China slams US rights abuses

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BEIJING (Reuters) - China hit back at U.S. criticism of its human rights record on Thursday, unveiling its own report detailing what it said were rights abuses in the United States, involving everything from racial discrimination to crime.

The Chinese report, issued by the State Council, or Cabinet, takes aim at U.S. democracy -- calling it "a game for the rich" -- the high murder rate, domestic wire tapping and detention of Iraqi reporters by U.S. forces in Iraq.

"We urge the United States government to face squarely their own human rights problems, reflect on their own actions, take practical measures and improve their human rights situation," the report, carried by the official Xinhua news agency, said.

Other abuses involved "secret snooping, police abuse, wrong convictions and the highest ratio of people behind bars," it said.

"The United States has always boasted itself as the model of democracy and hawked its mode of democracy to the rest of the world, but in fact, American 'democracy' is always one for the wealthy and a 'game for the rich'," it said.

The United States should also "rectify their method of using human rights questions to create international confrontation," the report said.

"We disapprove of countries meddling in other countries' domestic affairs," added Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing in reaction to the U.S. report, speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the annual meeting of parliament.

The United States was also a country plagued by murder and the private ownership of guns was widespread, the China report said.

"The unchecked spread of guns has caused incessant murders," it said, detailing a series of gruesome incidents where people had killed their grandparents, school pupils or church goers.

"According to figures released by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, murder increased by 2.1 percent across the United States during the first six months of 2005, compared with the same period of 2004," the report added.

The U.S. State Department said on Wednesday that China increased its censorship of the Internet and of media critics last year and that harassment and detention of those challenging the authorities grew.

The annual report is usually swiftly rejected by China, which says its human rights definition differs from the West, insisting that the basic rights of its 1.3 billion people to food, clothing and housing take precedence over individual civil liberties.

China's report quoted widely from U.S. media, including the Washington Post, New York Times and CNN, detailing human rights abuses.

Beijing often criticizes many of these same foreign media outlets for their biased coverage of China.

The report also quoted the Committee to Protect Journalists in detailing the cases of four Iraqi reporters locked away by the United States in Iraq.

The same group last year named China as the world's leading jailer of journalists for the seventh consecutive year with 32 behind bars.

I guess China just had enough of these reports and retaliated...

 

[Polish3d]

hmmmm


Well they certainly aren't any better in BF2

 

[jlmadyson]

Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

The following human rights problems were reported:

denial of the right to change the government

physical abuse resulting in deaths in custody

torture and coerced confessions of prisoners

harassment, detention, and imprisonment of those perceived as threatening to party and government authority

arbitrary arrest and detention, including nonjudicial administrative detention, reeducation-through-labor, psychiatric detention, and extended or incommunicado pretrial detention

a politically controlled judiciary and a lack of due process in certain cases, especially those involving dissidents

detention of political prisoners, including those convicted of disclosing state secrets and

subversion, those convicted under the now-abolished crime of counterrevolution, and those jailed in connection with the 1989 Tiananmen demonstrations

house arrest and other nonjudicially approved surveillance and detention of dissidents
monitoring of citizens' mail, telephone and electronic communications

use of a coercive birth limitation policy, in some cases resulting in forced abortion and sterilization

increased restrictions on freedom of speech and the press; closure of newspapers and journals; banning of politically sensitive books, periodicals, and films; and jamming of some broadcast signals

restrictions on the freedom of assembly, including detention and abuse of demonstrators and petitioners

restrictions on religious freedom, control of religious groups, and harassment and detention of unregistered religious groups

restrictions on the freedom of travel, especially for politically sensitive and underground religious figures

forcible repatriation of North Koreans and inadequate protection of many refugees
severe government corruption

increased scrutiny, harassment and restrictions on independent domestic and foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) operations

trafficking in women and children

societal discrimination against women, minorities, and persons with disabilities
cultural and religious repression of minorities in Tibetan areas and Muslim areas of Xinjiang

restriction of labor rights, including freedom of association, the right to organize and bargain collectively, and worker health and safety

forced labor, including prison labor

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Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

