China trying to hack into U.S. military computer systems

[Socio]

Report: China trying to crack U.S. computers

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Chinese military continues to increase spending on efforts to break into U.S. military computer systems, expand its Navy, and invest in intercontinental nuclear missiles and weapons to destroy satellites, according to the latest U.S report on China's military power.

Pentagon officials said a chunk of China's spending went to cyberwarfare, because 2007 saw several "intrusions" believed to be from the Peoples Liberation Army. In the incidents, unclassified U.S. military computer systems were broken into and information was taken, according to Pentagon officials.

China is also investing heavily in and fielding improved nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles and antisatellite missiles, according to the report.

The United States is also concerned about the purchase of more submarines by the Chinese navy as well as plans for more aircraft carriers. The Chinese once had a small Navy. Now the United States is keeping an eye on the growing service amid concerns over Taiwan.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

The fact they are investing in more nuclear ICBMs and satellite destroying weapons has me the most concerned.

I think the US should scrap the missile defense program and invest in defensive laser satellites and or space stations capable of destroying ICBM's at launch or any missiles launched at it or other US/friendly satellites. Also have the ability to destroy any attempts at deploying similar devices by other nations.

This would render ICBM's and their ability to deliver a nuclear payload useless for good which is a big win for the whole world.

 

[Robor]

No way. If China destroyed the US that would destroy the WalMarts.

I think your plan is an impossible pipe dream and even if it was possible would only further 'demonize' the US.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Yep, warfare isn't conventional anymore thats for sure. Staying ahead means staying technologically superior to our could be enemies. Sad part is, it seems all the technology we get (except for processors) are made in Asian countries.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yep, warfare isn't conventional anymore thats for sure. Staying ahead means staying technologically superior to our could be enemies. Sad part is, it seems all the technology we get (except for processors) are made in Asian countries.

I hear this argument a lot from people who think that consumer products are the only technological products.

 

[StageLeft]

I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

 

[Rainsford]

We're so used to the media revealing everything that we forget that sometimes it's the stories you DON'T hear that are the important ones. China's attempt to grow their military power makes a lot of noise in the media, but they do it by being clumsy and ham-fisted with everything they do that the media, in their search for low hanging fruit, can't HELP but focus on China as a story. But the lack of similar coverage focused on the US should not be taken to mean that the US military is just sitting on its collective ass. If I was China, the fact that you DON'T hear these sorts of stories about the US all the time would worry the hell out of me. Does anyone want to bet, for example, that the complete lack of media coverage of US cyberwarfare efforts mean that such efforts don't exist?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Socio
Report: China trying to crack U.S. computers

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Chinese military continues to increase spending on efforts to break into U.S. military computer systems, expand its Navy, and invest in intercontinental nuclear missiles and weapons to destroy satellites, according to the latest U.S report on China's military power.

Pentagon officials said a chunk of China's spending went to cyberwarfare, because 2007 saw several "intrusions" believed to be from the Peoples Liberation Army. In the incidents, unclassified U.S. military computer systems were broken into and information was taken, according to Pentagon officials.

China is also investing heavily in and fielding improved nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles and antisatellite missiles, according to the report.

The United States is also concerned about the purchase of more submarines by the Chinese navy as well as plans for more aircraft carriers. The Chinese once had a small Navy. Now the United States is keeping an eye on the growing service amid concerns over Taiwan.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

The fact they are investing in more nuclear ICBMs and satellite destroying weapons has me the most concerned.

I think the US should scrap the missile defense program and invest in defensive laser satellites and or space stations capable of destroying ICBM's at launch or any missiles launched at it or other US/friendly satellites. Also have the ability to destroy any attempts at deploying similar devices by other nations.

This would render ICBM's and their ability to deliver a nuclear payload useless for good which is a big win for the whole world.

I feel like I must reitorate what I said before. Seek therapy. You genuinely appear to be suffering from serious paranoia. I swear, I'm not trying to insult you, or talk trash, or anything like that. Your posts (if you actually mean them) seem to reflect serious paranoid delusions on your part.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

Exactly. Communists and terrorists think alike. Classic bad guy thinking.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

Exactly. Communists and terrorists think alike. Classic bad guy thinking.

At least communists look much much nicer.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

Exactly. Communists and terrorists think alike. Classic bad guy thinking.

"McBain to base, under attack by commie-Nazis."

"Classic bad guys"? :roll: Yeah, if we're in a bad episode of Walker Texas Ranger.

 

[JS80]

What, the US doesn't try to hack into Chinese military?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

Exactly. Communists and terrorists think alike. Classic bad guy thinking.

"McBain to base, under attack by commie-Nazis."

"Classic bad guys"? :roll: Yeah, if we're in a bad episode of Walker Texas Ranger.

Terrorists and communists both hate freedom. That's why they want to kill us.

 

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[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

Exactly. Communists and terrorists think alike. Classic bad guy thinking.

"McBain to base, under attack by commie-Nazis."

"Classic bad guys"? :roll: Yeah, if we're in a bad episode of Walker Texas Ranger.

Terrorists and communists both hate freedom. That's why they want to kill us.

You are kidding, right?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: JS80
What, the US doesn't try to hack into Chinese military?

And do what? Check out what technology they have stolen so far?

 

[jackschmittusa]

Socio

"And do what?"

Ever consider that battle order, unit strength, equipment uptime, and a host of other things (all most certainly on computers) might be useful?

