Chinese and Japanese racial tension.

[Howard]

Originally posted by: UncleWai

Originally posted by: TonyB
if it werent for the Japanese invading China during world war 2 and weakning the KMT then the birth of the Peoples Republic of China may never have happened.

the KMT would have remained strong and contained the communist uprising and today we would see a completely different picture in Asia with no split Taiwan and a US backed democratic China.

so in a way, the current government of China (PRC), and any patriotic communist chinese out there should thank the Japanese for their involvement.

Yeap, and Black people should thank the Whites for enslaving their ancestors, otherwise they would not be in the United States now. Matter of fact, we should all thank your parents for bringing such a brilliant thinker to this world.

No, the blacks should thank their rulers for selling them.

 

[dbk]

Only the old and the ignorant still do.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Taejin
1) Germans don't deny how they treated the Jewish people (and the other minorities that get lost in history)
2) America does not deny our past of slavery
3) Japan actively attempts to downplay their atrocities or pretend it didn't happen. Also, revisionist historians are changing the textbooks used in japanese classrooms to teach japanese history.

Japan should be damned. How do you think Jewish people would feel if Germany went around saying Hitler wasn't real and the Germans didn't actually commit the Holocaust? Do you think the Jews would generally feel like 'its ok, let's not hold grudges.'? And let's not even get started on what would happen in America if our leaders started denying slavery.

Let's not talk about the nation of Japan but instead about the Japanese people.

Do you feel strongly enough to say "I don't like the Japanese, and I never will." (as long as Japan as a nation doesn't formally recognize what they did)?

So there would be no way in hell you would be friends with any native Japanese, ever, just because they're Japanese?

Who do you think downplays or denies Japan's involvement? That Japanese kid running around playing in the playground? That Japanese college student who's been shielded all his life from the truth? That middle aged Japanese man who had also been shielded from the truth as well? Or maybe those Japanese policy makers who make it national policy to deny Japanese involvement and shield the Japanese people from the truth?

The US is a hated country around the world. I'm an American simply because I live in America. I do not condone many of the things our leaders have done. I also don't know of many of the things our leaders have done because there's just too much and we are sometimes shielded from the truth. But I'm a nice person. I should not carry the weight of atrocities done by the current administration or past administrations because I'm simply not a part of it. It simply doesn't make sense to say you're going to hate an entire people.

Yes, Japanese are generally nice people that I'd make friends with. The problem is their ignorance.
I sometimes meet really nice Americans who believe that Mr. Bush is bringing world peace , U.S tropps are there in Iraq to give freedom to the people, and that those horrible stories didn't happen.
When one's ignorance is that low, even if the person is damn sweet and nice, I feel quite uncomfortable because I think it's wrong to be that ignorant. In addition, I think it's somewhat a crime if you enjoy what your country offers without knowing what your country had done in the past.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Taejin
1) Germans don't deny how they treated the Jewish people (and the other minorities that get lost in history)
2) America does not deny our past of slavery
3) Japan actively attempts to downplay their atrocities or pretend it didn't happen. Also, revisionist historians are changing the textbooks used in japanese classrooms to teach japanese history.

Japan should be damned. How do you think Jewish people would feel if Germany went around saying Hitler wasn't real and the Germans didn't actually commit the Holocaust? Do you think the Jews would generally feel like 'its ok, let's not hold grudges.'? And let's not even get started on what would happen in America if our leaders started denying slavery.

Let's not talk about the nation of Japan but instead about the Japanese people.

Do you feel strongly enough to say "I don't like the Japanese, and I never will." (as long as Japan as a nation doesn't formally recognize what they did)?

So there would be no way in hell you would be friends with any native Japanese, ever, just because they're Japanese?

Who do you think downplays or denies Japan's involvement? That Japanese kid running around playing in the playground? That Japanese college student who's been shielded all his life from the truth? That middle aged Japanese man who had also been shielded from the truth as well? Or maybe those Japanese policy makers who make it national policy to deny Japanese involvement and shield the Japanese people from the truth?

The US is a hated country around the world. I'm an American simply because I live in America. I do not condone many of the things our leaders have done. I also don't know of many of the things our leaders have done because there's just too much and we are sometimes shielded from the truth. But I'm a nice person. I should not carry the weight of atrocities done by the current administration or past administrations because I'm simply not a part of it. It simply doesn't make sense to say you're going to hate an entire people.

