China - Saving Face, up close and personal

fuzzybabybunny

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China - Saving Face

Dali Old Town is a thriving mountain community on the banks of Erhai lake. A year ago there was an Indian tourist who got stranded on the mountain, which can get as high as around 12,000ft and is covered in snow. This mountain range is no joke. He phoned down to the town and a group of professional western mountain and rock climbers, the first of their kind in the community, quickly gathered together to form a rescue party. When they got to the trail entrance they were refused entrance by the local Chinese police, their logic being that they didn't want to put anyone else in danger. Dali does not have an official mountain rescue team and the local officials are not qualified or even interested in mountain rescue.

The rescue party could not get into the mountain. The local authorities did not go up to get him. No one went up.

The man died, alone, despite being able to communicate via cell phone to the party down below.

The same thing happened two nights ago. A foreign hiker staying at one of the local western hostels took a wrong turn while descending, slipped down into a steep valley, and became stranded. He could not go further down or further up and both night and snow began falling. He phoned the hostel at 5:30PM.

Upon hearing this, the local western community immediately dropped everything and formed a volunteer rescue team of professional mountain rescuers to go save their mate. They let the police know, but spurred from last year's event, they knew they had to dash up the mountain before the police could close off the area. Nothing was going to get in the way of them saving their friend. Within an hour this team, a melting pot of professionals from all parts of the world, was already dashing up the mountain carrying headlamps, ropes, carabiners, harnesses, extra clothes, and beginning the search. At 11PM they finally found the lost hiker and the resulting 3 hour rescue back up the steep valley ended in success. The local authorities couldn't be found anywhere during this entire period, despite telling the rescue team multiple times that they were coming up as well. By 3AM everyone walked out of there alive, past the police waiting at the foot of the mountain, to share beers and warm stew back in town.

This became big news on China's version of Twitter, Weibo. Reporters swarmed the area. Yesterday a friend of mine who was following the situation told me that the police, desiring to save face, lied to the Chinese Weibo community that they had actually spent all night roaming the mountain trying to find this guy, when they were actually just waiting at the base of the mountain in a repeat of last year's situation. Due to their "heroic efforts", the police became the heroes and the lost hiker became the bad guy for doing such a stupid thing as getting stranded on a mountain and putting all these hard working policemen in danger. The foreign rescue party hardly got any mention.

Upon hearing this "official account" and of the Chinese public opinion, the rescuers said,

"Doesn't matter. We got our mate back."

A friend of mine, who is Chinese, said that on this day he was ashamed to be Chinese.

This gives me tremendous hope.

What good is saving face if your public face is a lie? Your own personal, internal accountability to yourself should be what matters most to YOU. Provided your principles are sound, this is what should guide your actions. If you know what you're doing is wrong, don't do it. If you know what you're doing is just and good, fight for it.

My hope is that my friend, who is young, will be representative of the new generation of Chinese, a generation that holds themselves to a high level of accountability with solid principles to back up their character. I want him to usher in a revolutionary, honorable age of Chinese civilization, free from the effects of needing to save face at whatever cost, such as lying or covering up the facts to millions of your own people.

No matter what country or part of the world you're from, we're all in this short existence together. We all need more people like my friend and the selfless mountain rescuers.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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I'm not quite sure what you expected. There is someone out there who lives near a mountain, is a douchebag, and is in a position of power. Whoop dee doo.
 

Charles Kozierok

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Great story. Thanks for sharing.

Unfortunate that you had to do it in a place where you were guaranteed to get thoughtless, moronic responses.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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I'm glad to report that a team of people worked tirelessly last night on Weibo to set the record straight. The police has not issued a response to the new facts yet.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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We get it. You hate your heritage. Move on.

Since heritage is something that one cannot choose of their own accord, I place little value on such silly things. What I choose is my own. And I choose what I wrote in the OP's conclusion.
 

dud

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I'm glad to report that a team of people worked tirelessly last night on Weibo to set the record straight. The police has not issued a response to the new facts yet.


