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Chinese workers live where they work and work 15 hour shifts.

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A large part of it is because the yuan is pegged to the US dollar, as intended per the Chinese govt. Most currencies fluctuate against each other.

Another reason is as someone else said, you've got rising millionaires and billionaires who are all in it for the profit. They
re greedy and selfish people (just like everyone else in the world), and although Americans are known to be selfish, at least we have minimum wage laws and other labor regulations (like working hours, working pay, safety standards), even as pathetic as some of them are.


I love hearing these stories and with China's huge growth...how long can they sustain huge growth + slave labor? Can't have it both ways
 
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There are a lot of important points that aren't explicitly stated.

For the guy who asks "why don't they just quit and go to school" shows how ignorant americans are. Schooling is expensive. Poor people in rural areas can't afford that.

Also, most of these factory slave workers, both girls and men, are almost always poor people from rural areas who migrate to the cities to look for work. For these uneducated, there really is no other work other than these types of factories, and sometimes, they're LUCKY if they can find a job like this, as shitty as it is.




They are free to quit whenever they want. They won't do that however, they want the money.
 
what, you guys think those $30 dvd players make themselves?

i recently toured a relative's factory in the mainland and let me tell you, i couldnt even look at their cafeteria food.

life is tough
 
Clearly, we should not be trading with this country until they fix up their labor laws. Human rights trump cheap dvd players.
 
You have to bootstrap up somehow. How do you propose they do it?
The idea that suffering is a requirement for growth is just one of a string of stupid ideas implanted in people for one of two reasons:
- Made up by those afflicted, in order to rationalize suffering which has no end in sight.
- Made up by those benefiting from it in some way, in order to rationalize their infliction of suffering upon others.
 
OH NOES!!! THEM POOR CHINESE!!

Fuck you OP. Not having a job < Having one

Ive worked with people that have three jobs and work 16 hour days 6 days a week and are thankful for it!
 
burnitdown said:
Clearly, we should not be trading with this country until they fix up their labor laws. Human rights trump cheap dvd players.
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Yes! Lets all stop trading with China. Then, all these women will be free of these harsh conditions. They can go back to their farms and work 20 hours a day for 1/10th of what they can make with a factory job.🙄
 
i visted China and toured those factories. First let me say that the workers that I talked to considered themselves lucky. They said that some moved from the country where it's hard farming and little to no work.

As I asked questions I felt sorry for them (compared to American living) but relative to China it wasn't that bad.

That picture looks just the same as one of the factories I toured. We were looking down at the workers from the 2nd level instead of floor level. We could see guys on one side of the factory and girls on the other. The tour guide said it helped prevent potential pregnancies that would slow down the work because they wouldn't be able to come in. So they keep them seperate to avoid relationships that would lead toward that.

They had a model in one of the rooms of their campus housing. The tour guide was proud that they provided rooms for their employee's to live on campus. I asked how many to a room and he said 6.

I asked him how much they made and he said between 4-6k a year. It sounds pretty poor however when you consider the alternatives and the living expenses its not that bad. A nice aparment in the same city was $50 a month.
 
Yes! Lets all stop trading with China. Then, all these women will be free of these harsh conditions. They can go back to their farms and work 20 hours a day for 1/10th of what they can make with a factory job.🙄

Or, maybe China would find out they are pretty fvcked and change things around so that they can get that gravy train back.
 
Maybe if the US government didn't price the US worker out of the manufacturing market jobs would be in the USA and work conditions wouldn't be so shitty.
 
I rather pay more knowing my product comes locally. As in, North America... even though I'm Canadian I rather buy a US made product,then China, of course if it's made in Canada then even better.

Heck, 10 years ago, a motherboard for example was around 500 bucks. Now you can get one for 100-200 bucks. We are spoiled by being able to buy electronics so cheap. This is because of slavery. I would rather pay more knowing I am not supporting slavery, but that I am supporting a local economy. I think over time it would get cheaper regardless due to mass production and local competition.



glad you're not in charge no one would have computers, fuc paying 500$ fora motherboard and 1000$ fora gfx card, also you say "That's not enough money to pay for gas to get there, let alone live. They are basically slaves. "

but in title it says they live where they work and most them have bikes so there is no GAS and living expenses, thats why they make so little the factory provides shelter and on site living accommodation hehe, i buy china goods all the time (just not cars mine come from japan)
 
http://www.fastcompany.com/1617116/microsoft-chinese-suppliers-ncl-kernaghan-kye?partner=rss