Damn you're deep. But right you are.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I'm kind of an email buddy for a Chinese college student in Shanghai. In her most recent email she mentioned how she went to Canada and people were interested in the relationship between the Japanese and the Chinese, and she said that she doesn't like the Japanese, and never will.

Do most Chinese people still think this way? During the summer I visited Japan and even did a host family stay with a Japanese student. I have to say that the Japanese were one of the most friendly people I've ever met, and I'm Chinese.

So it seems like the Chinese still hate the Japanese for invading and massacring them back in the 1930s, even the young generation of Chinese.

Anyone know how the Japanese feel in this regard?

My personal opinion is that my Chinese email buddy is being a bit closed minded. It's been a very long time and the current generation of Japanese is very different from the Japanese back in those days. It's like Jewish people still having a deep hatred of German people because of the holocaust.

Me, not at all. However, if that massacre date is correct, my parent's were born shortly after it, so that would explain their continued "discontent" with them. This I can understand.

 

[Deadtrees]

Deleted because it was a repost

 

[sdifox]

Long memory buddy. You could try asking the Koreans the same question. They are probably a little more 'hating' than the Chinese when it comes to the Japanese.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

Read my other replies afterwards. Of course it's different.

Originally posted by: Howard

If it's not the Japanese people who are reponsible for suppressing history, who are?

Japanese policy-makers in the government, but not the Japanese people as a whole. It's like saying every man, woman, and child in the US should be blamed for anything bad that happens in the Iraq War. This is simply not the case. Policy-makers and people in power need to be held responsible for their travesties and for keeping the truth from the people they represent or rule. The people who are ruled should only be guilty of ignorance at the most.

Good people (who I believe the majority of Japanese people are) would understand and lament the things that their forefathers have done once they have been convinced that such actions occured.

Bad people, once convinced that such actions have occurred, will seek to actively cover up and unapologetically deny such facts.

The problem is that the bad people are in control and the good people have no way of being convinced of, or even learn of, for that matter, such events.

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Yes, Japanese are generally nice people that I'd make friends with. The problem is their ignorance.
I sometimes meet really nice Americans who believe that Mr. Bush is bringing world peace , U.S tropps are there in Iraq to give freedom to the people, and that those horrible stories didn't happen.
When one's ignorance is that low, even if the person is damn sweet and nice, I feel quite uncomfortable because I think it's wrong to be that ignorant. In addition, I think it's somewhat a crime if you enjoy what your country offers without knowing what your country had done in the past.

This is certainly valid, but you're going to find ignorance wherever you go. I do my best not to be ignorant. You do your best also. The majority of Japanese people probably do so as well. But ignorance is such a fast moving topic because one is often ignorant about what one is ignorant about. No matter how well-informed you think you are, there will always be someone with a different, valid perspective and perhaps more experience than you that thinks you're ignorant. The point is is that it's kinda hard to really hold someone guilty and to angrily think less of someone, much less an entire people, of being ignorant because it is so easy to be ignorant. If anything there should be pity that they live in the kind of society that breeds (what you think to be) ignorance.

 

[PlatinumGold]

forgiveness without repentance is STUPID.

and no, the japanese have never repented.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
forgiveness without repentance is STUPID.

and no, the japanese have never repented.

So continued hatred is the answer?

 

[Nerva]

yeah that's pretty much true. i spent the first half of my life in china, while you arent "taught" to hate the japs, there are certainly a lot of materials that would elicit hatred for them. and young people's minds are very malleable.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
forgiveness without repentance is STUPID.

and no, the japanese have never repented.

So continued hatred is the answer?

No, but it's understandable. You say it was a long time ago and people should forget about it, but it isn't - there are still plenty of people alive right now who suffered and Japan and Japanese people not only downplay it, but give these people a big Fuck You once a year.

 

[Tiamat]

Usually only the people older than 40 years of age, and their children if they are all overbearing parents like most are. If they believe in all the Chinese folklore and herbal "remedies", most likely they have something against the Japanese. I just tell them to get over it, and they curse me in dialect lol.

 

[TecHNooB]

Sushi is the best.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
forgiveness without repentance is STUPID.

and no, the japanese have never repented.

So continued hatred is the answer?

Apparently so.... if not that, than a few atom bombs.. remember, it was not until THEN that they surrendered. The Japaneses are basically "begging" for some sort of retribution by not apologizing and admitting what they did. But then by being head strong and ignorant, they were the first guinea pigs of atomic radiation. SOooOoooo, I guess they deserved it. We will have to wait until the "older" generation of Japanese dies before society gets a real apology from the japanese. I'm sure it will happen. How stubborn and stupid can the japanese be? They were obviously in the wrong.