 

[magomago]

While some of their criticisms are stupid(ie: complaining about our guns)...Amazingly enough I'll have to agree that our democracy here is just a game for the rich. Then again in China I think its the same thing~ its just a game for the rich also (and those with guns: ie: communist army)

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

The following human rights problems were reported:

denial of the right to change the government DIEBOLD😉

physical abuse resulting in deaths in custody

torture and coerced confessions of prisoners

harassment, detention, and imprisonment of those perceived as threatening to party and government authority

arbitrary arrest and detention, including nonjudicial administrative detention, , and extended or incommunicado pretrial detention

detention of political prisoners, including those convicted of disclosing state secrets and

subversionActually, half the Administration should be standing on treason charges,

nonjudicially approved surveillance and detention of dissidents
monitoring of citizens' mail, telephone and electronic communications

increased restrictions on freedom of speech and the press;

restrictions on the freedom of assembly Free speech zones

restrictions on the freedom of travel, especially for brown people.

increased scrutiny, harassment and restrictions on independent domestic and foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) operations Didn't the world kindly offer to help the US run their election properly last time?

restriction of labor rights, including freedom of association, the right to organize and bargain collectively, and worker health and safety so China is as anti-Union as the US?

forced labor, including prison labordon't you have chain gangs still

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Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

Sorry, which country are you talking about?

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

The following human rights problems were reported:

denial of the right to change the government DIEBOLD😉

physical abuse resulting in deaths in custody

torture and coerced confessions of prisoners

harassment, detention, and imprisonment of those perceived as threatening to party and government authority

arbitrary arrest and detention, including nonjudicial administrative detention, , and extended or incommunicado pretrial detention

detention of political prisoners, including those convicted of disclosing state secrets and

subversionActually, half the Administration should be standing on treason charges,

nonjudicially approved surveillance and detention of dissidents
monitoring of citizens' mail, telephone and electronic communications

increased restrictions on freedom of speech and the press;

restrictions on the freedom of assembly Free speech zones

restrictions on the freedom of travel, especially for brown people.

increased scrutiny, harassment and restrictions on independent domestic and foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) operations Didn't the world kindly offer to help the US run their election properly last time?

restriction of labor rights, including freedom of association, the right to organize and bargain collectively, and worker health and safety so China is as anti-Union as the US?

forced labor, including prison labordon't you have chain gangs still

Text

Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

Sorry, which country are you talking about?

China as the link indicates, read much?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

The following human rights problems were reported:

denial of the right to change the government DIEBOLD😉

physical abuse resulting in deaths in custody

torture and coerced confessions of prisoners

harassment, detention, and imprisonment of those perceived as threatening to party and government authority

arbitrary arrest and detention, including nonjudicial administrative detention, , and extended or incommunicado pretrial detention

detention of political prisoners, including those convicted of disclosing state secrets and

subversionActually, half the Administration should be standing on treason charges,

nonjudicially approved surveillance and detention of dissidents
monitoring of citizens' mail, telephone and electronic communications

increased restrictions on freedom of speech and the press;

restrictions on the freedom of assembly Free speech zones

restrictions on the freedom of travel, especially for brown people.

increased scrutiny, harassment and restrictions on independent domestic and foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) operations Didn't the world kindly offer to help the US run their election properly last time?

restriction of labor rights, including freedom of association, the right to organize and bargain collectively, and worker health and safety so China is as anti-Union as the US?

forced labor, including prison labordon't you have chain gangs still

Text

Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

Sorry, which country are you talking about?

China as the link indicates, read much?

You should have at least had a look then before posting it.

Close to half of the things aren't valid criticisms of the American government as well, you should have only posted those, it would have helped with credibility.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

While China is not exactly a beacon of human rights, they do make some valid points... we do meddle in other countries affairs, wiretap our citizens without warrant, favor the wealthy in politics...

