China's New Stealth Fighter

[cabri]

So many resources spend on useless tools for an insecure world. God, when will we give it up and just work together? Too primitive for that still.
If we worked together, we could have a global mars base in 20 years. But no, we won't do that. It seems its a better idea to waste brains, money and material making sure we can kill each other efficiently.
This war shit is getting old. Its stupid now.

As long as one country/group is interested in something that another has and/or controlling there will be conflicts; conflicts are resulting in an insecure world.

Groups will work together as long as they feel that it will benefit themselves more than the others.

Self preservation comes first.

 

[Thebobo]

So many resources spend on useless tools for an insecure world. God, when will we give it up and just work together? Too primitive for that still.
If we worked together, we could have a global mars base in 20 years. But no, we won't do that. It seems its a better idea to waste brains, money and material making sure we can kill each other efficiently.
This war shit is getting old. Its stupid now.

Yea no shit we should declare war on war!

Kill all the radicals!

But you are right.

 

[norseamd]

You all realize that there has not been a major war between nuclear countries since like forever?

 

[5150Joker]

Probably right,A-10's, F-18s and F-15, and F-16's would have been just perfectly fine a long time now, DOD should be working on UAVs rather then the F-35 these days.

Have an overabundance of "high tech" planes these days, Ospreys should never have been made IMHO, they are a huge waste of tax dollars.

Lots of money down the tubes rather than making drone fighter planes to be honest to me, in the future they would be able to pull way more G's and etc.

F-35 is a big waste of money to me, and I have done a lot of aerospace over the years.

And what happens to those awesome drones when China or Russia shoots down the satellites controlling them? Then guys like you would wish the F35 existed to save your ass.

 

[MongGrel]

You done "a lot of aerospace over the years" ,yet you think that designs from the 70s are going to be able to survive in any future conflict involving modern SAM technology from Russia and China? lol ok

I do feel you are correct in your view on drones, but these claims I keep hearing of America's supremacy in the skies where even our older stuff is a match for 5th gen fighters and interceptors are just ridiculous. The Russians in particular are currently outclassing us in air-to-air weapons, and have achieved parity or supremacy regarding detection systems. They've mitigated the shoot first advantage Raptor has already, supposedly. The middle of a war is no time to play catch up, and air supremacy is so vital that once you lose it you might not get it back.

Even the upgraded BUFFS (B-52's) still outclass a lot of aircraft.

Used to do a lot of work on those, airframes that are solid can be made more efficient electronics wise.

Avionics can be upgraded you know.

More like from the 80's I guess, but splitting hairs there.

As far as war goes, if someone starts shit you have to deal with it in some form or be subjugated.

 

[Svnla]

So many resources spend on useless tools for an insecure world. God, when will we give it up and just work together? Too primitive for that still.
If we worked together, we could have a global mars base in 20 years. But no, we won't do that. It seems its a better idea to waste brains, money and material making sure we can kill each other efficiently.
This war shit is getting old. Its stupid now.

Why don't you tell the chinese that.

Bully china is the one that claim 90% of the South of china Sea. No one on Earth can be that stupid or greedy. Bully china invaded and annexed smaller neighbors such as Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia.

Imagine Iran is claiming 90% of the Persian Gulf or India is claiming 90% of the Indian Ocean.

 

[norseamd]

Bully china is the one that claim 90% of the South of china Sea. No one on Earth can be that stupid or greedy. Bully china invaded and annexed smaller neighbors such as Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia.

The ROC is also claiming those areas so to consider it a PRC problem is not accurate.

 

[Svnla]

The ROC is also claiming those areas so to consider it a PRC problem is not accurate.

ROC did not attack unarmed fishermen and demand ransom money as PRC. ROC did attack the neighbors at Paracels, Spratlys, and Scarborough as PRC did. ROC did not demand the neighbors to stop fishing in the sea as it owned the whole sea as PRC did. Do you want me to go on?

 

[norseamd]

ROC did not attack unarmed fishermen and demand ransom money as PRC. ROC did attack the neighbors at Paracels, Spratlys, and Scarborough as PRC did. ROC did not demand the neighbors to stop fishing in the sea as it owned the whole sea as PRC did. Do you want me to go on?

Yes but Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia were probably already under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty and even for the last 2 or 3 millennia while Tibet has been under Chinese control earlier in Chinese history and the ROC may well have also invaded Tibet if they had won the Chinese Civil War.

