[chiphell] nVidia busted for viral marketing the kepler?

[VulgarDisplay]

So the 7970 isn't an efficient card now? I myself am impressed with the idle power consumption and full load consumption when compared to the performance.

 

[bononos]

So the 7970 isn't an efficient card now? I myself am impressed with the idle power consumption and full load consumption when compared to the performance.

Disregarding full load efficiency for the moment, why is the idle power consumption even discussed? Do people get 8 core cpus or high gaming cards to run at idle most of the time?

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

What's with the people here? Almost every AMD release even if great has to be overshadowed by unjustified criticism and bias against them.

If Nvidia release a single gpu card that broke 1GHz and was extremely OCable at reasonable power consumption and 30% more perf than the prev single gpu flagship and still even, priced it $600+ people here would hail it as the second coming of the messiah. And AMD bashing would still ensue.

 

[podspi]

Disregarding full load efficiency for the moment, why is the idle power consumption even discussed? Do people get 8 core cpus or high gaming cards to run at idle most of the time?

Because most home workloads are bursty. When you're browsing on AT, most of the time all components are idle. Why waste power during those times?

 

[96Firebird]

What's with the people here? Almost every AMD release even if great has to be overshadowed by unjustified criticism and bias against them.

Read the thread title, and tell me how this is "unjustified criticism and bias" against AMD...

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Read the thread title, and tell me how this is "unjustified criticism and bias" against AMD...

This thread and forum in general have been nothing but dismissal of the pros of the 7970 on the basis of insignificant details (the prev page posts). Why is Nvidia spared the criticism of late release/exorbitant prices/spreading of false info for market manipulation/anemic launches but AMD piloried for the above?

 

[Soleron]

Because most home workloads are bursty. When you're browsing on AT, most of the time all components are idle. Why waste power during those times?

If anything, idle power/noise is more important because you're not going to care about it while gaming. But at other times you want the computer to be quiet.

 

[96Firebird]

This thread and forum in general have been nothing but dismissal of the pros of the 7970 on the basis of insignificant details (the prev page posts). Why is Nvidia spared the criticism of late release/exorbitant prices/spreading of false info for market manipulation/anemic launches but AMD piloried for the above?

I'm not sure if you have been around the forums recently, I will give you time to read a few threads and see if you feel the same way...

And people aren't allowed to be disappointed with the 7970's performance? To you, that means everyone is attacking AMD?

 

[Phynaz]

Disregarding full load efficiency for the moment, why is the idle power consumption even discussed? Do people get 8 core cpus or high gaming cards to run at idle most of the time?

In my case, yes. It takes a lot to peg an i7. Most of the time that it is powered on it is sitting idle. Same with my video card.

 

[Dark Shroud]

And people aren't allowed to be disappointed with the 7970's performance? To you, that means everyone is attacking AMD?

There is a difference between people wanting more power out of the 7970 and the thread craping that's been happening.

People complaining non stop about price, especially the hypocrites who are Nvidia fans and/or have expensive Nvidia cards.

On top of that people who want more power can get it with over clocking or OC models.

 

[sontin]

There is a difference between people wanting more power out of the 7970 and the thread craping that's been happening.

People complaining non stop about price, especially the hypocrites who are Nvidia fans and/or have expensive Nvidia cards.

On top of that people who want more power can get it with over clocking or OC models.

Do you talk about these guys who got the performance of the 7970 15 months ago? Or at the same price point 9 months ago? :\

It's not the price or the performance. The combination of booth is the problem.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Do you talk about these guys who got the performance of the 7970 15 months ago? Or at the same price point 9 months ago? :\

It's not the price or the performance. The combination of booth is the problem.

Did they?

With a single GPU, consuming less power and able to run 3xdisplay resolutions?

I guess by that basis one could say people buying a 5870 got GTX580 and 7970 24 months ago for a lower price.

 

[Grooveriding]

Do you talk about these guys who got the performance of the 7970 15 months ago? Or at the same price point 9 months ago? :\

It's not the price or the performance. The combination of booth is the problem.

No one anywhere had 7970 performance from a single gpu until they had a 7970. What are you on about ?

 

[sontin]

No one anywhere had 7970 performance from a single gpu until they had a 7970. What are you on about ?

Yes, because the 28nm process is only available today and not 2010.
Funny that normal progress in this business is pushed to something special.

Think about it: Is the price increasement not in the line with the performance improvement you think this is great for the customer?

But i guess it's okay for you that AMD will sell 6950 performance for a 6970 price, because "No one anywhere had 7970 performance from a single gpu until they had a 7970".

 

[GaiaHunter]

The 7970 is an expensive card. Its price performance isn't great.

