Chineese express interest in buying American Auto Industry

[Stunt]

I would lose a lot of respect for China if they bought an American car company.

What a horrible business decision.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
First IBM Personal computers, then bidding for Unocal (got blocked by senate), now Chrysler.

China has slowly but surely creeped up on America.

Atelast we're buying their banking system and retailers!!! Go Wal Mart and bank Of America! Two that are invading CHina. It's not as though this is a one way street.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Shawn
I don't get why we don't eliminate unions in the US. They are supposed to help the people, but all they are doing is putting tons of american companies out of business because they can't compete. The Chinese can sell things for cheaper than it costs to manufacture in the US.

I guess because we're not supposed to be living in a totalitarian state.


I guess unions designed cars people didn't want to buy and made the poor business decisions that got the domestics in the position they're in.

With executive compensation dwarfing their previous levels and the levels of their foreign counterparts we could expect monies given back by the unions to be returned to the consumer...............NOT.


You'll see big changes in the next round of bargaining in 2008. I see health care, jobs banks being addressed.



And, I'm all for you being paid what a Chinese national gets to do your job. Tell me how that'll work out for you.

I saw the UAW on TV. Tehy basically said that aexecs are going to get what they have coming to them. Teh unions are fed up with executive compensation and thjey are drawing a line in the sand in 2008. This will be good for America!!

Wow, the first time ever that I fealt unions are a good thing!

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
First IBM Personal computers, then bidding for Unocal (got blocked by senate), now Chrysler.

China has slowly but surely creeped up on America.

Atelast we're buying their banking system and retailers!!! Go Wal Mart and bank Of America! Two that are invading CHina. It's not as though this is a one way street.

It is a one-way street from the labor standpoint. Wal-mart doesn't employ US workers in China; they line their coffers by using cheap Chinese labor to sell goods in China. If a Chinese company buys an American auto company, their first move will naturally be to move almost all non-sales operations overseas to lower costs. Production and operations moving from the US into China will never benefit the US worker. This is not an unqualified evil-- or rather it is only an unqualified evil in the absence of good social programs to support the US worker.

 

[fallensight]

The problem is the american companies are run by idiots. It is not the unions. WHo are the american car companies losing market to? the Japanese largly. The japanese move more and more of the production for thier cars into the US and the american companies move more of thier production to canada and mexico.

There is a difference in philosophy that is killing them. The american companies look at making and selling cars the same way they look at TVs. Make em cheep and sell a lot, thinking price is the overriding factor in picking a car. The japanese look at it more like a house. Build a better product that people will pay more for becuase they want that product and expect it last them.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Shawn
I don't get why we don't eliminate unions in the US. They are supposed to help the people, but all they are doing is putting tons of american companies out of business because they can't compete. The Chinese can sell things for cheaper than it costs to manufacture in the US.

I guess because we're not supposed to be living in a totalitarian state.


I guess unions designed cars people didn't want to buy and made the poor business decisions that got the domestics in the position they're in.

With executive compensation dwarfing their previous levels and the levels of their foreign counterparts we could expect monies given back by the unions to be returned to the consumer...............NOT.


You'll see big changes in the next round of bargaining in 2008. I see health care, jobs banks being addressed.



And, I'm all for you being paid what a Chinese national gets to do your job. Tell me how that'll work out for you.

That is just blaming others for your problem. How? You might say. Why shouldn't the American unions workers be more productive or get trained for other technical skills so that they can move on in this economy. To me the union workers are just bunch of lazy a**es who had a secured jobs that they don't want to leave or ever go find another type of jobs.

Face it, globalization is going to happen rather you like it or not. Get an education or technical skills training so that you can compete with others in the world's economy. Don't be a lazy a** and sit around and blame the world's supply of cheap labors.

How many union workers are sitting in GM and Ford job banks and getting paid to do NOTHING?! Unions were formed to protect workers from poor work enviornment in the 1920s, when there were like 0 labor laws. Now we have laws and regulators that protect the average workers from being abuse....unions are no longer efficient in today's economy.

What I'm saying is, the U.S. economy has changed to adapt the world, but the union workers haven't.....

The U.S. economy is adapting to the detriment of the U.S. worker. It doesn't make sense to look at the GNP or overall profit, when the profits are being shared less and less with the American people.

