China ruins Thanksgiving for US sailors and families

maddogchen

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China blocked a long-planned Thanksgiving visit to Hong Kong by a U.S. aircraft carrier group, ruining the holiday reunion for 8,000 airmen and sailors and hundreds of their families who had flown to Hong Kong to see them.

Hours after the Kitty Hawk and its support ships were turned away, China changed its mind and said the ships could anchor at Hong Kong. But it was too late and the ships would continue on to its home port in Japan, the U.S. Pacific Fleet in Hawaii told Reuters.

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Wow what turds! Way to ruin the holiday spirit.

8000 sailors won't be spending thanksgiving with their families. Those families that travelled to Hong Kong will have to figure out other plans now. And Kittyhawk visits Hong Kong twice a year and is scheduled to be decommissioned soon so it was sorta a special farewell.
 

fallout man

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Maybe the Chinese govenment didn't have Turkey Day marked on their calendar. That's quite a faux pas.

I'm sorry for all the sailors--I enjoy Thanksgiving a lot, and can't imagine eating processed turkey-flavored rations as the celebratory dinner.

I didn't know that sailor's families flew out to HK to visit their loved ones like this every year. That's fucking awesome.
 

GrGr

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Heh. The Chinese recently gave the finger to the US when the US tried to flex it's military muscle to impress China. Looks like the Chinese gave the USS Kitty Hawk the finger again.

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

Daily Mail

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.


By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

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Kitty Hawk

Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

Too damn funny.



 

dmcowen674

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China rules

Dave that was a vicious troll. :| Unacceptable! Our troops work hard for us and for you to find anything cool about them not being able to reunite with their families on this holiday is disgusting.

Please take a week elsewhere, so you can realize that you have no special status here above common decency.

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BoomerD

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China opens Hong Kong to U.S. carrier

HONG KONG (Reuters) - China blocked a long-planned Thanksgiving visit to Hong Kong by a U.S. aircraft carrier group, then abruptly changed its mind on Thursday.

But it was too late to save the holiday visit. A U.S. official said the trip has since been scrapped and the ships continued steaming to their Japanese base.
The USS Kitty Hawk group and its 8,000 airmen and sailors were expected in Hong Kong on Wednesday, but the U.S. State Department said the visit had been refused by China.

Hundreds of relatives of U.S. crew members had flown to Hong Kong to celebrate Thanksgiving on Thursday. Later in the day, China appeared to have relented, announcing the carrier would be allowed to stop by the former British colony after all.

"We have decided to allow the Kitty Hawk to stay in Hong Kong during Thanksgiving," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told a news conference. "It is a decision based on humanitarian considerations only."

But a spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Fleet in Hawaii told Reuters the ships were not heading back to Hong Kong and were on course towards the Kitty Hawk's base in Japan.

"The Kitty Hawk's returning to Yokosuka," said Lieutenant Commander John Filostrat. He said he was not in a position to say why the ships did not head to Hong Kong after the Chinese reversal or if a turnaround would have been too late.

"When they were refused entry they began heading back and that remains the situation," he said.

The holiday misadventure has left families dismayed and could become a diplomatic tiff.

"I miss my daddy," said Mark Curry, 14, whose father is aboard one of the vessels. "We thought he was going to be there, but we don't know what actually happened. I was just depressed."

MEETING WITH DALAI LAMA TO BLAME?

The Chinese move came as a surprise just weeks after a visit to China by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, which he hoped would lead to a long-term dialogue.

Spokesman Liu did not say why the ships had been blocked in the first place, but there are issues that might have prompted Beijing's action.

Washington plans to sell Taiwan a $940 million upgrade to its missile system and there was last month's meeting between U.S. President George W. Bush and the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist leader whom Beijing considers a traitor.

Last year, a Chinese submarine surfaced unusually close to the Kitty Hawk near the Japanese island of Okinawa, an incident that highlighted the potential for friction between the two powers.

