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China's ghost cities and malls

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Svnla said:
Oh really? Clean up you say?

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2011/12/05/captured-pollution-in-china/5124/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/20/measuring-china-pollution-from-space

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

http://crisispictures.blogspot.com/2011/11/pollution-in-china-part-ii.html

One of the many reasons china is acting tough in the South of china Sea is that they are running out of clean fishes to eat, therefore, they must take fishes from nearby neighbors.
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wow thats nuts.
 
Having been in China last month, none of this surprises me. In fact my guide, who was pretty open and honest about things, echoed a lot of the concerns both about tearing down the old Hutong neighborhoods to build unaffordable highrise condos, as well as the massive overbuilding of entire new cities that nobody wanted to live in. She seemed pretty concerned that the economy was in trouble if the Govt didn't do something about this soon.
 
Svnla said:
Oh really? Clean up you say?

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2011/12/05/captured-pollution-in-china/5124/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/20/measuring-china-pollution-from-space

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

http://crisispictures.blogspot.com/2011/11/pollution-in-china-part-ii.html

One of the many reasons china is acting tough in the South of china Sea is that they are running out of clean fishes to eat, therefore, they must take fishes from nearby neighbors.
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Jesus Christ. Looking at those pictures makes me wonder what the suicide rate is like in China. That is so sad. This world is so screwed.
 
Svnla said:
Oh really? Clean up you say?

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2011/12/05/captured-pollution-in-china/5124/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/20/measuring-china-pollution-from-space

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

http://crisispictures.blogspot.com/2011/11/pollution-in-china-part-ii.html

One of the many reasons china is acting tough in the South of china Sea is that they are running out of clean fishes to eat, therefore, they must take fishes from nearby neighbors.
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I said they're moving much faster, not that they've cleaned up. Of effin' course they have / know they have a huge problem.

Look at your own history (if you can put down the USA! USA! USA! mantra), then compare and contrast with China's energy investment pattern / speed, numbnuts.
 
njdevilsfan87 said:
Wow. To buy property in China, they said 50% of the asking price up front, and full value in 3 years? This is like the exact opposite of the USA. USA on one extreme where everyone was buying homes (they couldn't afford) which lead to a crash, and now China where no one is buying is homes...
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thats exactly why the government didnt really do anything. banks got a holding hand, people still are in debt, but its been half a decade+ now and the markets are finally starting to naturally heal. but nothing in the system has dramatically changed, we still revolve around credit because we dont want to be like china.
 
randomrogue said:
The weird part for me was that when I was there in October and November there was no smog. Anywhere. I was expecting it but never saw it - not even in Beijing. I don't know enough about smog but it's definitely not constant there or wasn't noticeable since there were many cold, wet, and overcast days. Some of the cleanest and most pristine places I have ever been were in the Chinese mountains in Sichuan Province.
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My family had no problems in Beijing or Shanghai, nor did my aunt's family. Or my other aunt's family. We were a part of a tour group, so we were either on a bus or outside. I have asthma and made do without my inhaler.

When I flew into Beijing, though... couldn't see anything past a few blocks.
 
OutHouse said:
and that smog is beyond disgusting. if any part of the world is contributing to man made global warming its fucking china, not the west.
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Almost 25% of the air pollution in California is from China blows on over from the tradewinds -

The Sierra Nevadas have massive amounts of heavy metals that are deposited on the mountain tops from China.

Reducing pollution is meaningless when the Chinese burn garbage in the street every day and use coal to fire their home stoves and heat their homes.
 
Svnla said:
Oh really? Clean up you say?

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2011/12/05/captured-pollution-in-china/5124/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/20/measuring-china-pollution-from-space

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

http://crisispictures.blogspot.com/2011/11/pollution-in-china-part-ii.html

One of the many reasons china is acting tough in the South of china Sea is that they are running out of clean fishes to eat, therefore, they must take fishes from nearby neighbors.
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India is not too far behind, these countries will take the world down...
 
they are preparing for a time when the west collapses and world wide business community will move to China and fill those empty cities/offices/shopping centers. China has a 100+ year plan and they fully expect a collapse of the west even if they have to assure it with war.
 
IGBT said:
they are preparing for a time when the west collapses and world wide business community will move to China and fill those empty cities/offices/shopping centers. China has a 100+ year plan and they fully expect a collapse of the west even if they have to assure it with war.
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I don't think those govt built buildings will stand for even 10 years, let alone 100 years...
 