We have cyber-warrior units that operate with black budgets that you will never hear of. Every now and then, bits and pieces about recruiting for these units turn up.

You seem to have little military knowledge and yet can project the military intentions of countries that you have even less knowledge of.

Amazing!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
We're so used to the media revealing everything that we forget that sometimes it's the stories you DON'T hear that are the important ones. China's attempt to grow their military power makes a lot of noise in the media, but they do it by being clumsy and ham-fisted with everything they do that the media, in their search for low hanging fruit, can't HELP but focus on China as a story. But the lack of similar coverage focused on the US should not be taken to mean that the US military is just sitting on its collective ass. If I was China, the fact that you DON'T hear these sorts of stories about the US all the time would worry the hell out of me. Does anyone want to bet, for example, that the complete lack of media coverage of US cyberwarfare efforts mean that such efforts don't exist?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: JS80
What, the US doesn't try to hack into Chinese military?

And do what? Check out what technology they have stolen so far?

Do you honestly believe we don't do the exact same thing? If we didn't then we would be dropping the ball as it is of the upmost importance to gain any edge you can on any potential adversary, whether it be stealing technology, spying or hacking their Cyber Systems.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Socio
I think the US should scrap the missile defense program and invest in defensive laser satellites and or space stations capable of destroying ICBM's at launch or any missiles launched at it or other US/friendly satellites. Also have the ability to destroy any attempts at deploying similar devices by other nations.

This would render ICBM's and their ability to deliver a nuclear payload useless for good which is a big win for the whole world.

We have treaties in place that prevent us or anyone else from weaponizing space.


Also, I don't think the other nuclear powers are going to be too keen on us saying, "Well, we have made ICBM's completely harmless, except ours, but don't worry we're the good guys."

That shit wouldn't have flied 20 years ago, and it definitely won't now that our rep is in the toilet.

 

[child of wonder]

Why do the Chinese think they need to destroy us? We're going a pretty good job of that ourselves.

In 100 years the US will likely be down to the 3rd or 4th largest super power in the world and the middle class will be further pinched towards extinction. We'll all be sitting on our recliner toilets watching reality TV, eating junk food, then going to our manual labor jobs so the Chinese can buy cheap merchandise that says "Made in America" on it in their Wal-Marts.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Socio
I think the US should scrap the missile defense program and invest in defensive laser satellites and or space stations capable of destroying ICBM's at launch or any missiles launched at it or other US/friendly satellites. Also have the ability to destroy any attempts at deploying similar devices by other nations.

This would render ICBM's and their ability to deliver a nuclear payload useless for good which is a big win for the whole world.

We have treaties in place that prevent us or anyone else from weaponizing space.


Also, I don't think the other nuclear powers are going to be too keen on us saying, "Well, we have made ICBM's completely harmless, except ours, but don't worry we're the good guys."

That shit wouldn't have flied 20 years ago, and it definitely won't now that our rep is in the toilet.

The Outer Space Treaty only prevents the emplacement of nuclear weapons in space.

An effective anti-missile system that is able to defeat thousands of targets would unbalance the nuclear deterrence equation. That probably wouldn't be good.

 

[yllus]

China trying to hack U.S. systems is a prudent measure by that nation to size up the defences of a potential adversary. The U.S., of course, is engaged in doing the exact same thing right back. Hell, I'd very much doubt the U.S. doesn't also hack Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia...

Stuff like this - it's the computer equivalent of the Russians sending a sortie at an aircraft carrier to see what the reaction time is like - is simply meant to take the measure of another. It's not a declaration of war. Not to mention that you'd have to be quite ignorant to think that China will ever go to violence to win back Taiwan when all they need to do is wait another decade or two to have them want to come back.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: yllus
China trying to hack U.S. systems is a prudent measure by that nation to size up the defences of a potential adversary. The U.S., of course, is engaged in doing the exact same thing right back. Hell, I'd very much doubt the U.S. doesn't also hack Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia...

Stuff like this - it's the computer equivalent of the Russians sending a sortie at an aircraft carrier to see what the reaction time is like - is simply meant to take the measure of another. It's not a declaration of war. Not to mention that you'd have to be quite ignorant to think that China will ever go to violence to win back Taiwan when all they need to do is wait another decade or two to have them want to come back.

It's also very much RTP-related...

 

[cyclohexane]

Originally posted by: yllus
China trying to hack U.S. systems is a prudent measure by that nation to size up the defences of a potential adversary. The U.S., of course, is engaged in doing the exact same thing right back. Hell, I'd very much doubt the U.S. doesn't also hack Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia...

Stuff like this - it's the computer equivalent of the Russians sending a sortie at an aircraft carrier to see what the reaction time is like - is simply meant to take the measure of another. It's not a declaration of war. Not to mention that you'd have to be quite ignorant to think that China will ever go to violence to win back Taiwan when all they need to do is wait another decade or two to have them want to come back.

true, every nation is looking out for its best interests.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I recall it was you who made a thread about Russia attacking kosovo, china taiwan, and iran israel all at the same time so that the US could not respond.

Sounds like they have every intention of taking Taiwan by force and destroying the US as well if necessary.

Yeah, that makes sense, those stupid communists hate life and cannot wait for an opportunity to destroy the US so that they can in turn be destroyed. It's so logical.

Exactly. Communists and terrorists think alike. Classic bad guy thinking.

You're retarded, plain and simple.