The natural result of this trend is lowered employment, or a lowered standard of employment. Many former computer workers now work at Wal-mart or McDonald's. If that's what you want for our society, you're nuts. We have to find a way to usefully and productively employ people-- everyone who is willing to work hard-- or we have become an unfair society. Bye bye, government for the people.

How is this lead to lower employment when our economy is at the lowest unemployment rate right about now?

It doesn't lead to lower standard of employment....it means get your a** up and get educated to become a skilled worker instead of sit home and wait for unemployment checks and unions to do something about your job (when you lose it).

There are plenty of accounting jobs around my area....but wait...are those GM and Ford UAW workers going to switch to become accountants even GM and Ford is paying them a salary and education?! No, they sit at home and blame globalization, blame CEO with big paycheck (how about you get train to be a manager instead of playing playstation at home?), blame illegal immigrants.

Many former computer workers are out of jobs because they are unwilling to learn anything new and just go out and hope there's a job for them. There are so many opportunities in this economy...but these union workers fail to realize it because they were so relied to their job security and pension...it was care free...they go to work...they don't have to think- that is why job security disappear...they fail to follow the trend.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: fallensight
The problem is the american companies are run by idiots. It is not the unions. WHo are the american car companies losing market to? the Japanese largly. The japanese move more and more of the production for thier cars into the US and the american companies move more of thier production to canada and mexico.

There is a difference in philosophy that is killing them. The american companies look at making and selling cars the same way they look at TVs. Make em cheep and sell a lot, thinking price is the overriding factor in picking a car. The japanese look at it more like a house. Build a better product that people will pay more for becuase they want that product and expect it last them.

The unions pension and related expense cost the American automakers boatload of money. Instead of spending money on R&D and engineers, they are spending money on pension and health care for the assembly workers....that led to inferior quality.

 

[Schadenfroh]

If china wants all the loses by Ford/GM/Chrysler, let them have them, they can bleed the Chinese government dry. Ford/GM/Chrysler lose more money than the Chinese automakers probably make in revenue.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
The chinese will dominate when they start offering their cars here. Even over Japanese cars, mark my words.

One of the first Chinese cars offered in Europe last year didn't fair so well. It earned a 0, the worst possible rating (and only given in this instance), for its crash test. That car did nothing to protect the driver, so at the moment, Chinese cars have a bit of work before being able to offered in America.

link to article

 

[igowerf]

What's the point of having two separate polls like that? I'm assuming you want to see if there's a difference in opinion on this issue between Americans and non-Americans. You should have made one poll with four options: yes/citizen, no/citizen, yes/not citizen, no/not citizen.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: mrrman
the next Super Power----China

When they stop buying t-bills and the reality of our foreign debt becomes apparent--it will be too late.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Shawn
I don't get why we don't eliminate unions in the US. They are supposed to help the people, but all they are doing is putting tons of american companies out of business because they can't compete. The Chinese can sell things for cheaper than it costs to manufacture in the US.

I guess because we're not supposed to be living in a totalitarian state.


I guess unions designed cars people didn't want to buy and made the poor business decisions that got the domestics in the position they're in.

With executive compensation dwarfing their previous levels and the levels of their foreign counterparts we could expect monies given back by the unions to be returned to the consumer...............NOT.


You'll see big changes in the next round of bargaining in 2008. I see health care, jobs banks being addressed.



And, I'm all for you being paid what a Chinese national gets to do your job. Tell me how that'll work out for you.

That is just blaming others for your problem. How? You might say. Why shouldn't the American unions workers be more productive or get trained for other technical skills so that they can move on in this economy. To me the union workers are just bunch of lazy a**es who had a secured jobs that they don't want to leave or ever go find another type of jobs.

Face it, globalization is going to happen rather you like it or not. Get an education or technical skills training so that you can compete with others in the world's economy. Don't be a lazy a** and sit around and blame the world's supply of cheap labors.

How many union workers are sitting in GM and Ford job banks and getting paid to do NOTHING?! Unions were formed to protect workers from poor work enviornment in the 1920s, when there were like 0 labor laws. Now we have laws and regulators that protect the average workers from being abuse....unions are no longer efficient in today's economy.

What I'm saying is, the U.S. economy has changed to adapt the world, but the union workers haven't.....

