China successfully destroys satellite with balistic missile

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Pandaren

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Yes it really is much tadoo about nothing...other countries have had that capability for a very long time...

Judging by your concern I would venture to guess you are probably 13yrs old and have no clue that other countries have been able to do this for a very longtime!!

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As far as I can tell, your assertion that 'other countries' (plural) have had anti-sat capability is incorrect. Other than the US, only the former Soviet Union/Russia ever had any anti-satellite capability until recently:

Wikipedia link

Only two nations ? the Soviet Union and the United States ? have previously destroyed spacecraft in antisatellite tests, most recently the United States in the mid-1980s.

- NYTimes Link

I'd also like to state for the record that I think your post is uncalled for.

(1) You've provided no links, other evidence, or argument to back up your position.
(2) You have resorted to attacking me personally, instead of arguing against the merits of the points I have made.

You have to be insane if you don`t believe that Great Britian and Germany and France all have had for quite a while the ability to launch missles into outer space In fact I would even incluse Israel in that list...
but why tip your hand and shoot down a satelite just to be able to say you can???
On the other hand China did that to say to the world look what we have.......
You would also have to be nieve if you believe that we are super friends with Germany or the French...sure we are not enemies by any stetch of the imagination but that doesn`t mean that our friends don`t plan for the day something weird or unexplainable happens where we are not the good guys anymore.......

 

[Arglebargle]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's China's "answer" to our missile defense shield.

Not quite, a working missile defense system might allow us to shot these types of missiles down.

As far as them selling it I doubt that will happen.
There aren't little rockets you launch at Israel. These are giant and highly expensive missiles and I am not sure China has enough to be selling them off to the highest bidder.

Plus selling a medium range ballistic missile to a country like Iran would invoke a huge amount of objections from the world.

I meant it was more of a tit-for-tat response. We start building a missile "shield" and China demonstrates that they could (maybe) shoot down some of our GPS satellites.

So instead of us doing something about it, you'd rather have us bend over and stop developing defenses? I say this, based on the common liberal hatred of missile defense coupled with your inferring that it is directly to blame for China?s military advances.

I think we should have invested in a missle defense that actually was likely to work, rather than just getting the first thing off the shelf.

China was showing off. Other than its use in their obsesssion with Taiwan, if they want to play hardball, they can do it much easier in the economic arena.

 

[Fern]

I'm not surprised that they have the technology. I would have thought they had it years ago.

I'm just pissed at their cavalier attitude about polluting the space near Earth. Sorta like "we just dumped a truckload of burger wrappers and coke cans on the highways cuz we could".

Fern

 

[fornax]

Taking down a satellite with a ballistic missile? I would understand if they had a clueless translator. But don't they have editors, for crying out loud?! Don't they know what a ballistic missile is?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Congrats China, you have reached 1985 level US anti satellite tech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon

The first test was in 1983 and the first successful interception, of the defunct US satellite P78 SolWind, was on September 13, 1985.

It may seem that way...
But in 10 years, they would probably have advanced 13-15.

They just might catch up soon enough.
Time is on their side.

 

[rickn]

so long as america's obsessive materialistic obsession continues, expect cheap chinese products to continue to fuel china's increasing global domination. And we have nobody to blame but ourselves

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
We can thank Bill Clinton for this. We all know he gave guidance technology to China.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
We can thank Bill Clinton for this. We all know he gave guidance technology to China.

fortunately for democrats china destroying a satelite in orbit falls under Bush's term, so Clinton lovers need not worry. Every president in the last 30yrs has sold us to China, nobody seems to care

 

[StinkyPinky]

Within 100 years China will be the most powerful nation on the planet - luckily I'll be dust by then as they don't seem to appreciate things like humans rights.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I was just about to post this... I can't imagine it's all that difficult to shoot down a satellite. Redundancy is about the only solution that comes to mind. Based on what Bush said (quoted in the OP article), we don't really have any room to tell China that they can't do this sort of thing.

Higher orbits and stealthy satellites would be the obvious countermeasures, I think. Both would be expensive (like most any new satellite) and you might lose some quality of information by moving to higher orbits. Of course then the Chinese might just build a bigger anti-sat missile...

Wow, how about that... you learn something new every day. I used to think that the GPS satellites were geostationary; meaning that the altitude they were at was fixed by the laws of physics. I guess not!