Microsoft Responds to Abusive Labor Conditions at Chinese Manufacturer

BY Addy DugdaleThu Apr 15, 2010


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Following reports of abusive labor conditions at KYE by the National Labor Committee, the factory in China that manufactures Microsoft's Basic Optical Mouse -- and a variety of other products for other companies -- Brian Tobey, Microsoft's Corporate Vice President, Manufacturing and Operations, Entertainment and Devices, has posted the following response on the Official Microsoft Blog:
As a company that sells a wide range of hardware and devices, we take very seriously our corporate responsibility to ensure that the manufacturing facilities and supply chain operations that we use comply with all relevant labor and safety requirements and ensure fair treatment of workers. We have rigorous standards in place, and have established a robust supplier Social and Environmental Accountability (SEA) program.
We were therefore very concerned when we saw a report by the National Labor Committee (NLC) alleging that conditions at a factory operated by KYE in Dongguan, China, were adversely impacting workers. KYE assembles and packages hardware products for Microsoft and a wide range of other companies.
As a result of this report, we have a team of independent auditors en route to the facility to conduct a complete and thorough investigation. If we find that the factory is not adhering to our standards, we will take appropriate action.
We should note that as part of Microsoft’s ongoing supplier SEA program, an independent auditor has been inspecting the KYE factory annually. In addition, Microsoft personnel conduct quarterly on-site assessments, and receive weekly reports from KYE on key labor and safety criteria that we monitor as part of our supplier SEA program. Over the past two years, we have required documentation and verification of worker age, and no incidence of child labor has been detected. Worker overtime has been significantly reduced, and worker compensation is in line with the Electronic Industry Citizenship Coalition standards for the Dongguan area.
Despite these earlier findings, we take the allegations raised this week quite seriously. Another comprehensive on-site audit of the facility will be conducted next week, with a specific goal of investigating the allegations raised in the NLC report. In addition, we will have monitors on site pending the results of the inspection.
We will take all appropriate steps to ensure the fair treatment of the KYE workers.
There are several contradictions in Microsoft's statement. Firstly, if the corporation claimed that it had found no problems in KYE's factory conditions during independent annual inspections, then why did it feel the need to "significantly reduce" worker overtime? Kernaghan stated that overtime is not obligatory, but the $0.52-an-hour wage forces the plant's workers to work 80 hours-plus a week in order to make a decent living.
Microsoft says it relies, at least in part, on KYE to provide its labor and safety reports on its own factories.
The annual inspection of the factory by an independent auditor failed to uncover the abuses catalogued by the NLC report. Did the inspector not do a good job, or did Microsoft ignore his findings? What actually was the auditor charged with looking for? That no one was suffering abuse, or that workers were not asleep or improperly assembling mouses during the long working hours?
Microsoft has used the KYE factory since 2003, however, it has only required proof of age of its workers for the past two years. What was the policy between 2003 and 2008? And whose task was it to collect the information? If it was up to the management at KYE, then why wouldn't they doctor the results, or leave out the details of the underage employees?
Microsoft claims that "worker compensation is in line with the Electronic Industry Citizenship Coalition standards for the Dongguan area." There are no such standards specifically for the Dangguan area. The Electronic Industry Citizen Coalition is a worldwide body with worldwide standards. It acknowledges local law but goes further. Here is its code of conduct. Point 3 states this:
Studies of business practices clearly link worker strain to reduced productivity, increased turnover and increased injury and illness. Work weeks are not to exceed the maximum set by local law. Further, a workweek, should not be more than 60 hours per week, including overtime, except in emergency or unusual situations. Workers shall be allowed at least one day off per seven day week.
According to the NLC report, workers at the KYE plant get three days off each month.
Point 5 of the EICC's code of conduct states this:
The Participant's disciplinary policies and procedures shall be clearly defined and communicated to workers. There is to be no harsh and inhumane treatment, including any sexual harassment, sexual abuse, corporal punishment, mental or physical coercion or verbal abuse of workers: nor is there to be the threat of any such treatment."
According to a first-person eyewitness cited in the NLC report:
"Every day we have to gather together after work and hear the foreman speak. There was one boy who joined the factory not too long ago who fled the work area; he decided that he didn't want to stay there one more minute. Our foreman discovers that he is gone and ruthlessly says: "watch me punish him later!"
Microsoft says that it will take "appropriate action" if its auditors discover unpalatable working conditions, but there is no mention of ceasing to use the KYE plant in Dongguan City. Microsoft is the third largest corporation in the world, so it surely has the resources to pull out of its contract with KYE, should it be found guilty of human rights abuses, something that Microsoft's SEA program must cover. However, the NLC does not want Microsoft to pull out of China and put people who need work out of their jobs.
Fast Company contacted Microsoft and requested a phone call to clarify some of the unanswered issues, but no one from Microsoft was directly available for further comment.
 
LOL, you all honestly didn't know this kind of shit was going on?

US citizens are so blissfully unaware of whats going on in the world we are an embarrassment.

<---Hums the French national anthem and moves on...
 
i would pay more for a product i knew wasn't made under conditions like these

Are you willing to pay more for coffee too?
http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/vernag/eh/f/cause/lectures/coffee_connection.htm

How about bananas?
http://www.womensenews.org/story/labor/061123/female-banana-packers-gain-grounding-in-rights

These are the first two foreign crops that popped into my head. I'm sure that you could find similar stories for lots of stuff the third world exports to the first world.