I am a skilled worker. I'm a diemaker and I have gone back to school and gotten a bachelors degree in Industrial Management (3.99GPA).

I would be glad to put my productivity and those of the bulk of my coworkers up against yours anytime. Don't get me wrong unions protect those of us that are unproductive, but who doesn't have some unproductive people at work?

I think you be surprised at the skill needed to make the parts in supplier plants, less so with assembly plants.

BTW-I don't have any cell protection, if I'm laid off all I get is 26 weeks of unemployment.

 

[cyclohexane]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I would lose a lot of respect for China if they bought an American car company.

What a horrible business decision.

qtf

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Shawn
I don't get why we don't eliminate unions in the US. They are supposed to help the people, but all they are doing is putting tons of american companies out of business because they can't compete. The Chinese can sell things for cheaper than it costs to manufacture in the US.

I guess because we're not supposed to be living in a totalitarian state.


I guess unions designed cars people didn't want to buy and made the poor business decisions that got the domestics in the position they're in.

With executive compensation dwarfing their previous levels and the levels of their foreign counterparts we could expect monies given back by the unions to be returned to the consumer...............NOT.


You'll see big changes in the next round of bargaining in 2008. I see health care, jobs banks being addressed.



And, I'm all for you being paid what a Chinese national gets to do your job. Tell me how that'll work out for you.

That is just blaming others for your problem. How? You might say. Why shouldn't the American unions workers be more productive or get trained for other technical skills so that they can move on in this economy. To me the union workers are just bunch of lazy a**es who had a secured jobs that they don't want to leave or ever go find another type of jobs.

Face it, globalization is going to happen rather you like it or not. Get an education or technical skills training so that you can compete with others in the world's economy. Don't be a lazy a** and sit around and blame the world's supply of cheap labors.

How many union workers are sitting in GM and Ford job banks and getting paid to do NOTHING?! Unions were formed to protect workers from poor work enviornment in the 1920s, when there were like 0 labor laws. Now we have laws and regulators that protect the average workers from being abuse....unions are no longer efficient in today's economy.

What I'm saying is, the U.S. economy has changed to adapt the world, but the union workers haven't.....

The U.S. economy is adapting to the detriment of the U.S. worker. It doesn't make sense to look at the GNP or overall profit, when the profits are being shared less and less with the American people.

The natural result of this trend is lowered employment, or a lowered standard of employment. Many former computer workers now work at Wal-mart or McDonald's. If that's what you want for our society, you're nuts. We have to find a way to usefully and productively employ people-- everyone who is willing to work hard-- or we have become an unfair society. Bye bye, government for the people.

How is this lead to lower employment when our economy is at the lowest unemployment rate right about now?

It doesn't lead to lower standard of employment....it means get your a** up and get educated to become a skilled worker instead of sit home and wait for unemployment checks and unions to do something about your job (when you lose it).

There are plenty of accounting jobs around my area....but wait...are those GM and Ford UAW workers going to switch to become accountants even GM and Ford is paying them a salary and education?! No, they sit at home and blame globalization, blame CEO with big paycheck (how about you get train to be a manager instead of playing playstation at home?), blame illegal immigrants.

Many former computer workers are out of jobs because they are unwilling to learn anything new and just go out and hope there's a job for them. There are so many opportunities in this economy...but these union workers fail to realize it because they were so relied to their job security and pension...it was care free...they go to work...they don't have to think- that is why job security disappear...they fail to follow the trend.

Yours is a specious argument. The vast majority of laid-off workers do not get their educations paid for by former employers. An attempt to imply such is laughable.

You can start by reading my post, and learning some logic; then you won't get confused when you see an OR condition and write, "How is this lead [sic] to lower employment when our economy is at the lowest unemployment rate right about now?".

It doesn't lead to lower standard of employment....it means get your a** up and get educated to become a skilled worker instead of sit home and wait for unemployment checks and unions to do something about your job (when you lose it).

The vast majority of laid-off workers in IT, for instance, would laugh uproariously at your joke. Many of them were laid off with no warning, and six months' worth of reduced income afforded by unemployment wages did not allow them to replace their careers with comparable opportunities. How many college educations are granted in six months? Your argument here couldn't be any more stupid. It is absolutely stupid.

You fail completely to realize that there are huge costs in getting a college education, and in retooling oneself to prepare for a new career. Unemployment only supplies part of previous earnings, and the loss of income goes on for years as the too-expensive college education is sought. That's exactly why white-collar people wind up working for Wal-mart, and why your argument will never convince anyone except for those who are already wholeheartedly in favor of offshoring. Anyone WITHOUT blinders will merely laugh.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: herbiehancock

Chineese express interest in buying American Auto Industry

So, I read the linked article, Googer, but I never did see anywhere within anything related to your sensationalist thread title. Just wonder where the Chinese interest in buying out the American Auto Industry was........all I saw was an article about Chrysler, not the American Auto Industry, and their financial problems of late. The entire article, about Chrysler's "sale", was speculation because of a statement from a corp. exec. responding to a question from a reporter. DaimlerChrysler came out stating there was no sale pending after rampant speculation from Uebber's comments.

Maybe it was this section:

There is also the possibility of a Chinese buyer interested in the Dodge and Jeep brands and wanting to make its mark on the American auto industry, he said.

But Phillippi and others are skeptical.

?I don?t necessarily think they would feel comfortable taking on the kind of union contracts that Chrysler, GM and Ford have to work under,? he said.

Charlie Hughes, former head of Mazda and Land Rover, agrees the Chinese are in no position to take over America?s third-largest automaker.

?The Chinese don?t have the technical capability nor the ability to sell cars the way the Chrysler team has,? said Hughes, who authored ?Branding Iron,? on the failing U.S. auto industry.

?The company being purchased would know more about what they are doing than the company purchasing them. When somebody outright buys you, they may have the money, but they don?t have the experience. It could be a very difficult business to manage,? he said.


But I guess you missed the bolded part above.

And Chrysler is not the American Auto Industry. Sorry.

It's googer, he'd like to see every chinese person rot in hell.

I never once said that and I do not appreciate you starting rumors. However, I am a propnent of creating and preserving jobs in the USA; especially manufacturing. I am oposed to the Chineese (nation) taking over our buisness and country. George Washington wanted us to remain independant and self sustaining so that we did not have to rely on other nations for our needs. He warned us about making deals with forign nations and said that it would be bad for us. I just so happen to agree with him and it's not because he is a "Founding Father".

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: mrrman
the next Super Power----China

We can thank Richard Nixon for that.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
If china wants all the loses by Ford/GM/Chrysler, let them have them, they can bleed the Chinese government dry. Ford/GM/Chrysler lose more money than the Chinese automakers probably make in revenue.

Um, no. If the Chineese took over, all US workers would loose their pensions, healthcare, and benefits. Then the BIG three would start to make a profit under chineese control. Later on manufacturing would be transferd to China where wages are almost non-existant.

The Chineese Communist Goverment manitains a large controlling share of nearly every buisness in China. The big three would be no expection from that.

We need the big three. Our national defence system depends on GM, Ford, and Chrysler to build our Tanks, Guns, Hummers, and other war related items in a time of urgency. With out them or with them in controll of a foreign goverment. So when the day comes that China decides to invade Los Angeles or the US need to invade North Korea; the USA would be totaly defenceless or incapable of mounting an attack. It's all part of a broader plan by a forign goverment to harm this nation and turn it's revered mighty powers to it's knees. They make it no seceret, China has said they want the US to be stirpped of it's abilities.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

article from last augest
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006608210329

Chrysler has issued 16 recalls this year covering nearly 1.8 million cars and trucks -- more than any other automaker, according to a Free Press analysis of federal data.

Although Chrysler says it sees no trend of an increase in recalls, more could be on the way: Federal safety regulators have 12 investigations under way related to Chrysler vehicles, including reports of stalling engines, puncture-prone fuel tanks and seats that catch fire even though they're not power seats.

hmmm, i wonder why people aren't buying them...

 

[Aftermath]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
If china wants all the loses by Ford/GM/Chrysler, let them have them, they can bleed the Chinese government dry. Ford/GM/Chrysler lose more money than the Chinese automakers probably make in revenue.

Um, no. If the Chineese took over, all US workers would loose their pensions, healthcare, and benefits. Then the BIG three would start to make a profit under chineese control. Later on manufacturing would be transferd to China where wages are almost non-existant.