 

[SSSnail]

We've been doing this a long time before China was able to put a satellite in orbit. We stopped doing it because it leaves debries in space, which not good, mmmmkk? China is like a kid from the hood that just got a new toy (new to him anyways) and starts running around the neighborhood bragging about his new toy, what that kid doesn't know is that he's a few years late to brag.

 

[Aimster]

according to an article I read this was the first such test ever of a ground misssile taking out a satellite (that worked)

it was either on cnn, msnbc, or foxnews.

however other articles ive read said test have been done before by the U.S/Russia, but they dont say it they were successful or not.

 

[SSSnail]

The United States has been able to bring down satellites with missiles since the mid-1980s, according to a history of ASAT programs posted on the Union of Concerned Scientists Web site. In its own test, the U.S. military knocked a satellite out of orbit in 1985.

You sure you do much reading? This is from the same article that was linked.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

The United States has been able to bring down satellites with missiles since the mid-1980s, according to a history of ASAT programs posted on the Union of Concerned Scientists Web site. In its own test, the U.S. military knocked a satellite out of orbit in 1985.

You sure you do much reading? This is from the same article that was linked.

I said the article I read said it was the first such test to knock out a satellite.

I never talked about the article that was linked.

 

[Aimster]

& if the U.S did actually knock out a satelite, why the hell are people crying about Chinese creating space dirt when the U.S did it?

How come the U.S is allowed to do such test while other nations are not allowed? I mean they are allowed, obviously, but the West likes to complain about it and raise concerns.

The world needs to come together rather than competing in such technology. Wouldn't it be great if the UN actually worked?

According to China the test was done to force the U.S to come into talks about space weapons: on front of foxnews.com

India is not far behind ... soon the Middle East will have such technology ..

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Within 100 years China will be the most powerful nation on the planet - luckily I'll be dust by then as they don't seem to appreciate things like humans rights.

We used to think the same thing you are saying about the Japanese, look at them now. Huge human rights peoples, donate huge sums to relief, have social health care and are generally very socially conscious peoples. In a 100 years a lot can change. You give the power to the peoples on the street and China will look like human rights paradise since they have been subjected to oppression so long.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& if the U.S did actually knock out a satelite, why the hell are people crying about Chinese creating space dirt when the U.S did it?

How come the U.S is allowed to do such test while other nations are not allowed? I mean they are allowed, obviously, but the West likes to complain about it and raise concerns.

The world needs to come together rather than competing in such technology. Wouldn't it be great if the UN actually worked?

According to China the test was done to force the U.S to come into talks about space weapons: on front of foxnews.com

India is not far behind ... soon the Middle East will have such technology ..

Well, we did stop because of the very same reasons, we do have a lot of dated satellites that needs to be trashed, but can't. Just because we actually dropped nuke on some other nation a long time ago doesn't mean it's good for other nations to do it now.

We're not saying that they can't advance, but what's the point in "testing" a proven technology? It's like trying to prove that the wheel is efficient, or that fire can be used to cook food. The implication behind this is more political than anything, China has been testing our reactions for quite a while now. I won't be a bit surprised if they end up invading Taiwan sometimes in the future.

Call me arm chair general, but I do believe that if they were to try and shoot one of our satellite down, there are remedies already inplace if such events were to ever take place. As a nation, I don't think the US would leave our eggs unattended, which means the Star Wars program is very much active. Since most of our battlefield communication technologies rely heavily on satellites, I never for once think that they're just floating up there unguarded.

The day China can force US into something, that'll be the day Chinese become the official language in the US. In the meantime, it's just paper tiger growling (now with epoxy).

 

[SONYFX]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
We've been doing this a long time before China was able to put a satellite in orbit. We stopped doing it because it leaves debries in space, which not good, mmmmkk?

LOL, I love simple brains.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: SONYFX

Originally posted by: SSSnail
We've been doing this a long time before China was able to put a satellite in orbit. We stopped doing it because it leaves debries in space, which not good, mmmmkk?

LOL, I love simple brains.

Touche. So would you like to debate on other hypotheses? Since you obviously know the real reasons.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

GTaudiophle said:

We can thank Bill Clinton for this. We all know he gave guidance technology to China.

Heh...plenty of blame to go around...

What the administration doesn't want to confront about the recent Chinese missile test, is that they're able to achieve these technologically impressive feats, i.e., the downing of one of their older orbiters via missile launch and strike, because they're flushed with dividend income from financing the U.S. national debt.

The Chinese are awash in income because they're financing literally trillions of dollars of U.S. debt engendered by the current administration's neurotic obsession with taxcuts primarily designed for the wealthy during a time of war.