I don't understand the need for people to use mathematical (or otherwise) metrics with no value whatsoever to bash the 7970, unless if it is because on every other metric the 7970 is a great card, with the exception of price and price/performance (metrics that are easy to change).

If it was so simple as "there was no 28nm before" NVIDIA would have also released 28nm products.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Yes, because the 28nm process is only available today and not 2010.
Funny that normal progress in this business is pushed to something special.

Think about it: Is the price increasement not in the line with the performance improvement you think this is great for the customer?

But i guess it's okay for you that AMD will sell 6950 performance for a 6970 price, because "No one anywhere had 7970 performance from a single gpu until they had a 7970".

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

The 7970 is an expensive card. Its price performance isn't great.

The price of precedence. Also, should the overall performance difference between the 2500K and the 3960X equate with the price difference? It is analogous to the graph of x^2. The top part's price is boosted by its status as the best available.

I don't understand the need for people to use mathematical (or otherwise) metrics with no value whatsoever to bash the 7970, unless if it is because on every other metric the 7970 is a great card, with the exception of price and price/performance (metrics that are easy to change).

They've developed a pathological attachment to the company that developed the product their faultless and impeccable egos chose to invest in. These hypocrites cry foul at the 7970/6990 and they probably dont even have > 570.

 

[Will Robinson]

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/01/25/nvidia_accused_using_marketing_shills/

They will stop at nothing to discredit the HD7970.:thumbsdown:

 

[blackened23]

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/01/25/nvidia_accused_using_marketing_shills/

They will stop at nothing to discredit the HD7970.:thumbsdown:

reported at TPU as well http://www.techpowerup.com/159503/NVIDIA-Engaged-in-PsyOps-Against-HD-7970-Chinese-Forum.html

 

[boxleitnerb]

Just because someone reports it (i.e. copies the story) it makes it true?
Charlie was not "bamboozled", he denied this claim saying he has multiple industry sources. Also, how did chiphell "prove" anything? We don't know.

The user over there at hardforums put it in motion by making a poorly researched post.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yes, because the 28nm process is only available today and not 2010.
Funny that normal progress in this business is pushed to something special.

Think about it: Is the price increasement not in the line with the performance improvement you think this is great for the customer?

But i guess it's okay for you that AMD will sell 6950 performance for a 6970 price, because "No one anywhere had 7970 performance from a single gpu until they had a 7970".

Can't make any sense out of this.

 

[MangoX]

Can't make any sense out of this.

I read that like 5+ times trying to make sense and now I got a huge headache.

 

[3DVagabond]

The price of precedence. Also, should the overall performance difference between the 2500K and the 3960X equate with the price difference? It is analogous to the graph of x^2. The top part's price is boosted by its status as the best available.

Intel is given a bye on their pricing, for some reason. 2600K to 3930K ~ twice as good? 3930K to 3960K? Why even bother, never mind charging $400 more? All of those who want to see AMD or nVidia squash the other, look at Intel and think what you would get. What everyone here should want is a 3rd competitor. A duopoly is barely better than a monopoly.

 

[MrK6]

Intel is given a bye on their pricing, for some reason. 2600K to 3930K ~ twice as good? 3930K to 3960K? Why even bother, never mind charging $400 more? All of those who want to see AMD or nVidia squash the other, look at Intel and think what you would get. What everyone here should want is a 3rd competitor. A duopoly is barely better than a monopoly.

Unfortunately, fanboys don't see past the sticker. It's always a good idea to keep an eye on the big picture. For years now Intel has only been competing with itself. That's why every year they keep the same price points and roll out a new processor in them that has a few more features, a little higher IPC, a little higher frequency, the same TDP (or lower, thanks to 22nm), and that's it. Even now, the graphics market is much more competitive and people just don't realize how good that is for consumers.

 

[railven]

Unfortunately, fanboys don't see past the sticker. It's always a good idea to keep an eye on the big picture. For years now Intel has only been competing with itself. That's why every year they keep the same price points and roll out a new processor in them that has a few more features, a little higher IPC, a little higher frequency, the same TDP (or lower, thanks to 22nm), and that's it. Even now, the graphics market is much more competitive and people just don't realize how good that is for consumers.

But AMD is viral marketing over in the CPU thread. Look at how everyone in unison agrees that Bulldozer is the chip to get...oh wait.

I don't think I've ever seen a circle-jerk event here in this sub-forum. Even threads that are just based on overclocking and the reaches one can have with their shiny new toy turns into "FUD, you didn't pay X-amount, you paid X+Y+Z+Shipping+RMA+discount from AMD" non-sense.

Same goes for any pro-green thread. So either this place is full of Pro-AMD/Pro-nVidia shills or it's like any good sporting event - screaming fans rooting for their team.