The Chineese Communist Goverment manitains a large controlling share of nearly every buisness in China. The big three would be no expection from that.

We need the big three. Our national defence system depends on GM, Ford, and Chrysler to build our Tanks, Guns, Hummers, and other war related items in a time of urgency. With out them or with them in controll of a foreign goverment. So when the day comes that China decides to invade Los Angeles or the US need to invade North Korea; the USA would be totaly defenceless or incapable of mounting an attack. It's all part of a broader plan by a forign goverment to harm this nation and turn it's revered mighty powers to it's knees. They make it no seceret, China has said they want the US to be stirpped of it's abilities.

That's actually something I've taken into deep consideration lately. I try not to go for the doomsday scenarios, but I did reflect a lot on my choices in vehicles. I know I used to come in here ranting on about what a POS my Grand Marquis was, and how it turned me against domestics as a whole. I bashed all domestics in a very generalized way based on my personal experience with a single used Ford over the course of a couple of years and 20,000 miles or so.

I would say there's a lot more to take into consideration when thinking about buying a new car than stereotypes and whatever Edmunds.com tells you. Especially when Ford and GM (especially GM) is taking such huge strides with their vehicles lately to turn them around. They still have a ways to go. They're not making any real class leaders yet, but they're making a lot of improvements.

It also bugs me a lot (and I noticed this in the Taurus thread lately) how many people base their opinions on cars off of rentals. Especially when it comes to bandwagon-bashing a generic, cheap, vanilla Ford sedan.

 

[sandorski]

The US is For Sale. It's the price of Foreign Financing of the Federal Government.

If a Chinese company buys Chrysler, don't expect Chryslers to be manufactured in the US. They'll pack up everything into crates, ship it to China, and build factories. Chryslers will be shipped back ultra cheap and sell like hotcakes.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Shawn
I don't get why we don't eliminate unions in the US. They are supposed to help the people, but all they are doing is putting tons of american companies out of business because they can't compete. The Chinese can sell things for cheaper than it costs to manufacture in the US.

I guess because we're not supposed to be living in a totalitarian state.


I guess unions designed cars people didn't want to buy and made the poor business decisions that got the domestics in the position they're in.

With executive compensation dwarfing their previous levels and the levels of their foreign counterparts we could expect monies given back by the unions to be returned to the consumer...............NOT.


You'll see big changes in the next round of bargaining in 2008. I see health care, jobs banks being addressed.



And, I'm all for you being paid what a Chinese national gets to do your job. Tell me how that'll work out for you.

A Chinese national doing comparable work and doing it where I'm doing it? Sure thing...

The only issue is that I continually to improve. I focus my efforts on additional training and education, so that Chinese national is going to have to work pretty hard to keep up.

 

[Geocentricity]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
The chinese will dominate when they start offering their cars here. Even over Japanese cars, mark my words.

The RC cars I use to buy at Radio Shack were made in China.... I'll pass on the made in China cars that run on gasoline.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Shawn
I don't get why we don't eliminate unions in the US. They are supposed to help the people, but all they are doing is putting tons of american companies out of business because they can't compete. The Chinese can sell things for cheaper than it costs to manufacture in the US.

I guess because we're not supposed to be living in a totalitarian state.


I guess unions designed cars people didn't want to buy and made the poor business decisions that got the domestics in the position they're in.

With executive compensation dwarfing their previous levels and the levels of their foreign counterparts we could expect monies given back by the unions to be returned to the consumer...............NOT.


You'll see big changes in the next round of bargaining in 2008. I see health care, jobs banks being addressed.



And, I'm all for you being paid what a Chinese national gets to do your job. Tell me how that'll work out for you.

That is just blaming others for your problem. How? You might say. Why shouldn't the American unions workers be more productive or get trained for other technical skills so that they can move on in this economy. To me the union workers are just bunch of lazy a**es who had a secured jobs that they don't want to leave or ever go find another type of jobs.

Face it, globalization is going to happen rather you like it or not. Get an education or technical skills training so that you can compete with others in the world's economy. Don't be a lazy a** and sit around and blame the world's supply of cheap labors.

