China to patent bullet train technology.

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China seeks to stake its claim / Files for bullet-train patents in Japan, 4 other nations

Yasushi Kouchi / Yomiuri Shimbun Correspondent

BEIJING--China has filed international patent applications for technology related to high-speed railways, which Beijing claims to have developed on its own, in four countries and Europe, including Japan, it was reported Tuesday.

However, since China has been developing railway cars to be used in its version of the Shinkansen bullet train on the basis of technology offered by countries such as Japan and Germany, the patent filings may lead to an international dispute.

The news was reported in the Tuesday edition of the China Daily, an English-language daily in China, quoting a high-ranking Chinese government official.

According to the official, China is applying for 21 patents in Japan, the United States, Brazil, Russia and Europe, including ones concerning train car hulls and bogies. Of the 21, eight have already passed preliminary screenings, the official was quoted as saying.

China has developed high-speed railway cars through technology licenses from companies in Japan, Germany, France and Canada. Under the licensing agreements, China's use of the expertise was to be limited to domestic application, an informed source said.

The Chinese government has said its high-speed rail technology was developed completely on its own, with an official at the Railways Ministry saying, "We adopted it [the technology from overseas], digested it, absorbed it and innovated based on it."

Of the places where Beijing has filed for the patents, the United States, Brazil and Russia have high-speed railway development projects. With the patent filings, China is apparently trying to gain an advantage in the competition to win sizable contracts.

China's bullet train is based on the "Hayate" model, which runs on the Tohoku Shinkansen line.
The Chinese are now applying for patents on technology that they stole, so that they can export it.

China weekly: Official says cover-ups common

On a related note, China is known for evidence cover ups.

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Newbian

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Considering China constantly steals technology without paying the companies that own the patents I have a feeling no one will care as much.
 

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the DRIZZLE

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I'm sure none of the parts will have SEIMENS stamped on it. Companies are RETARDED to move R&D anywhere near that place.

If you want to do business in China the government forces you to have manufacturing facilities there so they can steal your IP.
 

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I hope the lawyers of Kawasaki, Seimens, etc. expose this shit in court, humiliates them for any IP theft and blocks importation of the stolen technology. The only thing that will cause IP reform in China (or any reform for that matter) is if the Communist Party loses face.
 

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I hope the lawyers of Kawasaki, Seimens, etc. expose this shit in court, humiliates them for any IP theft and blocks importation of the stolen technology. The only thing that will cause IP reform in China (or any reform for that matter) is if the Communist Party loses face.

However, the U.S. will grant full patent rights to China and the billions of wasted taxpayer dollars will go to China who will control all high speed rail technology in the U.S. Don't think for a second they don't already own a few lobbying companies in Washington D.C.
 

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Even assuming their patents are granted and upheld, how much of a market is there for poorly designed and built death trains?
 

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Even assuming their patents are granted and upheld, how much of a market is there for poorly designed and built death trains?

North Korea? Pakistan? Myanmar?

I doubt the patents will be granted in the EU/US, anyone can apply for one anyway.
 

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Am I the only one that read the title as "China to patent bullet brain technology"?

I thought they'd invented a better execution round.
 

piasabird

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China is the largest patent breaker on earth! They stole all their technology from someplace else.
 

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It wouldn't be so bad if the Chinese improved on current technology instead of hacking it. But then, they'd be a threat to the world's current economic status wouldn't it?
 

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A hypocritical move by China is what we have here. We shouldn't be trading with China for anything other than raw materials tbh. The would should not stand by and abide their policy of forcing companies to partner with domestic firms in order to have access to their market. Its tariff time!
 

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Am I the only one that read the title as "China to patent bullet brain technology"?

I thought they'd invented a better execution round.
You don't even have to change a letter to get there. Chinese bullet trains are execution devices.
 

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The whole idea of doing business with China shows something very interesting about western businesses. They're willing to make long term sacrifices in terms of IP and competitiveness just so they can make a few extra bucks right now on labor. Doing business with China is moronic in the long term, but nobody cares because it gets them richer right now.

Whatever happened to seeing past the end of the fiscal quarter?
 

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I'm sure none of the parts will have SEIMENS stamped on it. Companies are RETARDED to move R&D anywhere near that place.

You probably have to nowadays. It's not like we can keep all R&D in the US. In China, the culture prizes engineering and science. The best people go in those fields. In the US, too many of the best people go into fields like finance or the law. Our culture doesn't prize technical fields on the same level.
 

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You probably have to nowadays. It's not like we can keep all R&D in the US. In China, the culture prizes engineering and science. The best people go in those fields. In the US, too many of the best people go into fields like finance or the law. Our culture doesn't prize technical fields on the same level.

Western culture favors innovation, critical thinking, originality and independent thought over copying teacher:
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/03/138937778/plagiarism-plague-hinders-chinas-scientific-ambition
Plagiarism Plague Hinders China's Scientific Ambition
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"In almost two years, we find about 31 percent of papers with unreasonable copy[ing] and plagiarism," she says, shaking her head. "This is true."

For computer science and life science papers, that figure went up to almost 40 percent.
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Zhang and others say blame lies in part with traditional Chinese culture, which values rote memorization and repetition and holds that copying a teacher's work is a way of learning.
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"Chinese culture has weaknesses which hinder innovation, such as being afraid to criticize, being afraid to show personality or think independently. These are big hindrances to the establishment of a scientific culture," he says.
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Thomson Reuters' Science Watch website notes that China isn't even in the top 20 when measuring the number of times a paper is cited on a national basis.
 

Thump553

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The whole idea of doing business with China shows something very interesting about western businesses. They're willing to make long term sacrifices in terms of IP and competitiveness just so they can make a few extra bucks right now on labor. Doing business with China is moronic in the long term, but nobody cares because it gets them richer right now.

Whatever happened to seeing past the end of the fiscal quarter?

That is the our system is skewed, and very few companies (like Apple) do any differently. The executives in charge make most of their real wealth off of stock and stock earnings. Our stock prices are absolutely driven by the quarterly reports and future guidance-the company beats what the street expects, stock goes crazy upwards, they miss, it tanks.

It's not that way because we have a capitalist system, but because of the way our stock rules are structured. A few relatively simple changes could totally change the incentives and direction of US business. But huge wealth and powerful interests (Wall Street and the corporate top executives) would fight any such change tooth and nail.
 
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Western culture favors innovation, critical thinking, originality and independent thought over copying teacher:
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/03/138937778/plagiarism-plague-hinders-chinas-scientific-ambition

You're delusional if you think that other cultures don't favor innovation. This is something that Americans say because they want to think that they are unique and that they can continue to obtain degrees in things like European style basket weaving of the 16th century instead of actual useful degrees.

There was a time when most of the original research and innovation wasn't done by Americans. Things change as other cultures value science and engineering more than Americans tend to do.