China's one child policy

[UglyCasanova]

What is your opinion on China's one child policy?

The arguments that I've mainly heard regarding it revolve around reproductive rights and the state shouldn't be telling individuals how many children they can have. I would imagine forcing an abortion on a mother that didn't want one is one of the most cruel and traumatic things she will ever go through. It also has the adverse side effect of a population heavily weighted towards males since they kill the female babies since they can only have one, but I think this is not really an effect of the policy in and of itself but the culture and what it values in which the policy has been put in place.

That said China is the most populous country in the world and this is definitely action on the very real problem of overpopulation. I do think that a state has the right to address such issues, and I wish the rest of the world would realize the problem as well.

 

[alcoholbob]

I would imagine forcing an abortion on a mother that didn't want one is one of the most cruel and traumatic things she will ever go through.

Is this the leftist definition of "forcing?" aka the Chinese government won't pay for healthcare and schooling of more than one child, therefore it's forcing an abortion? Kind of like if everyone in the US doesn't pay for women's contraception it is forcing women to undue hardship and violating women's civil rights?

 

[quikah]

Is this the leftist definition of "forcing?" aka the Chinese government won't pay for healthcare and schooling of more than one child, therefore it's forcing an abortion? Kind of like if everyone in the US doesn't pay for women's contraception it is forcing women to undue hardship and violating women's civil rights?

Most likely just ignorance. The penalty is a fine, pretty hefty. There are a lot of exemptions these days.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Ok I thought they would actually force that upon them, my mistake. I swore I read that in a book, China Road.

 

[zanejohnson]

it's just propoganda.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Ok I thought they would actually force that upon them, my mistake. I swore I read that in a book, China Road.

I have Chinese friends that come from large families. The way it works is that if you have one child the government provides a lot of assistance. If you have more they not only provide zero assistance for the additional children but they cut off the assistance to the first one.

Therefore only the rich have more than one kid.

 

[brycejones]

Is this the leftist definition of "forcing?" aka the Chinese government won't pay for healthcare and schooling of more than one child, therefore it's forcing an abortion? Kind of like if everyone in the US doesn't pay for women's contraception it is forcing women to undue hardship and violating women's civil rights?

WTF are you babbling about? For the record its conservatives who are most likely to rail against the one child policy and stories of forced abortions.

 

[zanejohnson]

holy crap people really dont understand the definitions of conservatism and liberalism.

it would be a CONSERVATIVE argument AGAINST the state INTERFERING in the lives of the public.
because CONSERVATIVE IDEALOGY WHEN APPLIED TO GOVERNMENT, means, the GOVERNMENT IS CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS IT'S DEALINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.

in this case, the government of CHINA is acting LIBERAL WITH IT'S DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC.

 

[Spungo]

I have Chinese friends that come from large families. The way it works is that if you have one child the government provides a lot of assistance. If you have more they not only provide zero assistance for the additional children but they cut off the assistance to the first one.

Therefore only the rich have more than one kid.

Hmm that's an interesting policy. I would never suggest a policy like this in real life, but it's one of those things I would love to do in Sim City just to see what happens.

 

[DigDog]

methinx the 1cp probably saved them from disaster and it's what's allowing them today to compete internationally.

 

[FaaR]

it would be a CONSERVATIVE argument AGAINST the state INTERFERING in the lives of the public.

Right. That's what the propaganda spinsters usually barf up on this subject, but when it all comes down to it, conservatives are more likely than anyone to use the power of government to quash that or those they deem unfitting in society. Conservatives = authoritarians. Root word of liberalism springs out of "liberty" - draw your own conclusions (if you are able.)

in this case, the government of CHINA is acting LIBERAL WITH IT'S DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC.

Lol wtf. China isn't a "liberal" nation in any sense of the word. It's an opressive police state dictatorship. Stop lying, please.

 

[Atreus21]

What is your opinion on China's one child policy?

The arguments that I've mainly heard regarding it revolve around reproductive rights and the state shouldn't be telling individuals how many children they can have. I would imagine forcing an abortion on a mother that didn't want one is one of the most cruel and traumatic things she will ever go through. It also has the adverse side effect of a population heavily weighted towards males since they kill the female babies since they can only have one, but I think this is not really an effect of the policy in and of itself but the culture and what it values in which the policy has been put in place.

That said China is the most populous country in the world and this is definitely action on the very real problem of overpopulation. I do think that a state has the right to address such issues, and I wish the rest of the world would realize the problem as well.

My opinion is that they're going to be forced to drop it because of demographics, compounded by a tendency to favor baby boys over girls.

It's also barbaric.

 

[Sonikku]

China isn't FORCING you to only have one kid. They're just asking you to choose whether or not you want your kid to have basic access to healthcare and education.

holy crap people really dont understand the definitions of conservatism and liberalism.

it would be a CONSERVATIVE argument AGAINST the state INTERFERING in the lives of the public.
because CONSERVATIVE IDEALOGY WHEN APPLIED TO GOVERNMENT, means, the GOVERNMENT IS CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS IT'S DEALINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.

in this case, the government of CHINA is acting LIBERAL WITH IT'S DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC.

This. China is about as Liberal as it gets. :hmm:

 

[Newell Steamer]

,... liberals are now fascists capitalists, masquerading as communists, forcing abortions on people - OK.