How many union workers are sitting in GM and Ford job banks and getting paid to do NOTHING?! Unions were formed to protect workers from poor work enviornment in the 1920s, when there were like 0 labor laws. Now we have laws and regulators that protect the average workers from being abuse....unions are no longer efficient in today's economy.

What I'm saying is, the U.S. economy has changed to adapt the world, but the union workers haven't.....

Well, I hope when there is no manufacturing in your new economy, China doesn't decide to make the US a Chinese territory.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

welcome to the global economy. If we can't adapt, screw us. We need to adapt to the world economy, and thing globally. We shouldn't think so US-centrically, and think about what we can do to play with the current system and take advantage of every opportunity.

No matter how much we hate it, we have to accept that we are now a part of the human economy, and not the US economy.

I guess a more "optimistic" view is that new Cisco commercial. Instead of bitching and moaning, let's strive and do our best to make our human economy to prosper. Take action, don't just sit there and bitch.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: herbiehancock

Chineese express interest in buying American Auto Industry

So, I read the linked article, Googer, but I never did see anywhere within anything related to your sensationalist thread title. Just wonder where the Chinese interest in buying out the American Auto Industry was........all I saw was an article about Chrysler, not the American Auto Industry, and their financial problems of late. The entire article, about Chrysler's "sale", was speculation because of a statement from a corp. exec. responding to a question from a reporter. DaimlerChrysler came out stating there was no sale pending after rampant speculation from Uebber's comments.

Maybe it was this section:

There is also the possibility of a Chinese buyer interested in the Dodge and Jeep brands and wanting to make its mark on the American auto industry, he said.

But Phillippi and others are skeptical.

?I don?t necessarily think they would feel comfortable taking on the kind of union contracts that Chrysler, GM and Ford have to work under,? he said.

Charlie Hughes, former head of Mazda and Land Rover, agrees the Chinese are in no position to take over America?s third-largest automaker.

?The Chinese don?t have the technical capability nor the ability to sell cars the way the Chrysler team has,? said Hughes, who authored ?Branding Iron,? on the failing U.S. auto industry.

?The company being purchased would know more about what they are doing than the company purchasing them. When somebody outright buys you, they may have the money, but they don?t have the experience. It could be a very difficult business to manage,? he said.


But I guess you missed the bolded part above.

And Chrysler is not the American Auto Industry. Sorry.

It's googer, he'd like to see every chinese person rot in hell.

I never once said that and I do not appreciate you starting rumors. However, I am a propnent of creating and preserving jobs in the USA; especially manufacturing. I am oposed to the Chineese (nation) taking over our buisness and country. George Washington wanted us to remain independant and self sustaining so that we did not have to rely on other nations for our needs. He warned us about making deals with forign nations and said that it would be bad for us. I just so happen to agree with him and it's not because he is a "Founding Father".

You also know who believed in self-sustaining economies. Karl Marx. Let me know how that experiment went. We live in a global economy. It is impossible to be self-sustaining and it is stupid to think that in a capitalist driven economy, we should forego an economic advantage when it is at our feet. Outsourcing is but a natural trend in capitalism and free market economies. If it can be had for less, then people will buy the same product for less.

Does this, if done too quickly, create extreme poverty in the working class? Sure, but then tough s***. Welcome to life. It is not fair and you cannot anticipate everything. Make a bad decision 10 years ago that is affecting you now? You made the decision, live with it. Do not expect me to support you just like I would not expect you to support me. Just like in nature and evolution/natural selection, you must adapt or go the way of the dodo.

You cannot stop change, just cope with it. The way it should be done is we do gradually outsource and then instead of providing the outsourced severance pay and welfare checks, we give them an opportunity for further education?

Truthfully, are you telling me that expect for a select few, that should be allowed to keep their jobs and be out phased gradually(such as those close to retirement), everyone else cannot succeed with different jobs given the proper opportunities? How many assembly line workers would not be successful manage a factory in china or learn automotive technician skills and work in the understaffed auto repair industry?

Fighting outsourcing is just creating an inefficient economy that is screwing every one of us as Americans. Why not instead focus all the money on improving the skills of Americans as a whole to be more competitive in the global market instead of fighting it and digging our own graves? Pensions/severence packages/welfare my arse, we are jsut raising a country of giant pu***** that cant compete. What we need is to take al that $$$ wasted and to put it in improviing Americans.