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lyssword

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China: 200million middle class people, communist party members. Middle-class, modern lifestyle. 850million: poor people from villiages with no education,no money (because you have to pay for education in china and if you don't have money, like most people, you don't go to school), work for 13hrs a day 7 days /week for very low wages. Lots of cheap labor to construct buildings etc, construction workers paid once a year, if at all. Government of course censors everything, including the 84,000 protests across the country just last year alone. It is probably not bad to be a communist educated elite guy in China, for the rest not so good.

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Tank man was not run over, some ppl took him away. No one knows what happened to him, they say he wasn't killed, but most likely is in jail. Chinese military did shoot 2500 people with AK's in Tianamen square in 1989 protests, and of course imprisoned and executed some of the university student protestors.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Chinadefender
Ok. All Americans go to the congress and ask to cut off trade relations with China.

Certainly China would lose, and how about US?
I wish. (at least until they adopt freedom)

-50% employment. We asked all of mexico's people's to immigrate to fill all the jobs. We don't make what we consume China does anymore.
 

Chinadefender

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As for curreny, Greenspan has more to say.

As for IP protection, Gates would tell you how he earns money in China.

Those could be googled.

If you are not satisfied with their words, I could only suggest that you all go to the congress then. :)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: lyssword
China: 200million middle class people, communist party members. Middle-class, modern lifestyle. 850million: poor people from villiages with no education,no money (because you have to pay for education in china and if you don't have money, like most people, you don't go to school), work for 13hrs a day 7 days /week for very low wages. Lots of cheap labor to construct buildings etc, construction workers paid once a year, if at all. Government of course censors everything, including the 84,000 protests across the country just last year alone. It is probably not bad to be a communist educated elite guy in China, for the rest not so good.

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Tank man was not run over, some ppl took him away. No one knows what happened to him, they say he wasn't killed, but most likely is in jail. Chinese military did shoot 2500 people with AK's in Tianamen square in 1989 protests, and of course imprisoned and executed some of the university student protestors.
Thats nothing. How about the Tibetan Slaughterhouse? To this day they are being cleansed by Han Chinese. It's either leave your land or bullet. Same goes for farmers who's land gets ripped out from under tham by local party bosses for thier biz or whatever. No religious rights, no reproductive rights, no labor rights, no rights to expression or end up in a hole even for those "middle class"

I suggest anyone "confused" about china start looking at the link below for just a tindge of thier absolute brutality record that actualy makes it out. One can just imagine from there since it's a police state which controls all flow of information
http://hrw.org/doc/?t=asia&c=china
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: rchiu
heh, what is this, did Chinese bashing season just began? No country is perfect alrite? you wanna talk human right violation, read what Amnesty international has to say about USA Human Right violations. Wanna talk about trade? What about US with it's power in World Bank, IMF bankrupting smaller countries. Wanna talk about pollution? Heh, do I have to remind ppl who is the number 1 consumer of oil, and number polluter on this planet? Wanna talk poverty, go to the inner city and see what kinda life some US citizen is living. Wanna talk being a bully? Who is the number 1 arm producer, and the only one country still waging a war in some other country?

There are problems in China, but there are problem in the US too. Guess some ppl rather point fingers at the others and feel superior rather than trying to mind their own business and make themself better.

if you like China so much renounce the citizenship of the country you live in and go to China to live!!
Immigrate there..hehee
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: rchiu
heh, what is this, did Chinese bashing season just began? No country is perfect alrite? you wanna talk human right violation, read what Amnesty international has to say about USA Human Right violations. Wanna talk about trade? What about US with it's power in World Bank, IMF bankrupting smaller countries. Wanna talk about pollution? Heh, do I have to remind ppl who is the number 1 consumer of oil, and number polluter on this planet? Wanna talk poverty, go to the inner city and see what kinda life some US citizen is living. Wanna talk being a bully? Who is the number 1 arm producer, and the only one country still waging a war in some other country?

