China trying to be a bully - AGAIN

[EagleKeeper]

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Key issue

China has resisted proposals for a multilateral code of conduct for the South China Sea, preferring to try to negotiate disputes with each of the far less powerful individual claimants.

China knows that individual sticks can be easily broken; but a bundle can not be.

 

[Svnla]

Of course, bully china/CCP does not want the South East nations to unite as a group because it would not be able to use the divide and conquer strategy.

Also, bully china is the ONLY one that attacked and bullied smaller neighbors in the South of china Sea.

 

[trenchfoot]

Hmmmmmm....Sounds like those nations should "unionize" and negotiate with China united with a single voice.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

What world power DOESN'T bully others into doing things. The USA does this all the time

 

[Agent11]

Reallly. When was the last time the US annexed international waters.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Funny how large reserves of oil and gas makes an area so important to all involved.

 

[Svnla]

What world power DOESN'T bully others into doing things. The USA does this all the time

Did you see the US claim the whole Gulf of Mexico and shot at Mexican fishermen? I sure did not.

Did you see the US attacked, shot at, detained and then demanded ransom money from Canadian fishermen? I sure did not.

Did you see the US ignored its neighbors' EEZ and poached/stole their righful fishes and other sea bounties?

Shall I go on?

 

[EagleKeeper]

What world power DOESN'T bully others into doing things. The USA does this all the time

Some people will always find a nit pick against a country that they do not like.

Yet those same people that rail against a country and put one down; will be happy to live there vs elsewhere.

 

[Dari]

What's stopping those countries from uniting and presenting a proposal package to China?

 

[Lemon law]

Disputes over small island groups are common. China is certainly not the only country in the region or larger world playing the disputed Island game. Japan is now disputing Taiwan over a small group of Island both nations use as fishing grounds. England and Argentina still dispute ownership of the Falkland Islands, Turkey and Greece now dispute ownership of some oil rich Islands, Israel has no real claim to West Bank and the majority off offshore gas they are trying to claim and develop, as such disputes are common all over the world.

And I am old enough to remember, during the Nixon Kennedy election debates of 1960, that Nixon wanting to fight Chine over the tiny Islands of Kemoy and Matsu, while Kennedy said, its not worth making an issue over them.

But in terms of any South East China island groups disputes, we in the West may not properly understand the " inscrutably mind of the oriental" for the lack of a better term. As we in the west think in terms immediate control and on a short term basis of no more than five or 10 years. And our national games reflect that. As the Europeans play one version of football and the Americans play another. And the Chinese play go. And go is a game of long term control without direct short term confrontation. For example, when the Brits 99 lease of Singapore expired, the Chinese got Singapore back. But rather than rush back in, the Chinese mainly let Singapore continue to retain its own capitalistic conduct. In terms of Taiwan, China does want it back, but would rather get it back on a voluntary basis. And if China can CONTROL most of the trade and resources of East Asia, in future Taiwan may well rejoin China for mutual benefit.

 

[Svnla]

What's stopping those countries from uniting and presenting a proposal package to China?

One word: money.

The last chairman of ASEAN (the chairmanship is rotating annually), Cambodia, did not want to rock the boat because of the financial aid (billions) from China.

Also, other members of ASEAN such as Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, etc. are not very into confrontation with China because they do not have any disputes in the area and they do want to do business with China.

@ LL, you mean Hong Kong. Singapore is an independent sovereign country.

 

[Ichigo]

China is a sovereign nation they can do what they think is in their best interest.

Just like every other country... ever.

ffs "southerner 4ever!!!" like you would give two shits about someone telling you how to run your business.

 

[Svnla]

China is a sovereign nation they can do what they think is in their best interest.

Just like every other country... ever.

ffs "southerner 4ever!!!" like you would give two shits about someone telling you how to run your business.

Are you talking to me? If you are, here is why.

Bully china is bullying smaller neighbors, against all international rules and norms, such as EEZ and attacked smaller neighbors. You may want to look that up, ok?

Attacking/bulling/invaded smaller neighbors =! running your business.

Oh, one more thing. Recently, Russian Navy shot at Chinese ships that were poaching fishes inside Russia' EEZ and killed a few Chinese. Did you see China dare to say a word about that? Nope, nada, nothing but silent and full of shame and humiliation, again (see Treaty of Aigun 1858).

 

[Karl Agathon]

Red China will become the 4th reich within 50 years. Only a matter of time before Japan has no chouce but to reverse its consititution and go nuclear. Go Japan!!!