Can you provide an English-language link to this report?
 

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To be a Chinese,I believe it is true. In China,many official were that what you said like many other countries,I think.
But keep a watchful eye on China,It will be better.because of more and more freedom monitoring by wiser Chinese people and more public media report.
Trust me,keep your eyes,China will be better tomorrow.
 

Svnla

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OP, are you still safe and sound? You haven't get into any kind of trouble with the authorities in China, right (from your many critical posts about Chinese government)?
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Can you provide an English-language link to this report?

The official news reports are not even on the Chinese news sites yet. Right now it's just an ongoing debate on Weibo. Will update when I find it. Most likely whatever news article I find will need to be Google translated.

OP, are you still safe and sound? You haven't get into any kind of trouble with the authorities in China, right (from your many critical posts about Chinese government)?

I'm currently ok. But then again, that can change immediately. You generally don't get into trouble with the government until you're actually in trouble, which can be immediate and unexpected.

My dad flew to China after 25 years of being an American. Two Chinese government officials were sitting down waiting for him in his hotel room one night. Wanted to see what took him so long to visit China, wanted to know what he was up to, and wanted to "take him on a tour of his hometown to show him how much it has changed."
 

HamburgerBoy

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The official news reports are not even on the Chinese news sites yet. Right now it's just an ongoing debate on Weibo. Will update when I find it. Most likely whatever news article I find will need to be Google translated.



I'm currently ok. But then again, that can change immediately. You generally don't get into trouble with the government until you're actually in trouble, which can be immediate and unexpected.

My dad flew to China after 25 years of being an American. Two Chinese government officials were sitting down waiting for him in his hotel room one night. Wanted to see what took him so long to visit China, wanted to know what he was up to, and wanted to "take him on a tour of his hometown to show him how much it has changed."

What happened when he declined?
 

fuzzybabybunny

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What happened when he declined?

He surrounded himself with his family beforehand. They provided interference.

They didn't ask him to go on the tour immediately. A dinner invitation was arranged. And family was brought.

The government in this situation was not overtly "get in the car." They had a present a face of civility.
 

dighn

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My dad flew to China after 25 years of being an American. Two Chinese government officials were sitting down waiting for him in his hotel room one night. Wanted to see what took him so long to visit China, wanted to know what he was up to, and wanted to "take him on a tour of his hometown to show him how much it has changed."

wtf? your dad is either important or got on the government's bad side somehow. that's not normal treatment.

BTW you seem obsessed with this stuff. if you try to dig up shit you can from anywhere (granted, it is easier in china). you are american; none of it has anything to do with you. just have fun if you are still over there and when you are back in the us none of it will matter.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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wtf? your dad is either important or got on the government's bad side somehow. that's not normal treatment.

BTW you seem obsessed with this stuff. if you try to dig up shit you can from anywhere (granted, it is easier in china). you are american; none of it has anything to do with you. just have fun if you are still over there and when you are back in the us none of it will matter.

My dad has tenuous associations with the Buddhist organization Falun Gong.

It matters. It matters to the people over here. It matters to the friends I have over here. It certainly matters to the world as China's government becomes a world power.
 

djnsmith7

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Not surprised in the least about the first half of the story. What I would expect. Unfortunate for the first guy. Good thing the second guy made it.
 

lxskllr

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Next time you go to China, please take Nuclear Ned.

:^D

That would be a great business opportunity. Free vacations in exchange for an interesting, personalized documentary of your experience.
 

DaWhim

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He surrounded himself with his family beforehand. They provided interference.

They didn't ask him to go on the tour immediately. A dinner invitation was arranged. And family was brought.

The government in this situation was not overtly "get in the car." They had a present a face of civility.

interesting, what is your father's background? they usually don't care....

was he one of those students who fled the country back in 1989?
 

mmntech

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Time for Fuzzy to get out of that tin pot dictatorship and come home me thinks.
 

lupi

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but did he lose his cellphone, and was he alone because his parents decided not to atend the group trip at the last moment?