Also, it really wasn't long ago that the japanese were raping and killing.. some of the victims are still alive -- the few who weren't beheaded or burned alive that is :-( If I was japanese, I would be sorry for my government for not really apologizing.

 

[SKC]

Originally posted by: Howard

If it's not the Japanese people who are reponsible for suppressing history, who are?

While I definitely have no problem with Japanese people individually, I do have a problem with wholesale governmental denial.

Without currently addressing the topic being discussed, the US government has a role in downplaying Japan's atrocities, specifically for information received from biological experiments conducted during WWII.

Vivisection of pregnant women will leave a lasting impression.

edit:
you're correct in your statement that younger generations should not carry the weight of their nation's past on their shoulders, but the problem here is the lack of recognition and repentance from those who run the country.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I think it matters where you're living, if you are Chinese in America and visit Japanese you will be fine but if you are living in your homeland there will be problems.

The same thing happened with Poles and Russians in America. At least, there was this one party hall called Moscow that my parents went to in the early 90's and there were lots of Poles and Russians and there was no problem. Although a lot of Poles hate Russians, I remember watching a Poland vs. Russia game and the Poles in the crowd were telling Russia to Fuck off, they had to turn the sound off.

 

[Vonkhan]

The Chinese were no better in the Indo-China war in their treatment of Indian POWs

I can't get myself to feel any sympathy for nation that is driving the demand for the body parts of endangered animals like tigers

 

[deepred98]

I personally don't really hate the japanese people individually but as a whole i their constant denying of their war crimes and atrocities as well as their snobbish culture make me view them disdainfully.

 

[rchiu]

As a Chinese from Taiwan, I don't have problem with ordinary Japanese. In fact I have several Japanese friends from school. But what I have problem with is Japanese government, still trying to rewrite history, like denying they started the war against China, denying the comfort women, rewriting text book and make their atrocities in China seem minor, and still paying respect to those war criminals.

Chinese everywhere who reads history remembers what Japan did, but that's in the past. It's kinda stupid to get mad at current generation of Japanese who has nothing to do with the past. But when Japanese government keep denying their past and trying to rewrite history on their roles in WW2, I think everyone, not only Chinese should condemn that. Imaging German denying holocaust never happened.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
forgiveness without repentance is STUPID.

and no, the japanese have never repented.

So continued hatred is the answer?

No, but it's understandable. You say it was a long time ago and people should forget about it, but it isn't - there are still plenty of people alive right now who suffered and Japan and Japanese people not only downplay it, but give these people a big Fuck You once a year.

Not only that, Japanese are making sex slave victims to look like whores by saying that they were willing to screw 50 soldiers a day for money.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: deepred98
I personally don't really hate the japanese people individually but as a whole i their constant denying of their war crimes and atrocities as well as their snobbish culture make me view them disdainfully.

snobbish culture?

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: rchiu
As a Chinese from Taiwan, I don't have problem with ordinary Japanese. In fact I have several Japanese friends from school. But what I have problem with is Japanese government, still trying to rewrite history, like denying they started the war against China, denying the comfort women, rewriting text book and make their atrocities in China seem minor, and still paying respect to those war criminals.

Chinese everywhere who reads history remembers what Japan did, but that's in the past. It's kinda stupid to get mad at current generation of Japanese who has nothing to do with the past. But when Japanese government keep denying their past and trying to rewrite history on their roles in WW2, I think everyone, not only Chinese should condemn that. Imaging German denying holocaust never happened.

Well, in the case of Japan, it'd be more like Germans denying that holocaust never happened but also making the founder of holocaust to become a principal of Berlin.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: deepred98
I personally don't really hate the japanese people individually but as a whole i their constant denying of their war crimes and atrocities as well as their snobbish culture make me view them disdainfully.

snobbish culture?

I would replace 'snobbish' with 'pride' but then again that applies to a majority of asian nations. There is a strong sense of 'pride' and 'shame' and perhaps admitting that their nation was part of such crimes would bring too much shame to bear.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
forgiveness without repentance is STUPID.

and no, the japanese have never repented.

how do you want them to repent? mass seppuku?
there have been official apologies issued by prime ministers or other officials on several occasions. whether they're genuine or not is of course another matter.