[chiphell] nVidia busted for viral marketing the kepler?

[exar333]

Related to this topic, the top 10 to 20 threads are either discussions of AMD's high end chips or rumors about viral marketing. I guess there's nothing concrete worth discussing about nV's current or future product line ups right now.

Agreed. These be lean times.

Boring top-tier AMD products that are over-priced.
Stale NV line-up that has essentially remained unchanged for a few years.
More and more games that barely use the new GPU horsepower anyway.

 

[Madcatatlas]

Dude be careful speaking ill of Rollo. Rollo is a 'Focus Group Member' and friends with the other guys who are as well. He still by proxy could flex a little muscle (carefully and discretely of course), in this forum.

Anyone remotely connected to Nvidia knows Rollo and he knows them.
NV and Rollo are so tight, to this day- that I'd go as far to say NV is Rollo and vice versa.

Haha well put sir!

 

[Madcatatlas]

by Keysplayr:
Could be this is all just BS to try to draw focus away from this:
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewto...p?f=44&t=24247
It's time.

and then

Yeha, I'm sure a Chinese website posted something about NV viral marketing at 21:04 Chinese time (I assume the time on Chiphell is Chinese time, even if it's my local time it's still 6 hours before the ABT article - 08:04 EST if Chinese or 17:04 EST if my local time) because some non-Chinese website posted something about AMD viral marketing on the same day at 22:17 EST.

Which site is posting BS to try and draw away attention?

i pity the fool! /mohawk

Let's stick to the subject at hand (Chiphell), folks. ABT has their own thread.
-ViRGE

 

[Idontcare]

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[railven]

So then we have no idea where the new cards sit? Why can't nVidia just release specs or something concrete.

Why do I have to keep reading about shills. Then people ask me why I don't personally buy nVidia products.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Agreed. These be lean times.

Boring top-tier AMD products that are over-priced.
Stale NV line-up that has essentially remained unchanged for a few years.
More and more games that barely use the new GPU horsepower anyway.

So the 7970 is over priced but the stale lower performance 580 isn't?

 

[96Firebird]

So the 7970 is over priced but the stale lower performance 580 isn't?

WTF? I didn't see any mention of the 580 in that post...

 

[RampantAndroid]

So the 7970 is over priced but the stale lower performance 580 isn't?

The GTX580 is a last gen card. We've never seen (in recent times) last gen top cards drop in price that much. I mean, I remember the 5970 being $650 when it was already stale.

Also, the 7970 is only what, 15% faster than the 580 in most games? And in BF3 it's the same speed as the 580? Were I nVidia, I'd be underwhelmed too. They should still reply with Kepler, and soon because anyone buying top of the line TODAY has a simple choice, but it isn't overly surprising that nVidia's response is "meh."

If they have a 480 to 580 style improvement and nothing else, they already will be in good shape.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Wait... so where is the evidence?

 

[tviceman]

Charlie chimed in on the situation:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150130&postcount=371
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150135&postcount=374

TL;DR he says they're blatantly false, and his sources are accurate.

 

[railven]

Charlie chimed in on the situation:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150130&postcount=371
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150135&postcount=374

TL;DR he says they're blatantly false, and his sources are accurate.

Hey welcome back


But to the topic, do we now trust Charlie now? Or is it just because now he's saying pro-green stuff? This flip-flopping on who is a reliable source gets tiresome.

Bring the cards nVidia!

 

[blackened23]

Charlie chimed in on the situation:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150130&postcount=371
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150135&postcount=374

TL;DR he says they're blatantly false, and his sources are accurate.

Oh neat. He says all the rumors originating from chiphell were false. And remains vague as usual.

So this is confirmation that all rumors that originated from chiphell (which is....95% of them) are false. Charlie said so himself. Thanks Tviceman.

There you have it foxnews. Charlie confirms that marketing shills at chiphell were false and posting BS. News at 11.

 

[lifeblood]

But to the topic, do we now trust Charlie now? Or is it just because now he's saying pro-green stuff? This flip-flopping on who is a reliable source gets tiresome.

Charlie is as reliable today as he was a few months ago, which is not very reliable at all. I'm surprised at all the ruckus he's caused from this recent series of posts.

BTW, what did Charlie actually say? I thought he said the GK104 midrange card would beat the 7950 while costing only $299. I've reread his articles and can't find that. I found where NV cards beat AMD card in "most every metric", but that isn't the same. Is the now banned poster on Chiphell the source of that particular rumor?

Sorry, all these rumors have got me confused.

 

[Lonyo]

Hey welcome back


But to the topic, do we now trust Charlie now? Or is it just because now he's saying pro-green stuff? This flip-flopping on who is a reliable source gets tiresome.

Bring the cards nVidia!

Hey, things can change in 2 months!
Just because he was "a sucky unreliable source of information" (tviceman's words, not mine) 2 months ago doesn't mean he is now.