There are problems in China, but there are problem in the US too. Guess some ppl rather point fingers at the others and feel superior rather than trying to mind their own business and make themself better.

Freedoms? Extreme Chinese censorship is unquestionably forced upon is society.

Pollution? If any American city was as polluted as the typical industrial Chinese city where air pollution is as thick as fog, the uproar would be furious.

Fair Trade? Trade imbalance with China reaches record $725 Billion in 2005. and their theft American intellecutal property is notorious.

Dang, it must take lots of special talent to link some google search.

The great US of A is causing how many death in Iraq everyday and you are worrying about censorship?

If American city is so clean, how does American rank #1 in both total CO2 emission and CO2 emission per capital?

Finally, your $725 billion imbalance figure is with the world, not just with China. About $200B was with China. Why don't you get your fact straight first and then go hit some book on why your country have such a huge trade deficit and what economic policy you can implement to reduce that.

if you like China so much renounce your the citizenship of the country you live in and
Immigrate to China...hehee

 

dahunan

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I do wonder what America would be like if our population were 5 times more than it is today..

Would it be a Patriot Act that is 5 times stronger

A govt that is 5 times more corrupt than it is now - There would be 5 Tom DeLays

...
 

Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: luv2liv
when i say good or bad.... i meant comparing chinese government to usa gov, which is better?

i think chinese gov is awful... she's living in shanghai n supports her gov whole heartedly. she said americans misunderstood chinese gov. but chinese gov is so much better than usa.

im all confused


If she said any thing other than what she said then your "ex" would be in a dirty run down chineese prison. My friend you have learned Cheneese goverment class lesson number #1: Never talk bad about the Chineese Goverment or you will regret it.



 

piasabird

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The chinese govt arrested people for practicing a religion that beleived in exercise and breathing exercises. Then they put the people in a concentration camp and beat some of them to death. Then that same government operated on live patients and stole their organs. The Chineses government is like a giant third world dictatorship and the way they run their government is much like how Sadam ran his government. Yet we still do business with them.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Yet we still do business with them.

Heck, their government is the model neocon dream for here, all the capitalist corruption w/ authoritarian iron fist to control all that unamerican dissent.

We have seen the future. And it means big profits without all that meddling from the peoples voice.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: rchiu
heh, what is this, did Chinese bashing season just began? No country is perfect alrite? you wanna talk human right violation, read what Amnesty international has to say about USA Human Right violations. Wanna talk about trade? What about US with it's power in World Bank, IMF bankrupting smaller countries. Wanna talk about pollution? Heh, do I have to remind ppl who is the number 1 consumer of oil, and number polluter on this planet? Wanna talk poverty, go to the inner city and see what kinda life some US citizen is living. Wanna talk being a bully? Who is the number 1 arm producer, and the only one country still waging a war in some other country?

There are problems in China, but there are problem in the US too. Guess some ppl rather point fingers at the others and feel superior rather than trying to mind their own business and make themself better.

Freedoms? Extreme Chinese censorship is unquestionably forced upon is society.

Pollution? If any American city was as polluted as the typical industrial Chinese city where air pollution is as thick as fog, the uproar would be furious.

Fair Trade? Trade imbalance with China reaches record $725 Billion in 2005. and their theft American intellecutal property is notorious.

Dang, it must take lots of special talent to link some google search.

The great US of A is causing how many death in Iraq everyday and you are worrying about censorship?

If American city is so clean, how does American rank #1 in both total CO2 emission and CO2 emission per capital?

Finally, your $725 billion imbalance figure is with the world, not just with China. About $200B was with China. Why don't you get your fact straight first and then go hit some book on why your country have such a huge trade deficit and what economic policy you can implement to reduce that.

if you like China so much renounce your the citizenship of the country you live in and
Immigrate to China...hehee

Heh, I am doing US a favor by telling like it is. Guess some people prefer living in the dream world thinking how high and mighty they are until some day their country goes to hell and they still don't know why that is.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: magomago
Chinese Government Sucks...but the USA's government also sucks, so for what it is worth...
I can be a little specific though-
although I will say the US government at the moment has less suckage domestically, but it still sucks...but we have more suckage when it comes to foreign affairs. China has less suckage internationally mainly because they can't throw themselves around militarily like we can, but domestically suckage is currently far pass the US's suckage.

Note: If I wasn't clear enough...both suck.

OUr governement sucks because its a money making machine for certain groups and it seems decisions are based on that, Chinese government sucks because they will execute your ass if you had opened this thread in China.
 

Googer

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Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Chinadefender
Ok. All Americans go to the congress and ask to cut off trade relations with China.

Certainly China would lose, and how about US?
I wish. (at least until they adopt freedom)

-50% employment. We asked all of mexico's people's to immigrate to fill all the jobs. We don't make what we consume China does anymore.

But that would change in time if we did though. Manufacturing would shift from China to the USA and Vietnam.
 

sunzt

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The government takes away the issue of politics and some freedoms of speech for the Chinese people. This obviously is seen as bad for the people since they are more limited in what they can say and do. However, limiting what the people can say and do forces them to focus on other things that are more important such as making money to live, taking care of the family, and having fun.

MOST PEOPLE in China distrust the government and know that it's just government propoganda that they see and hear from them. However, people would rather focus on living their life, having fun, and earning money rather than going to jail and such. You have to admit that the Chinese government has created many opportunities for hundreds of millions of people so far. The government policies are improving the lives of people, modernizing the country, and lifting people from poverty at the cost of some non-essential freedoms (speech , limited religion) and accepting the 1 party line. Needless to say, there is still a lot of Chinese in poverty, but the Chinese government is has recently been creating policies to spread the wealth to the countryside and rural areas of China. China is trying to slow down it's economic pace to about 8.5% in order to focus on improving social stability (by spreading wealth) and ecological protection.

In America, the people are taught to value the freedoms that the Chinese do not have. But, what really made America into the current superpower of the world? Was it from the freedoms, or the capitalist economy and business friendly policies that it used for most of its history?

Since America does not restrict it's people from politics, religion, and freedom of speech (generally speaking), topics such as abortion, separation of church and state, INTELLIGENT DESIGN, democrats vs republicans, and other issues have taken center stage and being brought more attention and time than improving education, reducing poverty, and improving quality of life.

Ask yourself, if China had all the freedoms that Americans have, would people really have a better quality of life than they do currently? Would it have been one of the worlds most powerful nations? Would it have had the huge business investments, economic, and political prowess? Would it have had the miraculous economic growth? Would people be bickering over politics and religion as they do in America? Would a democracy really work well in a country with ~1.3 billion people with potientially 1.3 billion different opinions?

When comparing India to China (a huge population under democracy vs a huge population under "communisim"), it seems to show that while democracy preserves freedoms, the pace of change and progress in a society of that size is agonizing slow due to politics. People keep saying that in the next few years India will experience a huge boom, but people have been saying that for decades. China, on the otherhand, loses freedoms, but has an economic boom like none before.
 

luv2liv

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so if communism is working for china... whatever happened to USSR? why did they collapse? im catching up to history now, AT style. hahahah
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: sunzt
The government takes away the issue of politics and some freedoms of speech for the Chinese people. This obviously is seen as bad for the people since they are more limited in what they can say and do. However, limiting what the people can say and do forces them to focus on other things that are more important such as making money to live, taking care of the family, and having fun.

MOST PEOPLE in China distrust the government and know that it's just government propoganda that they see and hear from them. However, people would rather focus on living their life, having fun, and earning money rather than going to jail and such. You have to admit that the Chinese government has created many opportunities for hundreds of millions of people so far. The government policies are improving the lives of people, modernizing the country, and lifting people from poverty at the cost of some non-essential freedoms (speech , limited religion) and accepting the 1 party line. Needless to say, there is still a lot of Chinese in poverty, but the Chinese government is has recently been creating policies to spread the wealth to the countryside and rural areas of China. China is trying to slow down it's economic pace to about 8.5% in order to focus on improving social stability (by spreading wealth) and ecological protection.

In America, the people are taught to value the freedoms that the Chinese do not have. But, what really made America into the current superpower of the world? Was it from the freedoms, or the capitalist economy and business friendly policies that it used for most of its history?

Since America does not restrict it's people from politics, religion, and freedom of speech (generally speaking), topics such as abortion, separation of church and state, INTELLIGENT DESIGN, democrats vs republicans, and other issues have taken center stage and being brought more attention and time than improving education, reducing poverty, and improving quality of life.

Ask yourself, if China had all the freedoms that Americans have, would people really have a better quality of life than they do currently? Would it have been one of the worlds most powerful nations? Would it have had the huge business investments, economic, and political prowess? Would it have had the miraculous economic growth? Would people be bickering over politics and religion as they do in America? Would a democracy really work well in a country with ~1.3 billion people with potientially 1.3 billion different opinions?

When comparing India to China (a huge population under democracy vs a huge population under "communisim"), it seems to show that while democracy preserves freedoms, the pace of change and progress in a society of that size is agonizing slow due to politics. People keep saying that in the next few years India will experience a huge boom, but people have been saying that for decades. China, on the otherhand, loses freedoms, but has an economic boom like none before.


Peoples arguments over politics and religeon does not hinder the US ecomony in a significant way. We are more harmed by Chinas unfair trade practices. Ask yourself, can a country that can foreclose on anyones life at anytime for no reason whatsoever, without trial be good for the world? I think not.
 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Peoples arguments over politics and religeon does not hinder the US ecomony in a significant way. We are more harmed by Chinas unfair trade practices.

I never said arguments over politics and religion hurt the US economy. The US is economy is due to its history of capitalism and business friendly policies. However, I do say that those issues are taking more time and getting much more attention than more important issues such as improving the quality of life, education, medical care, and issues with more real world impact.

Ask yourself, can a country that can foreclose on anyones life at anytime for no reason whatsoever, without trial be good for the world? I think not.

Of course that would be bad, and hell, we all know those people at Guantanamo got speedy and fair trials and thus that doesn't make the US bad! Besides it's not like the Chinese government is going around towns incarcerating and executing anyone that gives the police a bad look. There are courts in China. People are usually given trials, however, they're much faster and have no jury. The court system is different, it's probably not as fair as in the USA, but there's much less of a chance a guilty person is judged innocent (OJ, etc).

Just don't go about criticizing the government in front of a policeman and you won't have to worry about going to jail... it's that simple. You may not like it since Americans value the freedom of criticizing the government, but most Chinese people have more important things on their minds such as improving their life and having fun.

Also, the current economic hinderence to the USA by China can mainly be blamed at the USA for ALLOWING its government and businesses to be so reliant on the Chinese goods and funding. China doesn't force US businesses to do business with them. Any dramatic shift in the yuan or protectionist policies by the US would only hurt the US economy even more rather than helping it. The US dug its own hole.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Peoples arguments over politics and religeon does not hinder the US ecomony in a significant way. We are more harmed by Chinas unfair trade practices.

I never said arguments over politics and religion hurt the US economy. The US is economy is due to its history of capitalism and business friendly policies. However, I do say that those issues are taking more time and getting much more attention than more important issues such as improving the quality of life, education, medical care, and issues with more real world impact.

Ask yourself, can a country that can foreclose on anyones life at anytime for no reason whatsoever, without trial be good for the world? I think not.

Of course that would be bad, and hell, we all know those people at Guantanamo got speedy and fair trials and thus that doesn't make the US bad! .



A fair and speedy trial is only guaranteed to people living with in the borders of the United States of America. Since they are not on US Soil and are not Citizens and were caught fighting against US Soldiers, The law does not apply to them.
 

imported_Aelius

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Leaders of both China and the US should be tried for treason and be given thousands of life sentences for all the lives they cost their people.

The buck stops where?

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