 

[norseamd]

Even the upgraded BUFFS (B-52's) still outclass a lot of aircraft. Used to do a lot of work on those, airframes that are solid can be made more efficient electronics wise. Avionics can be upgraded you know. More like from the 80's I guess, but splitting hairs there. As far as war goes, if someone starts shit you have to deal with it in some form or be subjugated.

Can B-52s carry AAMs? Would AWACS and AAM armed B-52s be able to deal with J-20s, PAK FA, Mig 35s, Typhoons, or Flankers?

 

[Svnla]

Yes but Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia were probably already under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty and even for the last 2 or 3 millennia while Tibet has been under Chinese control earlier in Chinese history and the ROC may well have also invaded Tibet if they had won the Chinese Civil War.

By that logic, then china should belong to Japan (parts), UK (parts), Machu (whole), Mongolia (whole), china whined about what Japan did in WW2 and the "century of humiliation" yet it did and do the same things to smaller neighbors.

 

[OverVolt]

You all realize that there has not been a major war between nuclear countries since like forever?

Yea. We'd have gone to WWIII years ago with Russia and China. Thats actually why the economy is retarded. Weak ideology, weak policies, and weak leadership are allowed to just fester on both sides.

It'd be kind of hard for China to copy our tech when the only glimpse of it they get is when its firing a missile at them.

 

[norseamd]

By that logic, then china should belong to Japan (parts), UK (parts), Machu (whole), Mongolia (whole), china whined about what Japan did in WW2 and the "century of humiliation" yet it did and do the same things to smaller neighbors.

The ROC is still claiming those territories by the way.

 

[Svnla]

The ROC is still claiming those territories by the way.

And yet PRC or ROC would not dare to claim this (600,000 square kilometres (231,660 sq mi) of land from China that Russia took by force) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Aigun

Kicking butts on the small ones yet kissing and licking asses on the big ones, would not dare to do anything or even say a word.

 

[rommelrommel]

The ROC is still claiming those territories by the way.

There's a big difference between making a legal claim and using extralegal means to enforce your claim. Taiwan is sure as shit not invading anyone this century. Can you say that for the PRC?

 

[Svnla]

There's a big difference between making a legal claim and using extralegal means to enforce your claim. Taiwan is sure as shit not invading anyone this century. Can you say that for the PRC?

Exactly. Since the end of WWII, bully commie china was the ONLY one that use force to attack neighbors.

 

[kage69]

Even the upgraded BUFFS (B-52's) still outclass a lot of aircraft.

That doesn't even begin to address what I wrote. I realize you have a hard on for the B-52, you bring them up enough and are now trying to act like it's somehow the end all be all representation of American air supremacy?
The B-52's achievements and value are in no way proof of the point you are trying to make, nor does it disprove what I posted.

Used to do a lot of work on those, airframes that are solid can be made more efficient electronics wise.

Not sure I believe that given what I've seen you already post, maybe you should start to sound like it? A generic non sequitur, well shit, I'll bet you have your own hangar now...

Avionics can be upgraded you know.

Your little bundle of reduced-to-absurd-straw here is noted. 0/10

More like from the 80's I guess, but splitting hairs there.

I think you need to give the aviation threads a break for awhile, maybe read a book or six on you know. The old days.


A-10 First flight, May 10th, 1972
F-16 First flight, January 20th, 1974
F-18 First flight, November 18th, 1978
F-15 First flight, July 27th, 1972

As far as war goes, if someone starts shit you have to deal with it in some form or be subjugated.

You tell'em Sun Tzu!

 

[cabri]

You done "a lot of aerospace over the years" ,yet you think that designs from the 70s are going to be able to survive in any future conflict involving modern SAM technology from Russia and China? lol ok

I do feel you are correct in your view on drones, but these claims I keep hearing of America's supremacy in the skies where even our older stuff is a match for 5th gen fighters and interceptors are just ridiculous. The Russians in particular are currently outclassing us in air-to-air weapons, and have achieved parity or supremacy regarding detection systems. They've mitigated the shoot first advantage Raptor has already, supposedly. The middle of a war is no time to play catch up, and air supremacy is so vital that once you lose it you might not get it back.

One problem is that up to this point, the Western designed/manufactured equipment when put up against the Russian/Chinese equipment has stood up in actual combat situations. Some has been the equipment, some kudos go to the training and support cast.

India which has both Russian and Western equipment has not reported an advantage.

The Russian aircraft have looked good on paper but have not been combat tested. Remember how powerful one of their MIGs looked until there was an actual inspection of such as a result of a defection

The Chinese equipment has yet to be tested, same with Iran.