 

[blastingcap]

Never mind. Delete.

 

[tviceman]

Oh neat. He says all the rumors originating from chiphell were false. And remains vague as usual.

So this is confirmation that all rumors that originated from chiphell (which is....95% of them) are false. Charlie said so himself. Thanks Tviceman.

There you have it foxnews. Charlie confirms that marketing shills at chiphell were false and posting BS. News at 11.

Right now neither one has proof of anything.

 

[tviceman]

Hey, things can change in 2 months!
Just because he was "a sucky unreliable source of information" (tviceman's words, not mine) 2 months ago doesn't mean he is now.

I never said he wasn't! I just passed along what he said.

 

[Mopetar]

BTW, what did Charlie actually say? I thought he said the GK104 midrange card would beat the 7950 while costing only $299. I've reread his articles and can't find that. I found where NV cards beat AMD card in "most every metric", but that isn't the same.

My understanding is that nVidia has the more efficient/effective architecture so theoretically they should be able to beat whatever AMD puts out.

There are a lot of other factors involved. For example we know that the 7970 OCs extremely well. nVidia could be much more aggressive with their stock clock settings and close the performance gap between GK104 and AMDs offerings, but that just means there's less OC headroom.

 

[lifeblood]

My understanding is that nVidia has the more efficient/effective architecture so theoretically they should be able to beat whatever AMD puts out.

That's my impression of what he said as well, and I can believe that. NV has more experience at a compute architecture while this is AMDs first try. Of course, AMD will continue to compete on price which is fine with me. The top end prices are getting silly again.

 

[Dark Shroud]

WTF? I didn't see any mention of the 580 in that post...

I was refering to this point:

Stale NV line-up that has essentially remained unchanged for a few years.

Which he said after stating that AMD's new flagship card is over priced.

Had he said expensive instead of over priced about the 7970 I would have agreed. Had he made a comment about Nvidia being expensive or over priced I would have agreed.

I'm just tired of people complaining about AMD's MSRP price of the 7970 while Nvidia essentially gets a pass.

 

[Dark Shroud]

The GTX580 is a last gen card. We've never seen (in recent times) last gen top cards drop in price that much. I mean, I remember the 5970 being $650 when it was already stale.

The last run of 5970 that Newegg ran were priced at $500 then they dropped down to $329 weeks later to clear the last of them out.

I don't expect the 580 to ever drop below $400 just because of the cost of making the thing. The 3GB & special OC models have just now come down in price to match the 7970. The normal models priced at $500 are coming down $20 or offering $15 rebates.

Also, the 7970 is only what, 15% faster than the 580 in most games? And in BF3 it's the same speed as the 580?

That's simply not true. Hard OCP has found the 7970 to be 16% faster than a stock OCd GTX 580 while being more energy efficient.

http://hardocp.com/article/2011/12/22/amd_radeon_hd_7970_video_card_review/4

Were I nVidia, I'd be underwhelmed too. They should still reply with Kepler, and soon because anyone buying top of the line TODAY has a simple choice, but it isn't overly surprising that nVidia's response is "meh."

If they have a 480 to 580 style improvement and nothing else, they already will be in good shape.

Nvidia has made no response in regards to the 7970.

The stock OCd 7970s from the AIBs are all monsters. The duel 7970 card isn't even out yet. On top of all that AMD has plenty of design room for a respin by the time Kepler shows up.

 

[railven]

Hey, things can change in 2 months!
Just because he was "a sucky unreliable source of information" (tviceman's words, not mine) 2 months ago doesn't mean he is now.

It's getting to the point that I'll be buying more index cards.

I've always enjoyed reading Charlie's posts before I even know who he really was (mostly because he has a good sense of humor.) I can't say the same for FUDzilla. What ever happen to that other guy? Kitguru, where are his speculations?

 

[KCfromNC]

WTF? I didn't see any mention of the 580 in that post...

Stale NV line-up that has essentially remained unchanged for a few years.

It's right there ---^

Edit, never mind, already pointed out by other posters

 

[RampantAndroid]

That's simply not true. Hard OCP has found the 7970 to be 16% faster than a stock OCd GTX 580 while being more energy efficient.

http://hardocp.com/article/2011/12/22/amd_radeon_hd_7970_video_card_review/4

/facepalm

I'm off by 1% huh?

Also, who cares about hardOCP? Kyle acts like a little kid. So immature over there...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/22

Hmm.

 

[wahdangun]

My understanding is that nVidia has the more efficient/effective architecture so theoretically they should be able to beat whatever AMD puts out.

There are a lot of other factors involved. For example we know that the 7970 OCs extremely well. nVidia could be much more aggressive with their stock clock settings and close the performance gap between GK104 and AMDs offerings, but that just means there's less OC headroom.

hmmm i don't know a more power hungry card was more efficient card ?? :hmm: