Chinese dictator Hu in America.

[JohnOfSheffield]

Not the Economist

The Economist.

You're such a charming man. I almost wish you really were in the SAS so perhaps you'd just die one of these days. But I suppose if you really were in the SAS, you wouldn't be such a tool. I do still hope you die though, from one too many scrummy snacks in mum's basement. :thumbsup:

Don't get your hopes up, unlike you i don't have sex with men, something you have acknowledged that you have quite frequently.

Caught much aids lately, manwhore? Or is your arse so loose these days that you have to shove a few socks up it to give your lover some friction?

I do like that you hope that i die though, i do like that you express it so clearly, it makes what i'm about to do so much easier to do.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ouch LOL.

John, dude, please take it down on a notch.

Thanks.

Any modern country refusing to do business with China will have a hard time competing. Why turn your back on a country solely because you may not agree with it's government's ideology/actions. I see quite a few things wrong with our government's internal/foreign policies and people line up to do business with us. Why is that?

To do just dismiss China & it's 1.4 billion people is completely retarded and arrogant.

Do you believe that China needs an external market? If you do then you must realise that that external market actually has some power to influence the politics via sanctions?

Only a fool will make dirty business and import melamin toxin in some products and lead WAY above the normalised values. Not to mention Dioxines and other shit...

What we COULD do is make them compete on equal terms, the EU, Russia, most of Asia and the US do control the world economy, we pretty much agree on most things except when someone wants to make a quick buck...

Sanctions to insure proper quality is needed, consumer laws are national but they do regulate what is sold within the nation...

 

[sportage]

How would you all feel about us paying back all the debt we owe to China and write a law that we can no longer borrow from them?

I personally despise being on their leash.

Maybe leash-like, but located much lower on the male body.
I like China's advances in technology and mass transit.
Maybe a backward third world country like America just might take a lesson...some day.

 

[alphatarget1]

Hu Jintao and the current Chinese civilian leadership hasn't been THAT bad for what it's worth given PRC's past. Wait till you get the next generation of leaders, who will be even more nationalistic than the current generation of leadership.

 

[Narmer]

Hu Jintao and the current Chinese civilian leadership hasn't been THAT bad for what it's worth given PRC's past. Wait till you get the next generation of leaders, who will be even more nationalistic than the current generation of leadership.

What else do they have? They certainly don't have a mandate to rule. The leadership is not only unelected, there are many shadowy figures who are more powerful than some of the faces we see. Seeing that China cannot have 10%+ real (not official) growth forever, it isn't too far fetch to see protests turning against the political and economic elite. In fact, it was Hu himself that said that the only thing that keeps him awake at night is finding new jobs for his compatriots.

 

[iGas]

Do you believe that China needs an external market? If you do then you must realise that that external market actually has some power to influence the politics via sanctions?

Only a fool will make dirty business and import melamin toxin in some products and lead WAY above the normalised values. Not to mention Dioxines and other shit...

What we COULD do is make them compete on equal terms, the EU, Russia, most of Asia and the US do control the world economy, we pretty much agree on most things except when someone wants to make a quick buck...

Sanctions to insure proper quality is needed, consumer laws are national but they do regulate what is sold within the nation...

Tobacco in the 3rd World

Taiwan had its tobacco trade forced open by US pressure in January 1987. It now has unprecedented tobacco advertising. Youth is targeted using cigarette packets to get into discos. The amount of US cigarettes sold increased 24 times in the first year of deregulation. The private John Tung Foundation opposes this.

The US is particularly guilty as it is suing Thailand in the GATT (General Agreement and Tariffs and Trade) court to force it to open its markets to US tobacco. US-based TTCs are also very hypocritical in their overseas marketing, selling with tar levels and promotions that would not be allowed in the US. The US is the world's largest tobacco exporter (217,000 tonnes in 1986).

Opium Wars

Opium was smuggled by merchants from British India into China in defiance of Chinese prohibition laws. Open warfare between Britain and China broke out in 1839. Further disputes over the treatment of British merchants in Chinese ports resulted in the Second Opium War.
China was defeated in both wars leaving its government having to tolerate the opium trade. Britain forced the Chinese government into signing the Treaty of Nanking and the Treaty of Tianjin, also known as the Unequal Treaties, which included provisions for the opening of additional ports to unrestricted foreign trade, for fixed tariffs; for the recognition of both countries as equal in correspondence; and for the cession of Hong Kong to Britain.

And, how many countries has Britain & the US have invaded, prodded into war, destabilized, and sold weapons to terrorist organizations?

We as in the US lapdog?
The UK is a has been that couldn't defend it self 70 years ago let alone now.





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[JohnOfSheffield]

Tobacco in the 3rd World



Opium Wars



And, how many countries has Britain & the US have invaded, prodded into war, destabilized, and sold weapons to terrorist organizations?

We as in the US lapdog?
The UK is a has been that couldn't defend it self 70 years ago let alone now.





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Son, we are a NATO nation, you're fucking obliged to comply with our orders if we are under attack, that is how that works.

If not, we have nukes, we'll have the EU on our side and probably Russia too, no matter what you think about your trade with them, the natural gas and oil pipelines all through europe is what keeps their head over the water, they'd be on the UK side...

So now what?

We'll obliterate the US with UK nukes? We have more than enough to do so via navy, we have the largerst standing nuclear fleet in the world, bar none.

If we really wanted to, we could make you jump on command.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Gee? Comparing selling tobacco to adults that know what they are getting in to to selling milk products tainted with poison to children and trying to cover it up?

Also, Opium Wars were a long time ago.

The Anti-European bullshit that gets posted here astounds me. For all practical purposes, The United States, Canada and Australia are basically Western European countries located on other continents.

 

[KlokWyze]

Son, we are a NATO nation, you're fucking obliged to comply with our orders if we are under attack, that is how that works.

If not, we have nukes, we'll have the EU on our side and probably Russia too, no matter what you think about your trade with them, the natural gas and oil pipelines all through europe is what keeps their head over the water, they'd be on the UK side...

So now what?

We'll obliterate the US with UK nukes? We have more than enough to do so via navy, we have the largerst standing nuclear fleet in the world, bar none.

If we really wanted to, we could make you jump on command.

I agree with your last response to my post about using sanctions... or anything else. If they are going to under value their currency that's undermining our workforce and ability to generate income, then it's a pretty strait forward solution.

I think my posts addressing you is more in line with the massively annoying, insulting and ridiculous posts you make. TBH, I'm not sure any more if they're annoying but, entertaining now, in a Jerry Springer sort of way. It's actually an American show, right up your alley. :awe:

 

[KlokWyze]

The Anti-European bullshit that gets posted here astounds me. For all practical purposes, The United States, Canada and Australia are basically Western European countries located on other continents.

Yeah it's crazy, but I've seen uncalled for anti-American sentiment step up in the past 5 or so years. I post on a few message boards based in other countries. It's really just all morons....... on both sides.

 

[iGas]

Son, we are a NATO nation, you're fucking obliged to comply with our orders if we are under attack, that is how that works.

If not, we have nukes, we'll have the EU on our side and probably Russia too, no matter what you think about your trade with them, the natural gas and oil pipelines all through europe is what keeps their head over the water, they'd be on the UK side...

So now what?

We'll obliterate the US with UK nukes? We have more than enough to do so via navy, we have the largerst standing nuclear fleet in the world, bar none.

If we really wanted to, we could make you jump on command.

I call shenanigan on that claim.

United Kingdom Military Strength
Total Navy Ships: 139

United States of America Military Strength
Total Navy Ships: 1,559
Aircraft Carriers: 11 (nuclear power)
And, over 100 nuclear power submarines.



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[iGas]

Gee? Comparing selling tobacco to adults that know what they are getting in to to selling milk products tainted with poison to children and trying to cover it up?

Also, Opium Wars were a long time ago.

The Anti-European bullshit that gets posted here astounds me. For all practical purposes, The United States, Canada and Australia are basically Western European countries located on other continents.

Which part of the "force it to open its markets to US tobacco." didn't you understand?

I was in Thailand during the time that the US was dumping toxic tobacco that it couldn't sell in America, and the US government put a trade tariff on electronics among other goods that the Thai traded with the US to force the Thai to open its door to American toxic tobacco. Thailand is among one of many countries that the US dumped its toxic chemicals on (might wipe some of the arrogant of your face if you also do some research on DDT usage in third world countries that was dumped on by US chemical companies).

China is not an angel, so as the US and its allies. IMHO, every corporation in the world in the US/China/etc... cares about is their bottom line.

 

[Generator]

The US has become the beacon of the most pathetic people on earth.

This country has sold its soul decades ago. Sure I guess you can pick on us fat fucks now, but are we really to blame? Sold down shit creek having thrown overboard our principles, we now deal with thugs, crooks, terrorists, communists, and dopes for a disgraceful survival. Meh, everybody has to eat I guess...

 

[Zorkorist]

It's the Chinese President, visiting us.

On my local radio station, they called him the leader of the Communist world.

They don't understand that Communism no longer exists.

-John

 

[Jaskalas]

The US has become the beacon of the most pathetic people on earth.

Wealth tends to do that to people.

 

[werepossum]

LOL - The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner hosts the leader of the country that has imprisoned the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner.

LOL indeed. The very definition of irony.

 

[jman19]

LOL - The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner hosts the leader of the country that has imprisoned the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Weren't you just complaining earlier that Obama wasn't showing the Chinese enough respect?

If you're going to troll, at least be consistent.

 

[piasabird]

How is the premier of China any different than granting the guy from Iran an interview?

 

[Nebor]

Don't get your hopes up, unlike you i don't have sex with men, something you have acknowledged that you have quite frequently.

Caught much aids lately, manwhore? Or is your arse so loose these days that you have to shove a few socks up it to give your lover some friction?

I do like that you hope that i die though, i do like that you express it so clearly, it makes what i'm about to do so much easier to do.

How have you never been banned ? You're all personal attacks, no arguments. Reported.

 

[ahurtt]

I do not see it this way at all. I have no idea if the U.S. has any plans to really pay China back or not. Not doing business with China is not like trashing all your own property? We owe China some paper nothing more nothing less, which we have the printing press to. You will have to justify your statement more.

I was just implying that they basically own us already so to crush us would be kinda like demolishing your own stuff. Besides...if there was no U.S. it would dramatically cut down on consumers of all the stuff they make. They'd have to start consuming it all themselves. There is already a global excess of production capacity as it is. China is heavily invested in the U.S...they are buying us up little by little each day.

 

[jhu]

As for me buying Chinese-made goods I have no choice but to swallow and accept or I wouldn't have anything. China has become the world's manufacturer whether we like it or not.

In other words, you're not principled enough to do what you preach against. You are being hypocritical.

 

[Svnla]

Not sure that they want a western style liberal democracy. You have to remember, that with the exception of those that are educated abroad and those that know how to get around The Great Firewall, that the majority of the population lives in ignorance and poverty (through no fault of their own) far worse than anything we can imagine here and are fed propaganda in the form of state media and censored history.

My girlfriend's roommate had no idea what happened at Tienanmen Square and other Communist atrocities committed against her own people until she came here for college and had access to uncensored history media. She is even in the upper-middle-class of Chinese society (her father is a higher up at a sizable corporation there), but still had all these minor "details" hidden from her throughout her upbringing.

Not as bad as North Korea, by any means, but still Big Brother city.

Now, if all of them had uncensored internet access, then things would be quite different and they would be enlightened as to how things really are and demand reforms, but that is not the case.

The bolded part is true. I frequently visit one of the popular Asia/Pacific related website and several Chineses made statements that you would not believe. Here are some of their statements.

1. US and S. Korea attacked N. Korea and about to destroy China, therefore, China had to response in the 1950's.

2. Neighbors around China such as India and Vietnam attacked China and China had to defense self in the 1960's and 1970's...........................

India attacked China in 1962, Vietnam attacked China in 1976, S.Korea and the US attacked China in 1950. The above aggressors attacked China because they want to rob China’s wealth and resources instead of to work for the wealth themselves. They are bad guys.

3. Japan was the bully aggressor in the fishing boat/Coast Guard ship collision..... ...........

the anti-China camp (especially Japan and US) has gone very aggressive. Case in point, Japan completely snubs Chinese request on a middle-ground solution (both sides compromise) to territorial disputes but instead actively sends fighter jets and naval ships to those areas when China didn’t. That’s why Chinese recent ‘aggressiveness’ is merely a small response compared to the blatant brinksmanship by Japan.

and so on and on.

Source = http://the-diplomat.com/2010/12/23/chinas-risky-bet-against-history/ (read the comments from YiJiun)

http://the-diplomat.com/2011/01/07/china%e2%80%99s-over-hyped-stealth-jet/ (read the comments from John Chan)

Keep in mind, with the exceptions of a few big cities/areas like Shanghai or Beijing, China's population is full of poor peasants barely making day to day. IIRC, if you divide the total GDP for all China population, its GDP per person is even less than Mexico.

He should get a PhD and appear on the BBC as Dr. Hu.

IIRC, Hu was a hydroelectric engineer so he is not a dummy. Not sure if he has advance degree(s) or not. I also remember from somewhere that the current leader of Iran (the dude with the weird long name) has a PhD degree, anyone has proof otherwise?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I call shenanigan on that claim.

United Kingdom Military Strength
Total Navy Ships: 139

United States of America Military Strength
Total Navy Ships: 1,559
Aircraft Carriers: 11 (nuclear power)
And, over 100 nuclear power submarines.



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Son, you're dealing with JoS. He IS the equivalent of 112 nuclear powered ships. 😀

 

[CanOWorms]

You do realise that Indonesia is the terrorist nation above ALL other terrorist nations and that they would sooner kill any American than any European, would be a strange confedant in this war you love and cherish, then you have India, a shithole ruled by a heavily corrupt government, there are cities there but the slums of detroit are better than those cities, there are tribal circumcision, the mother and father are responsible for the honor of their child and the honor killings are not prosecuted along with the battery acid attacks, India is fucking hell on earth, it's even worth than Pakistan and that is saying something, problem is they bring it into the EU where they flee from justice.

Brazil, yeah, gotta love Brazil, everyone lives off of the scraps of everyone else, there are cildren sniffing glue in the underground, there are people taken away never to be found again because they are against the current government...

Those countries have more of a future than most of our current traditional European allies. It's also not as if our traditional Western allies don't have their own issues.

Anti-Americanism is extremely strong in Europe, so that argument of yours doesn't make too much sense. European countries are also incredibly corrupt, so again you don't make a unique argument.

For our Western allies we have monarchies (UK, etc.), routine banning of political parties (Spain), use of intelligence services against the media and political parties (France, Germany), racialyl supremacy based politically parties in governments, widespread terrorism (Italy, Greece just in the last few weeks), etc. They are the new emerging third world while the former third world is the new emerging developed world.

You are a piss poor excuse for a man, you really want to fuck up the US that bad? Seriously?

I think it will provide the US with a future.

Get this, the EU and the US are tighter allies than the US is with Israel right now, and Israel used to be the number one ally...

That's not saying much. Relations with both the EU and Israel have been quite strained since Obama's election.

Mongolia is a tighter ally than Bhutan right now, too.

Your dream of poverty and misery in the US will not pass and quite frankly, i'm not sure why you'd want them to.

I think it's a dream of riches and success. It's poverty and misery for Europe. The entire world wants revenge and it's not going to be pretty. The US needs to make sure it's not lumped with Europe.

If there was a world war today, and the US relied on those nations, you could just use your second amendment and shoot yourselves because we might not hit you right in the neurocortex.

Your dreams are hopeless, and you are a retarded little old beloved patriot.

Obama seems to be on my side.

 

[CanOWorms]

Son, we are a NATO nation, you're fucking obliged to comply with our orders if we are under attack, that is how that works.

If not, we have nukes, we'll have the EU on our side and probably Russia too, no matter what you think about your trade with them, the natural gas and oil pipelines all through europe is what keeps their head over the water, they'd be on the UK side...

So now what?

We'll obliterate the US with UK nukes? We have more than enough to do so via navy, we have the largerst standing nuclear fleet in the world, bar none.

If we really wanted to, we could make you jump on command.

The mighty UK at its peak was beaten by half-naked civilian masses decades ago. They can't make anyone do anything anymore.