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

The following human rights problems were reported:

denial of the right to change the government DIEBOLD😉

physical abuse resulting in deaths in custody

torture and coerced confessions of prisoners

harassment, detention, and imprisonment of those perceived as threatening to party and government authority

arbitrary arrest and detention, including nonjudicial administrative detention, , and extended or incommunicado pretrial detention

detention of political prisoners, including those convicted of disclosing state secrets and

subversionActually, half the Administration should be standing on treason charges,

nonjudicially approved surveillance and detention of dissidents
monitoring of citizens' mail, telephone and electronic communications

increased restrictions on freedom of speech and the press;

restrictions on the freedom of assembly Free speech zones

restrictions on the freedom of travel, especially for brown people.

increased scrutiny, harassment and restrictions on independent domestic and foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) operations Didn't the world kindly offer to help the US run their election properly last time?

restriction of labor rights, including freedom of association, the right to organize and bargain collectively, and worker health and safety so China is as anti-Union as the US?

forced labor, including prison labordon't you have chain gangs still

Text

Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

Sorry, which country are you talking about?

China as the link indicates, read much?

You should have at least had a look then before posting it.

Close to half of the things aren't valid criticisms of the American government as well, you should have only posted those, it would have helped with credibility.

No, I posted the facts. Consequently, it remains that China has nothing to talk about, period. Furthermore, providing just "half", as you have suggested, lacks credibility.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
No, I posted the facts. Consequently, the fact remains that China has nothing to talk about, period. Furthermore, providing just "half", as you have suggested, lacks credibility.

Of course it does - so does your post!

The point is your post translates as 'we're only doing what you're doing', so why was it worth making?

Establishing moral equivalency with China is hardly something that should fill you with pride.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
No, I posted the facts. Consequently, the fact remains that China has nothing to talk about, period. Furthermore, providing just "half", as you have suggested, lacks credibility.

Of course it does - so does your post!

The point is your post translates as 'we're only doing what you're doing', so why was it worth making?

Establishing moral equivalency with China is hardly something that should fill you with pride.

No, it goes beyond that, exactly why you decided to leave "half" of those points out of my quote. Catch the drift?

i.e.

trafficking in women and children

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

While China is not exactly a beacon of human rights, they do make some valid points... we do meddle in other countries affairs, wiretap our citizens without warrant, favor the wealthy in politics...

Are you serious?


You don't think China does 10x worse?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
No, I posted the facts. Consequently, the fact remains that China has nothing to talk about, period. Furthermore, providing just "half", as you have suggested, lacks credibility.

Of course it does - so does your post!

The point is your post translates as 'we're only doing what you're doing', so why was it worth making?

Establishing moral equivalency with China is hardly something that should fill you with pride.

No, it goes beyond that, exactly why you decided to leave "half" of those points out of my quote. Catch the drift?

I left only the ones that apply to both China and the United States.

The main reason I didn't leave them all in was that it's 1 in the morning and I'm not up to the task of bolding, commenting, etc in a way that is legible; the full list and a link were already posted by you.

For example, I could not reasonably claim that the United States has policies which result in coerced abortion and/or sterilization, and while the opposite sort of 'control' is certainly a dream of the social conservative set, it hasn't happened, so I would be overstepping to claim that. Thus that item was not quoted.

edit for your edit: I'm not aware of any American government involvement or support for trafficking in women and children, and I'm not about to make a ridiculous and unsupported claim that there is such involvement.

 

[CanOWorms]

You can come up with a list of human rights abuses for any country. The big issue is the severity or degree.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
For example, I could not reasonably claim that the United States has policies which result in coerced abortion and/or sterilization, and while the opposite sort of 'control' is certainly a dream of the social conservative set, it hasn't happened, so I would be overstepping to claim that. Thus that item was not quoted.

Freedom to reproduce? 😕

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
For example, I could not reasonably claim that the United States has policies which result in coerced abortion and/or sterilization, and while the opposite sort of 'control' is certainly a dream of the social conservative set, it hasn't happened, so I would be overstepping to claim that. Thus that item was not quoted.

Freedom to reproduce? 😕

I would be referring to 'freedom from birth control', but as I said, it hasn't happened, the SD is pushing hard for it at this very moment.

 

[RichardE]

I think most people should not be arguing who is worse here, the US or China, for we all know, whether we like to admit it or not, that China is worse. The thing you should be arguing, worried about, is how, as well as why, is the US catching up to China so quickly in this game of population control, censorship, ect. The only reason that the US is not as bad as China is because the laws are not in place fully that would enable them to be. Those laws though, are being put in place, the foundation is being set, and you really have to wonder why the US is pulling towards China at full steam in the human rights violations. Right now, yes, China is worse, does anyone here really belive that will still be the same in 10 years, as US goes towards more violations, and China becomes less of a human rights violator?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big surprise, who would liked to be called out for human rights abuses such as the following;

Red China has nothing to talk about, period.

While China is not exactly a beacon of human rights, they do make some valid points... we do meddle in other countries affairs, wiretap our citizens without warrant, favor the wealthy in politics...

Are you serious?


You don't think China does 10x worse?

They are irrelevant.. Just because they aren't great, does that mean we shouldn't improve our problems? Saying "they are just as bad as us" is not a valid argument. Their criticisms are 100% correct and we shouldn't be invading other countries and trying to make them into democracies when ours is as messed up as it is.

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I think most people should not be arguing who is worse here, the US or China, for we all know, whether we like to admit it or not, that China is worse. The thing you should be arguing, worried about, is how, as well as why, is the US catching up to China so quickly in this game of population control, censorship, ect. The only reason that the US is not as bad as China is because the laws are not in place fully that would enable them to be. Those laws though, are being put in place, the foundation is being set, and you really have to wonder why the US is pulling towards China at full steam in the human rights violations. Right now, yes, China is worse, does anyone here really belive that will still be the same in 10 years, as US goes towards more violations, and China becomes less of a human rights violator?

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I think most people should not be arguing who is worse here, the US or China, for we all know, whether we like to admit it or not, that China is worse. The thing you should be arguing, worried about, is how, as well as why, is the US catching up to China so quickly in this game of population control, censorship, ect. The only reason that the US is not as bad as China is because the laws are not in place fully that would enable them to be. Those laws though, are being put in place, the foundation is being set, and you really have to wonder why the US is pulling towards China at full steam in the human rights violations. Right now, yes, China is worse, does anyone here really belive that will still be the same in 10 years, as US goes towards more violations, and China becomes less of a human rights violator?

QFT.

 

[thraashman]

I do have to say I think it's indredibly arrogant of us to lambast other countries for their human rights violations and expect an outcry from the internatioanl community. Because when we commit human rights violations and do get an outcry from the international community we basically say "we're Americans, we can do whatever we want and you can do nothing about it." It needs to stop! We need to stop being such damn hypocrits.

 

[Genx87]

Pot, yes this is the kettling calling.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Are you serious?


You don't think China does 10x worse?

"It is not goodness to be better than the worst." -Seneca

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Are you serious?


You don't think China does 10x worse?

"It is not goodness to be better than the worst." -Seneca

Bingo! Most Americans have no idea just how bad China sux. They also have no clue just how bad human rights abuses are in the USA (and our branches in Cuba, Iraq, Africa, and the Pacific).

When AI, HRW, or the UN cite the atrocious behavior of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia (oops nevermind), Pakistan (did I say that?), or North Korea . . . US officials latch onto every syllable.

When these same organizations train an eye on US policies . . . they become meddlers and "politicized" groups.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Pot, yes this is the kettling calling.

Hurry, someone is protesting! Let's ki... Oh wait, that's China 😉