 

[Michael]

WTF - Singapore was leased from the Chinese? Homg Kong and Macau, not Singapore.

Singapore is an island off of Malaysia.

Michael

 

[Londo_Jowo]

For example, when the Brits 99 lease of Singapore expired, the Chinese got Singapore back. But rather than rush back in, the Chinese mainly let Singapore continue to retain its own capitalistic conduct. In terms of Taiwan, China does want it back, but would rather get it back on a voluntary basis. And if China can CONTROL most of the trade and resources of East Asia, in future Taiwan may well rejoin China for mutual benefit.

The Brits had a lease on Hong Kong and it was turned back over to the Chinese in 99. As for Taiwan, they're very strong on their own and will never agree to becoming part of China again.

All the countries (Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Brunei) that have claims in the South China sea they will never give in to China as they depend on the oil and gas for their economies to be strong/ensure their independence.

As you can see China is claiming areas far from their shores.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349

 

[Ichigo]

Are you talking to me? If you are, here is why.

Bully china is bullying smaller neighbors, against all international rules and norms, such as EEZ and attacked smaller neighbors. You may want to look that up, ok?

Attacking/bulling/invaded smaller neighbors =! running your business.

Oh, one more thing. Recently, Russian Navy shot at Chinese ships that were poaching fishes inside Russia' EEZ and killed a few Chinese. Did you see China dare to say a word about that? Nope, nada, nothing but silent and full of shame and humiliation, again (see Treaty of Aigun 1858).

I'm not saying that what they're doing is good for anyone except themselves, or even that it's "moral".

I just find it a delicious idea that an American is outraged that someone else is using their economic/military dominance to influence other nations to get what they want.

 

[Svnla]

I'm not saying that what they're doing is good for anyone except themselves, or even that it's "moral".

I just find it a delicious idea that an American is outraged that someone else is using their economic/military dominance to influence other nations to get what they want.

No nation on Earth is perfect. At least the US is about to withdraw from Iraq and Afghan. Do you see China withdraw from Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia?

See, the way I see it, create buildings/taking care business/etc. inside China = doing their own business and everyone should buzz off.

Bullied/attacked/harrashed smaller neighbors and ignored all international rules and norms =! doing their own business and the internation community should get involve. The map that Londo provided is a perfect example of bulllying/harrashing smaller neighbors (the red line of China vs. the normal blue lines per UN/International rule). No country on Earth is behaving like that.

Just imagine what if Iran is claiming most of the Persian Gulf as China is doing at the South of China Sea.

 

[kage69]

The Brits had a lease on Hong Kong and it was turned back over to the Chinese in 97. As for Taiwan, they're very strong on their own and will never agree to becoming part of China again.

All the countries (Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Brunei) that have claims in the South China sea they will never give in to China as they depend on the oil and gas for their economies to be strong/ensure their independence.

As you can see China is claiming areas far from their shores.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349

Fixed.

Vietnam and Taiwan won't roll over for China, I'm not sure about the others though.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What world power DOESN'T bully others into doing things. The USA does this all the time

links please.....

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Fixed.

Damn, you mean Lemon law was wrong on all accounts?

Vietnam and Taiwan won't roll over for China, I'm not sure about the others though.

I'm quite certain the others won't roll over either. The main reason is Indonesia, Malaysia, and Brunei are predominately Muslim and won't allow China to dictate their religion. As for the Philippines, they won't give up their freedom that easily.

 

[ericlp]

oh well....

 

[Agent11]

It should be obvious to everyone that enabling china through trade is what is allowing their recent bad behavior.

We should step back and re evaluate our position on trade with China in my opinion, let them know that there are consequences to not playing nice with others.

 

[oynaz]

links please.....

Come on. Pick up a history book. In modern times, USA have used bully tactics against more or less every single Latin American country.
Before that, there are numerous examples. I read someone paraphrasing the negotiations the purchase of the Virgin Islands from Denmark:

USA: "How much do you want for those islands?"
Denmark: "They are not for sale."
USA: "That was not what we asked about. How much do you want for those islands?"

- not that the US are worse than many other countries, but claiming that bully tactics are not employed by the US is ignorance bordering on outright lies.

 

[Agent11]

1916 is a bit of a stretch, but there were other geopolitical overtones to the entire situation besides, islands - I can haz plz~!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Danish_West_Indies