China stealing secrets from US semiconductor companies. (Allegedly)

[lopri]

Uh yes. In a civilized world patents are honored amongst trade partners.

Are you saying if a Chinese corporation comes into the U.S. market and claims a patent issued by a Chinese authority, the U.S. courts are duty bound to honor the claim? Or are you going to insist that China is not part of a "civilized world"?

Think about the ramification of what you are talking about.

 

[whm1974]

Are you saying if a Chinese corporation comes into the U.S. market and claims a patent issued by a Chinese authority, the U.S. courts are duty bound to honor the claim? Or are you going to insist that China is not part of a "civilized world"?

Think about the ramification of what you are talking about.

The Chinese corporation would have to apply for a patent and be granted one by the US in order for it to apply here in the US.

 

[realibrad]

Are you saying if a Chinese corporation comes into the U.S. market and claims a patent issued by a Chinese authority, the U.S. courts are duty bound to honor the claim? Or are you going to insist that China is not part of a "civilized world"?

Think about the ramification of what you are talking about.

Did you miss my previous post to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_Cooperation_Treaty

China and the US are both part of the Patent Cooperation Treaty.

http://www.wipo.int/pct/en/faqs/faqs.html

Simply applying for a patent in a country that is part of this treaty grants you international rights as your national or regional office will submit the patent claim to the WIPO. This means that the same patent cannot be granted to two parties even if they are in different countries.

 

[ericlp]

well, don't forget that most of AMD ryzen, including the ThreadRipper, I got, are made in China.

China has some the Fastest SuperComputers still, even tho, US just installed a faster one not too long ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/20/11975356/chinese-supercomputer-worlds-fastes-taihulight

China being the world hub for AI and other tech. I'm almost certain that we are stealing and learning a lot more from China than they from us.

China is also the forefront on quantum entanglement. That may be the key to open up on how we communicate 1 & 0's by not sending a signal at all. Spooky but, they are doing it.

 

[realibrad]

well, don't forget that most of AMD ryzen, including the ThreadRipper, I got, are made in China.

China has some the Fastest SuperComputers still, even tho, US just installed a faster one not too long ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/20/11975356/chinese-supercomputer-worlds-fastes-taihulight

China being the world hub for AI and other tech. I'm almost certain that we are stealing and learning a lot more from China than they from us.

China is also the forefront on quantum entanglement. That may be the key to open up on how we communicate 1 & 0's by not sending a signal at all. Spooky but, they are doing it.

We are not stealing more from China.

 

[ericlp]

Ummm China's government is pumping in billions of dollars into R/D...What is USA doing? Jack...

All the new tech is coming from China everyday....... About the only chip manufacture that isn't in bed with China is Intel. But China could care less about x86, since the government wants to build it's own linux flavor OS running on it's own hardware.

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...he-way-as-country-boosts-home-grown-tech.html

 

[Asterox]

Ummm China's government is pumping in billions of dollars into R/D...What is USA doing? Jack...

All the new tech is coming from China everyday....... About the only chip manufacture that isn't in bed with China is Intel. But China could care less about x86, since none of their software or OS runs on x86 and...for good reason! It's outdated and SLOW.

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...he-way-as-country-boosts-home-grown-tech.html

That is very far from reality, or in 1-2 years you will be suprised what will come out of China as X86 CPU.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...m-kx-7000-2019-x86-processors.2471695/page-15

 

[geoxile]

well, don't forget that most of AMD ryzen, including the ThreadRipper, I got, are made in China.

China has some the Fastest SuperComputers still, even tho, US just installed a faster one not too long ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/20/11975356/chinese-supercomputer-worlds-fastes-taihulight

China being the world hub for AI and other tech. I'm almost certain that we are stealing and learning a lot more from China than they from us.

China is also the forefront on quantum entanglement. That may be the key to open up on how we communicate 1 & 0's by not sending a signal at all. Spooky but, they are doing it.

Taiwan is not a part of China. In fact ryzen isn't even fabricated by any east Asian company. They're manufactured by GF, an American company

They also arent in the lead for AI. The US still dominates the field in patents. China only has a lead in one narrow subtopic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1217798/china-has-shot-far-ahead-of-the-us-on-ai-patents/amp/

Not to mention Korea is the leader in high tech electronics components like dram, nand memory, LCD panels, camera sensors, and is one of the leaders in semiconductor fabrication. And the US (and israel) still leads in software and cutting edge electrical engineering, like ryzen, Intel's core processors, nvidia GPUs, etc

 

[realibrad]

Ummm China's government is pumping in billions of dollars into R/D...What is USA doing? Jack...

All the new tech is coming from China everyday....... About the only chip manufacture that isn't in bed with China is Intel. But China could care less about x86, since the government wants to build it's own linux flavor OS running on it's own hardware.

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...he-way-as-country-boosts-home-grown-tech.html

In a capitalist country, you have private investment in R&D. China is investing a lot of money, and the rest of the world is investing money in tech privately.

 

[whm1974]

In a capitalist country, you have private investment in R&D. China is investing a lot of money, and the rest of the world is investing money in tech privately.

You may want to recheck that as the US did invest a lot in R&D during and before the Cold War, and for some afterwards too. Don't forget about Japan.

 

[realibrad]

You may want to recheck that as the US did invest a lot in R&D during and before the Cold War, and for some afterwards too. Don't forget about Japan.

But, not at the levels China is now, which is the point. The counter to that is there is still massive amounts of private investment.

 

[maddie]

In a capitalist country, you have private investment in R&D. China is investing a lot of money, and the rest of the world is investing money in tech privately.

Do you really believe this? Incredible belief in the free market propaganda.

Have you any idea how much R&D takes place under Govt in the West? In the USA for example, ever heard of Dept of Defense, Dept of Energy and most other departments of government. All countries do this. Not to speak about monetary manipulation via the FED.

 

[realibrad]

Do you really believe this? Incredible belief in the free market propaganda.

Have you any idea how much R&D takes place under Govt in the West? In the USA for example, ever heard of Dept of Defense, Dept of Energy and most other departments of government. All countries do this. Not to speak about monetary manipulation via the FED.

This thread should not become one about Capitalism and the investment ratios of private vs government.

 

[whm1974]

This thread should not become one about Capitalism and the investment ratios of private vs government.

I'm thinking that government investment in R&D is higher then private is, especially in basic research.