DesiPower said:
I don't think those govt built buildings will stand for even 10 years, let alone 100 years...
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The quality of their workmanship as well as materials used leaves much to be desired. They're going to have to tear all that shit down and rebuild it much sooner than we would in the USA or Europe but they have the manpower to do so and are buying up all the raw materials on the planet so I don't think this bothers them. It's quite disturbing really when you see a building that's only 5 years old all rusted up.
 
vbuggy said:
I said they're moving much faster, not that they've cleaned up. Of effin' course they have / know they have a huge problem.

Look at your own history (if you can put down the USA! USA! USA! mantra), then compare and contrast with China's energy investment pattern / speed, numbnuts.
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I had provided links, where are yours? And no we do not need propaganda stuffs from People Daily/Global Times/red commie news.

So you think china has some cheap ass solar manufacturing plants = moving way faster than Western countries?

Do you know that most of heating/cooking in china are still being done by coal - one of the dirtiest sources for energy? See other posters experience that had been in china which they posted above.

Numbnuts? Can't debate so bring out the name calling card? 😀

You are right about one thing. New buildings in china are falling way way faster than in Western countries = http://gizmodo.com/5304233/entire-new-13+story-building-tips-over-in-shanghai/gallery/1
 
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OutHouse said:
all they care about are numbers, not the impact or even if those numbers are in fantasy-land, as long as they make those fantasy numbers look good on paper the chinese communist government will do it.

50% down and paid off in 3 years on a 300K duplex?? damn thats brutal.
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$300,000 and it looks small and run down. I thought condos here were way overpriced. Anyway, China won't collapse the west because they still need customers for their goods, and they don't want their own people becoming too wealthy and questioning why they shouldn't be running the show.
 
vbuggy said:
They're moving way faster than the west did in terms of cleaning up their act though
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Yep! Its amazing how fast you can move when you use child labor to clean up toxic waste!

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...urce=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=-8GxT8iqJ9O4twe_-ryOCQ

They don't seem to be making much progress with the waste the keeps being dumped in the lakes, rivers, ground but if they use enough kids and poor people I am sure they will have it all cleaned up in no time
 
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gevorg said:
Just look at that smog! D:
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That is the sign of progress. Of Liberals not choking the country to death with it's unending regulations and "eco friendly" bullshit. Steve Jobs told the gods honest truth when he said if he wanted to build a new factory in America he couldn't do it because of all the legal red tape in it's way. China cuts through that tape and is rewarded with the most competitive businesses in the world.

Perhaps one day America too could look just like that. 🙂
 
chubbyfatazn said:
My family had no problems in Beijing or Shanghai, nor did my aunt's family. Or my other aunt's family. We were a part of a tour group, so we were either on a bus or outside. I have asthma and made do without my inhaler.

When I flew into Beijing, though... couldn't see anything past a few blocks.
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Your experience must be quite unique or perhaps you visited during the 2008 Olympics when temporary measures were taken to improve air quality.

Everyone I know including my parents complained about the pollution in Beijing after their trips. Theres literally public anger over the smog in the city which is one of the world's worst. The particulate matter counts are off the charts on bad days which are fairly often relatively speaking and scientists could even equate breathing in Beijing air to x number of cigarettes per day/month.
 
bononos said:
Your experience must be quite unique or perhaps you visited during the 2008 Olympics when temporary measures were taken to improve air quality.

Everyone I know including my parents complained about the pollution in Beijing after their trips. Theres literally public anger over the smog in the city which is one of the world's worst. The particulate matter counts are off the charts on bad days which are fairly often relatively speaking and scientists could even equate breathing in Beijing air to x number of cigarettes per day/month.
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Yet I have pictures in Beijing with crystal blue skies. Someone explain this to me. I have NO doubt that there is a smog problem there, based on pictures and what others who have been there have said, yet I spent 7 days (Oct 18-Oct 25) in Beijing and didn't see it. Why is smog cyclical?
 
randomrogue said:
Yet I have pictures in Beijing with crystal blue skies. Someone explain this to me. I have NO doubt that there is a smog problem there, based on pictures and what others who have been there have said, yet I spent 7 days (Oct 18-Oct 25) in Beijing and didn't see it. Why is smog cyclical?
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You know how far I have to get out of Beijing to see crystal blue skyes? The Great Wall. And that's more than 100 KM away.
 
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