The bottom line is that the standard of living in a third world country is lower than the standard of living in a first world country. Why single out a single country or company?
 
no one deserves to have to work every waking moment of the day just to survive.

this must really blow the stereotypical rightwingers' minds. more 'free market capitalism' in a 'communist' country than in the US.

maybe we should send glen beck and his followers to china to get a better taste of freedom. damn these deplorable US regulations.

In the 1980's China had somewhere around 700 Million people living in extreme poverty. Before they made our cheap shit, they had to work every waking moment to survive. When humans were hunter gatherers, we had to work every moment to survive, and most of us failed to survive. The reason that developed countries don't have to work every moment to survive is our massive investment in capital, and the efficiencies it brings. Maybe you should look into the industrial revolution, the west had to suffer the same work to reach the point we have today. China is growing, but it has not reached our level of capital investment yet. Our trade with China is helping accelerate that. But, whether or not you like it, China cannot just go from a country in extreme poverty to a wealthy country, it has to grow to it.

Yup, we need to exploit those who are unfortunate.
I'm sorry but your logic is plain simple, one-sided, and stupid. Why do you have to compare extreme to extrme? Such extremist mentality is just silly at its best.
Try applying your logic into your own situation to realize how it doesn't make sense.


Anyway, the furture looks gloomy for such Chinese. There are way too many people who are in a shitty situation that they're willing to put up with this kind of nasty situation. Such insanly large surplus of people, in a way, forces them to victimize themselves.

700 million people made less than $1 a day in the 60s or 80s, I can't remember which off the top of my head. Today, the number is down to 230, and expected to be below 10 million before 2050. This is the single largest elimination of extreme poverty the world has seen. How did it happen, we offered people who made $1 a day: $7 dollars a day to work in a factory, gave them a bunk in a barracks, and food. The new definition of the word "exploit" is to offer someone 700% of their current wage, and improved living conditions. The future does not look gloomy for the chinese, do you have any idea how poor these people were before they were in the factories?

The idea that suffering is a requirement for growth is just one of a string of stupid ideas implanted in people for one of two reasons:
- Made up by those afflicted, in order to rationalize suffering which has no end in sight.
- Made up by those benefiting from it in some way, in order to rationalize their infliction of suffering upon others.

Suffering is not a requirement for growth, these people are experiencing less suffering than they were before they worked these jobs. Yes the job sucks, but the conditions they lived in before this were even worse. They are growing, but they don't get to skip from extreme poverty straight to middle class. Part of growing is that the progress is not instant, but must occur overtime.
 
It's the same amount of money. I think you mean 52 cents here versus 52 'fen' (penny equivalent) over there.

You're not getting this. 52c gets you a lot more for your money in China. Over there you can comfortably (and I do mean comfortably) live on $4/day. Now, it's true - these people are not making that much. 52c equates to about 3.5 yuan, which will buy a filling meal in China.
 
This. I know it sounds heartless, but really, what are their alternatives? I'm sure if they could find better employment, they wouldn't be working at a factory like this...

So because they are unable to find work elsewhere, it makes it ok for them to work in slave-like conditions, with no freedom to leave the compound, and unable to use the bathroom when needed?
 
I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Stuff like this has been going on for decades in China ever since civilized world outsourced all their production to China. If you want a better glimpse watch "Mardi Gras: Made in China" movie which details most of these practices. It's also bullcrap that Microsoft or other companies don't know about it. They do know about it and they bank on it because the harder they work those people the more money they make.

Actually perhaps it's no wonder that people are surprised by this. If they knew about it they'd realize that outsourcing production to China will eventually lead to either huge unemployment in US or similar working conditions because there is no way we can compete with that without lowering living standards to the same level.
 
So because they are unable to find work elsewhere, it makes it ok for them to work in slave-like conditions, with no freedom to leave the compound, and unable to use the bathroom when needed?
What do you propose, then? Labor regulations more inline with what we have in the West? If that happened, all these companies would pack up and find cheaper labor elsewhere. Then all these Chinese would be without a relatively decent paying job.

It sucks, but the reality is that living in a second or third world country is just kind of bad all around. As others have pointed out, I think it's all about perspective. What seems like a terrible job to us is probably far better than trying to eke out a living farming or whatever. I guess it just goes to show how lucky we are to live where we do. Apparently a lot of us can't even imagine how working a $0.52/hr, 15-hour-a-day job can be a step up in a country like China.
 
Before they made our cheap shit, they had to work every waking moment to survive. When humans were hunter gatherers, we had to work every moment to survive, and most of us failed to survive.

Somebody lied to you. Hunter Gatherer days required less work, civilizing and moving to agrarian culture demanded more from the individual.
 
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