You present somewhat conflicting arguments: "tough sh** if you're the victim of rapid outsourcing", and "we need is to take all that money wasted and to put it toward improving Americans". I believe we need to tax outsourcing more heavily in order to help offset the harm to displaced workers; then it wouldn't matter how rapidly we outsource. The more rapidly, the better-- as long as we properly take care of workers that still honestly want to remain productive.
Actually, where the money comes from doesn't matter, but it is appropriate to make outsourcing companies share the burden more than they currently do. Social programs for displaced workers (especially retraining/education programs) are absolutely necessary to prevent the disappearance of the middle class. Without them we will become a nation of the ultra-rich and the ultra-poor, with a huge GNP but mass poverty.
Svnla
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I don't see anyone screaming about:
Billions of trade deficit we have annually with China.
Billions of dollars we borrow from them in term of T-bills and federal government borrowing/financing of the budget deficit.
Why we are upset if an outside company wants to buy an American company yet it is ok for an American company to buy an outside company? Afterall, we live in a GLOBAL interconnect capitalism market.
Billions of trade deficit we have annually with China.
Billions of dollars we borrow from them in term of T-bills and federal government borrowing/financing of the budget deficit.
Why we are upset if an outside company wants to buy an American company yet it is ok for an American company to buy an outside company? Afterall, we live in a GLOBAL interconnect capitalism market.
Retaining capital in your country's economy is not Marxist (and, if you wouldn't mind, cite some reference instead of setting-up a straw man)--it's just good sense for any country that wants to retain its leverage. When you pay workers that make products in US, and they buy products made in US, it's a win-win situation. When you pay workers outside the US to make products for sale in the US, you might increase your own capital, but you're depriving the working class of the means to buy goods. Eventually that means runs out--just look at the housing market for an example.
Squisher
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The problem is that a Chinese national will either be doing your job in China or because the industrial machine in this country becomes so decimated the demand for your services will dwindle in this country so as to pay you what a Chinese national gets in China.
I will never doubt the industriousness of the Chinese.
Global economy my ass, short term profits for shareholders. After we lose our factories and the world market rate jacks todays cheap products...we will all be fcuked.
30 years ago we got alone fine without cheap asian crap, now everyone thinks there are better saving .10 at walmart.
Hookers once a week is cheaper than a wife, but the quality isnt near as good.
30 years ago we got alone fine without cheap asian crap, now everyone thinks there are better saving .10 at walmart.
Hookers once a week is cheaper than a wife, but the quality isnt near as good.
Ha.
Protectionism is short-term profits for the domestic auto industry, but at the short term expense of domestic consumers and long term expense of other domestic industries
Brainonska511
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DrPizza
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You also know who believed in self-sustaining economies. Karl Marx. Let me know how that experiment went. We live in a global economy. It is impossible to be self-sustaining and it is stupid to think that in a capitalist driven economy, we should forego an economic advantage when it is at our feet. Outsourcing is but a natural trend in capitalism and free market economies. If it can be had for less, then people will buy the same product for less.
Does this, if done too quickly, create extreme poverty in the working class? Sure, but then tough s***. Welcome to life. It is not fair and you cannot anticipate everything. Make a bad decision 10 years ago that is affecting you now? You made the decision, live with it. Do not expect me to support you just like I would not expect you to support me. Just like in nature and evolution/natural selection, you must adapt or go the way of the dodo.
You cannot stop change, just cope with it. The way it should be done is we do gradually outsource and then instead of providing the outsourced severance pay and welfare checks, we give them an opportunity for further education?
Truthfully, are you telling me that expect for a select few, that should be allowed to keep their jobs and be out phased gradually(such as those close to retirement), everyone else cannot succeed with different jobs given the proper opportunities? How many assembly line workers would not be successful manage a factory in china or learn automotive technician skills and work in the understaffed auto repair industry?
Fighting outsourcing is just creating an inefficient economy that is screwing every one of us as Americans. Why not instead focus all the money on improving the skills of Americans as a whole to be more competitive in the global market instead of fighting it and digging our own graves? Pensions/severence packages/welfare my arse, we are jsut raising a country of giant pu***** that cant compete. What we need is to take al that $$$ wasted and to put it in improviing Americans.[/quote]
I'm not going to disagree with you. What does this mean? Better education. Look at the requirements to be a teacher - 6 years of college (bachelor's + master's degree). Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put into the classroom people who actually majored in mathematics and/or science, and who achieved 3.5's or better GPA's? The majority of those people are not going to go into teaching, when they can earn far greater salaries elsewhere. The result is that the teaching "profession" is filled with a mix of levels of qualifications. This, of course, varies to a degree by location. But, the problems are deep-rooted.
If a Chinese national is better at doing my job and the market determines that the loss in transporting whatever good he provides is less than the difference between value created in him doing the job rather than me, then he deserves it. It wouldn't be the first time I'd switch careers.
Of course, this is all hypothetical as I'll most likely have service jobs all my life
sandorski
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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
If a Chinese national is better at doing my job and the market determines that the loss in transporting whatever good he provides is less than the difference between value created in him doing the job rather than me, then he deserves it. It wouldn't be the first time I'd switch careers.
Of course, this is all hypothetical as I'll most likely have service jobs all my life
It's not that he is "better", it's that he'll work for $0.50 an hour.
QFTTTT
Same goes to outsourcing. The moniess used to be circulating in the US.
But now it circulates globaly... India and China are the only ones winning now.
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