 

[bshole]

holy crap people really dont understand the definitions of conservatism and liberalism.

it would be a CONSERVATIVE argument AGAINST the state INTERFERING in the lives of the public.
because CONSERVATIVE IDEALOGY WHEN APPLIED TO GOVERNMENT, means, the GOVERNMENT IS CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS IT'S DEALINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.

in this case, the government of CHINA is acting LIBERAL WITH IT'S DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC.

Riiiigggghhht!?!?! When conservatives attempt to have the federal government intefere with a woman's right to have an abortion here in America, they are acting like liberals?

 

[nageov3t]

seems like bad policy to me and is creating a generation of Chinese where the males are likely going to vastly outnumber the females.

overpopulation is a self-correcting problem and not one that we have to be terribly concerned about in the US at least (iirc, population in America would actually be declining due to lowering birthrates if not for immigration)

 

[soulcougher73]

He who pays the bills, makes the laws. Im ok with that.

 

[doubledeluxe]

seems like bad policy to me and is creating a generation of Chinese where the males are likely going to vastly outnumber the females.

overpopulation is a self-correcting problem and not one that we have to be terribly concerned about in the US at least (iirc, population in America would actually be declining due to lowering birthrates if not for immigration)

I posted in another thread I think but yes it has created an interesting social dynamic where young women are flocking to the older, more established, and wealthier males. It was very common to see 20 year old women with 40 year old men. Or older. At first you might think it's creepy but it makes sense considering women want stability.

I would absolutely hate to be a 25 year old male in China today.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Riiiigggghhht!?!?! When conservatives attempt to have the federal government intefere with a woman's right to have an abortion here in America, they are acting like liberals?

:thumbsup:

,... niiiiiiice,...

 

[peonyu]

Most countries could use that rule today, look at this population graph from 1900 and compare it to today...There is NO way the planet can continue to increase like that. Only the Western World has its population in check, and the third world has pretty nothing in check.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1900

Qing Empire [China] 415,001,488 [1.4 Billion today]
Brazil 17,000,000 [Its 204 million today]
Mexico 12,000,000 [122 million today, 160million if you count Mexican-Americans]
Egypt 8,000,000 [82 million today]

Pretty much every third world country is expanding like that, even today. The Chinese were imo, wise to implement such a policy at the time in the 1970s, since there is no way a population that was doubling every 20 years could ever become stable or even offer a half decent living standard to its people. The rule is outdated now since the people are educated today...Cant say the same for India or the vast majority of other third world countries.

Btw, China's population was projected to be 3-4 Billion today without that policy in place. Think about how much poorer everyone would be there if that happened, and how the environment would be even more damaged in that country. The only folks who would be happy about that would be big business who could hire Chinese laborers for 5 cents a hour instead of 20 cents a hour like it is today..

 

[Blue_Max]

...and then there's cultural-takeover breeding... the ones who have 6-8 babies simply so their sheer numbers will allow them to take control of the countries they slowly invade.

A policy like China's would be a great idea... assistance/benefits for the first 1-2, 3-4 have penalties, then 4-5+ have hefty penalties.

[sigh] Of course, people will always find the loopholes or simply go underground and not document any of their little zerglings. I wonder how China enforced that law?

 

[Olikan]

Most countries could use that rule today, look at this population graph from 1900 and compare it to today...There is NO way the planet can continue to increase like that. Only the Western World has its population in check, and the third world has pretty nothing in check.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1900

Qing Empire [China] 415,001,488 [1.4 Billion today]
Brazil 17,000,000 [Its 204 million today]
Mexico 12,000,000 [122 million today, 160million if you count Mexican-Americans]
Egypt 8,000,000 [82 million today]

Pretty much every third world country is expanding like that, even today.

as a Brazilian, i have to say...
our Birth Rate have dropped massively, in less than 10 years
from ~6 kids per woman to <2... it is now lower than in the United States

 

[manimal]

Chinas one child policy has been an abject failure and has stunted the growth of Chinas economy. If they ended now it would take generations for their gene pool to recover. China will have a negative population growth in our lifetimes because of it. It may be too late however as their demographics have changed and current Chinese Han no longer want multiple children as they become affluent.


There arent enough single women in china. So many girl first born have been aborted that China is heavily sausage fest laden


ps deng xiopang is a mass murderer

 

[Svnla]

I posted in another thread I think but yes it has created an interesting social dynamic where young women are flocking to the older, more established, and wealthier males. It was very common to see 20 year old women with 40 year old men. Or older. At first you might think it's creepy but it makes sense considering women want stability.

I would absolutely hate to be a 25 year old male in China today.

If you are not from a rich/well to do family(connections) or smart enough to get in china top universities, you are screwed as a young guy in china.

I think I read somewhere that a guy needs (rule of 3) - a nice apartment, a good paying job, and a nice car so he can have a mate in china.

A little reading about "bride price" = http://www.npr.org/2013/04/23/176326713/for-chinese-women-marriage-depends-on-right-bride-price

&#8220;&#8230;China will face a growing number of young men who will never marry due to the country&#8217;s one-child policy, which has resulted in a reported birth ratio of almost 120 boys for every 100 girls&#8230;By 2030, projections suggest that more than 25% of Chinese men in their late 30s will never have married. The coming marriage squeeze will likely be even more acute in the Chinese countryside, since the poor, uneducated and rural population will be more likely to lose out in the competition for brides.&#8221;

1 out of 4 males will not be able to find a wife = http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-problem-of-too-many-single-men/

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Riiiigggghhht!?!?! When conservatives attempt to have the federal government intefere with a woman's right to have an abortion here in America, they are acting like liberals?

Seems to me that conservatives are more likely to have a libertarian streak than liberals. Am I right?