There has been no live combat between systems outside of the Middle East in the past 20-30 years.

The Russians have not exported their best (that I am aware of) and the quality of their customers has continually been shown to be suspect.

 

[calyco]

i'd like to see it in a fight with iran's stealth fighter

I would like to see it in action period Its like that snobby kid in elementary school - "look at my new toy but dont touch it, you'll break it!"

 

[norseamd]

Not sure if a private defense program is comparable to a PRC military program. My guess is that the J-20 is more than a hunk of junk.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/art...lth_fighter_could_get_much_better_107554.html

 

[rommelrommel]

Not sure if a private defense program is comparable to a PRC military program. My guess is that the J-20 is more than a hunk of junk.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/art...lth_fighter_could_get_much_better_107554.html

Lol. Mock up looks promising so it's comparable to a F35.

 

[MongGrel]

That doesn't even begin to address what I wrote. I realize you have a hard on for the B-52, you bring them up enough and are now trying to act like it's somehow the end all be all representation of American air supremacy?
The B-52's achievements and value are in no way proof of the point you are trying to make, nor does it disprove what I posted.




Not sure I believe that given what I've seen you already post, maybe you should start to sound like it? A generic non sequitur, well shit, I'll bet you have your own hangar now...




Your little bundle of reduced-to-absurd-straw here is noted. 0/10



I think you need to give the aviation threads a break for awhile, maybe read a book or six on you know. The old days.


A-10 First flight, May 10th, 1972
F-16 First flight, January 20th, 1974
F-18 First flight, November 18th, 1978
F-15 First flight, July 27th, 1972





You tell'em Sun Tzu!

Heh, keep flailing away there.

*cough*

Those ole T-95's still seem to be hanging about with escorts, that Chinese thing seems to barely stay in the air with no ordinance unless the afterburners on, and bleeds energy even worse in turns.

You seem to think I have no appreciation at all for B-1s and B-2s, I worked on components for those also.

 

[kage69]

Heh, keep flailing away there.

*cough*

Those ole T-95's still seem to be hanging about with escorts, that Chinese thing seems to barely stay in the air with no ordinance unless the afterburners on, and bleeds energy even worse in turns.

You seem to think I have no appreciation at all for B-1s and B-2s, I worked on components for those also.

Heheh, what's to flail against? All you've done is act like a poser, scared to answer questions that invalidate your blathering, jettisoning duhversions and straw while you scramble away from ignorant comments you made. Your replies never seem to have any content that applies to the thread subject, why is that?

Instead of actually trying to support your position, even feebly, you'd rather just regurgitate points from the OP story and post absurdly generic comments hoping to make it sound insightful. Really?

Piss poor troll-fu son. I am disappoint.

 

[OverVolt]

You done "a lot of aerospace over the years" ,yet you think that designs from the 70s are going to be able to survive in any future conflict involving modern SAM technology from Russia and China? lol ok

I do feel you are correct in your view on drones, but these claims I keep hearing of America's supremacy in the skies where even our older stuff is a match for 5th gen fighters and interceptors are just ridiculous. The Russians in particular are currently outclassing us in air-to-air weapons, and have achieved parity or supremacy regarding detection systems. They've mitigated the shoot first advantage Raptor has already, supposedly. The middle of a war is no time to play catch up, and air supremacy is so vital that once you lose it you might not get it back.

Stop acting like other countries unproven tech is any better than our own unproven tech. If anything we have the only proven planes on the planet in actual conflict. AFAIK the Russian mitigation strategy involves using the "superior maneuverability" of their Su-27/35 etc. to dodge the first missile. Some strategy.

The airframe is just an airframe. There isn't a whole lot you can really do to make it better. The F-16 already does 9'gs and can pass anybody out. The weapons and computers are where all the innovation matters.

 

[Sulaco]

Stop acting like other countries unproven tech is any better than our own unproven tech. If anything we have the only proven planes on the planet in actual conflict. AFAIK the Russian mitigation strategy involves using the "superior maneuverability" of their Su-27/35 etc. to dodge the first missile. Some strategy.

The airframe is just an airframe. There isn't a whole lot you can really do to make it better. The F-16 already does 9'gs and can pass anybody out. The weapons and computers are where all the innovation matters.

And the pilots. Don't forget the pilots.

There's simply no comparison to the training the top USAF (and allied air forces) pilots are going to be getting vs. Chinese.
Maybe a few decades from now that will change, but Chinese pilots are simply not on the same level.