSGs".

It's pretty common knowledge most Clutchless manuals shift in the 150-250ms range, I've read that evrywhere from Road & Track to Edmunds

http://www.autozine.org/techni...x/tech_gear_manual.htm
BMW SMG II (M3 E46)
80 ms
Ferrari F1 (Maserati 4200GT)
80 ms
Ferrari F1 (360 F1)
150 ms
Ferrari F1 (Enzo)
150 ms
Bugatti Veyron
200 ms
Ferrari F1 (575M)
220 ms
BMW SMG (M3 E36)
220 ms
Aston Martin Vanquish
250 ms
BMW SSG (3-series)
250ms (150ms for 1st to 2nd)
Alfa Selespeed (156 Selespeed) (old)
700 ms

You didn't say clutchless manual (all trannies have clutches, btw); you specifically said DSG. Why don't you look up DSGs and tell me how fast they shift?

No need to get all uppity, but DSGs and the clutchless manuals are comparable, DSGs will take 8-400ms depending on which gear you're trying to shift into.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

What are you talking about? Where are you finding 400ms?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mwmorph

No need to get all uppity, but DSGs and the clutchless manuals are comparable, DSGs will take 8-400ms depending on which gear you're trying to shift into.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

What are you talking about? Where are you finding 400ms?

It was right in the linked source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

Disadvantages

* Lengthy shift time when shifting to a gear that the transmission did not anticipate (around 400ms, depending on the situation)

And really, what does it matter? All the technologies serve the same purpose, gaining time from shifting manually with more repeatability while not being as much fun. In the end, all of them come with various advantages and disadvantages and it's pretty much a wash.

 

[Howard]

You're right, I suppose, but that's from 6th to 2nd. I don't think that should even count.

 

[bigal40]

Originally posted by: 996GT2
Nissan GT-R or 911 Carrera S (more practical than a GT3). Both docile enough to be daily drivers, but with ample performance reserves when needed.

I think a new carrera s is above the price range, but if we're considering used car prices, I'd also go with a used carrera s or 911 turbo if it was cheap enough.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

I just want to chime in quickly on the insurance thing. $500-$600 is insanity. I'm 22 with 2002 Z06. It's all in my name - title, insurance, etc. My insurance is $56/month full coverage. You read that right, $56. The only other thing I have on there is my truck, so I get a multi vehicle discount.

I'm 22 (as of the 7th), and have insurance on my name only. My rates DROPPED when I went off my parents. Clean record and good credit go a long way on this. Trust me, I was definitely surprised when I got that quote as well. I was only 21 when I got the car and got my insurance all set up. I'm with AAA. I just wanted to bring that up because even if you take the multi-vehicle discount off, I doubt it would be in the $500-$600 range.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
I just want to chime in quickly on the insurance thing. $500-$600 is insanity. I'm 22 with 2002 Z06. It's all in my name - title, insurance, etc. My insurance is $56/month full coverage. You read that right, $56. The only other thing I have on there is my truck, so I get a multi vehicle discount.

I'm 22 (as of the 7th), and have insurance on my name only. My rates DROPPED when I went off my parents. Clean record and good credit go a long way on this. Trust me, I was definitely surprised when I got that quote as well. I was only 21 when I got the car and got my insurance all set up. I'm with AAA. I just wanted to bring that up because even if you take the multi-vehicle discount off, I doubt it would be in the $500-$600 range.

22 with a Z06 and you have $56/mo full coverage? I call BS.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

I knew someone would. I could scan the forms and post them up, but you probably wouldn't believe it was actually mine. Seriously, my jaw dropped when I heard those prices as well. You already don't believe, but I actually got better (100K/300K/100K) coverage when I moved to my own name as well. To be fair, my 93 Silverado is on just liability, and is $53/month. The Vette is full coverage, but listed as a "pleasure vehicle" - not the main driver.

You can call BS all you want. There probably isn't much I could do to make you believe me.

EDIT: Coverage prices - looked up the quote. *$500 Deductible*

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
I knew someone would. I could scan the forms and post them up, but you probably wouldn't believe it was actually mine. Seriously, my jaw dropped when I heard those prices as well. You already don't believe, but I actually got better (100K/300K/100K) coverage when I moved to my own name as well. To be fair, my 93 Silverado is on just liability, and is $53/month. The Vette is full coverage, but listed as a "pleasure vehicle" - not the main driver.

You can call BS all you want. There probably isn't much I could do to make you believe me.

EDIT: Coverage prices - looked up the quote. *$500 Deductible*

Well, I can believe that you might have the paperwork that says superficially that you do. But I think it's an obvious clerical error on the part of the insurance company.

I don't know of any state that has an insurance classification of 'pleasure vehicle'.

The cost of insuring a $50k+ vehicle for full coverage is expensive even for a 50yo female with a perfect driving record. The added classifications of :

sports car
rare extreme performance model
22yo
male

Would kill you if it wasn't an error. Seriously, just go out and get some online quotes from Geico and the like. If you can find a single site on the internet that will quote under $100 for full coverage on a Z06, I'll eat my hat. Further, for a male under 25, you'd be hellishly lucky to find full coverage under $500/mo.

 

[Azelrok]

SnipeMasterJ13 should list what state he lives in. That could explain his super incredibly low insurance. If he lives in an extremely low population density then I would not have any problem believing is rate.

On the other hand, if he lives in, such a state as Jersey, I would definitely call BS. I have a flawless driving record and still pay more insurance for basic coverage with a lower model car. Thats even comparing rates to 6 different insurance companies. (AAA, geico, allstate, mercury, local insurance, GE)

Even friends who live in South Carolina and are in the military do get anything close to snipemaster rates.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Perhaps. I highly doubt its a clerical error. I had full coverage on my 2000 Trans Am WS6 through the same company. That was $46/month full coverage. I have both actual bills in front of me, and what the policy entails. So for them to quote me, multiple times in that range I'd like to believe that it is not an error on their part. I did do the online quote thing, and initially AAA was slightly over 100. The multi-vehicle discount brought it way down.

I looked at the Vette policy and both vehicles are listed at "Pleasure Use" because I drive both. It may be the same thing as a "Weekend Car" or some sort of limit where you can only drive X amount of miles per year. As for the cost of the car, it is only at roughly 30K at the current time, not $50K - it's a six year old car.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Azelrok
SnipeMasterJ13 should list what state he lives in. That could explain his super incredibly low insurance. If he lives in an extremely low population density then I would not have any problem believing is rate.

On the other hand, if he lives in, such a state as Jersey, I would definitely call BS. I have a flawless driving record and still pay more insurance for basic coverage with a lower model car. Thats even comparing rates to 6 different insurance companies. (AAA, geico, allstate, mercury, local insurance, GE)

Even friends who live in South Carolina and are in the military do get anything close to snipemaster rates.

I have a friend in his late 30s, USAF, and he lives in West Texas (super low population density), and his late-'90s Wrangler costs him nearly $200/mo full coverage. He has a clean driving record.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

My state - Minnesota. An online quote will only prove that I can surely get under $500. They will still be high until they can get my social security #, driver's license ID, etc. That, and I'll have them harassing me for the next few months trying to get me to switch.

I'm in Wright county, which is fairly low population. I'm about 30 miles NW of Minneapolis.

And a correction on the price I pay. I looked up the 6 month premium, and it is $345.60, which is $57.60. My 93 truck is $52.60 a month - but the truck is only liability.