Beijing's move coincided with "airspace controls" introduced on Wednesday which the Xinhua news agency said affected the air travel plans of 7,000 people in south and east China.

The controls had been ordered for "unspecified reasons."

The Kitty Hawk, laid down in 1956, has the second longest active service of any ship in the U.S. navy after the USS Constitution, a 208-year-old ceremonial sailing ship kept in Boston Harbor.

It is the only conventionally fuelled carrier in the U.S. fleet and is due to be decommissioned next year.

Hong Kong, especially its raucous Wanchai bar district, has long been a regular port of call for resting U.S. sailors. The Kitty Hawk visited there for a Thanksgiving stopover in 2005.

"For a lot of guys, this (Hong Kong) is their favorite port in the entire area of operations for us in the Western Pacific," a U.S. navy member told Reuters.

"Everyone in Wanchai is disappointed," said Cady Chan, the manager of the New Makati Inn, a popular nightspot for sailors.

"This was the last time the Kitty Hawk was coming to Hong Kong, this would have been a red-hot time."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...wUSfoB8R2LYDIRrkdlM3wV


Hopefully, this will cause a major rift in US/China relations and we stop importing goods from China as a way of telling them to go fuck themselves. Don't want to let our sailors have R&R in Hong Kong? No problem...sell your toxic goods to someone else.
 

Pepsei

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they should just have a base in Taiwan again like they used to... oh wait...
 

senseamp

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Let's face it, if the Chinese fleet wanted to have a holiday reunion at Pearl Harbor, we'd block them too.
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Let's face it, if the Chinese fleet wanted to have a holiday reunion at Pearl Harbor, we'd block them too.

True, but they have, to my knowledge, never had one at Pearl Harbor.

The US Navy has used Hong Kong as a port of call for years - of course most of that time the UK was running things in HK. When I was there the bars, shops, etc. would roll out the red carpet for the Yanks.

 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
China rules

I'll refrain from calling you an idiot on Thanksgiving, but you know we're all thinking it.

Is there something factually incorrect with saying China rules? As if this very topic is not self evidence.
 

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It's almost as if they are pursuing their own interests, independent of what we want.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Perknose
It's almost as if they are pursuing their own interests, independent of what we want.

What is the US holiday, Thanksgiving, to the Chinese and why should they care?*

*I am not trying to be a troll.
 

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Originally posted by: woodie1
Originally posted by: senseamp
Let's face it, if the Chinese fleet wanted to have a holiday reunion at Pearl Harbor, we'd block them too.

True, but they have, to my knowledge, never had one at Pearl Harbor.

The US Navy has used Hong Kong as a port of call for years - of course most of that time the UK was running things in HK. When I was there the bars, shops, etc. would roll out the red carpet for the Yanks.

So basically you are appealing to tradition. It's there country not ours and they have a right to refuse a ship to dock if they so feel like it. When HK was under British rule things were different no one would argue that but now HK is under new management and they could careless about a
American holiday and allowing a US carrier to dock in their waters.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Sounds a bit like the local officials didn't know what to make of it, said 'No' first, and then asked their superiors. By the time it reached a high-ranking official who said 'Yes' and that answer got back to those local officials the ships had already left again.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: woodie1
Originally posted by: senseamp
Let's face it, if the Chinese fleet wanted to have a holiday reunion at Pearl Harbor, we'd block them too.

True, but they have, to my knowledge, never had one at Pearl Harbor.

The US Navy has used Hong Kong as a port of call for years - of course most of that time the UK was running things in HK. When I was there the bars, shops, etc. would roll out the red carpet for the Yanks.

So basically you are appealing to tradition. It's there country not ours and they have a right to refuse a ship to dock if they so feel like it. When HK was under British rule things were different no one would argue that but now HK is under new management and they could careless about a
American holiday and allowing a US carrier to dock in their waters.

Yup if the US Navy cared that much about it's sailors they should have scheduled the Kitty Hawk for Pearl Harbor or something for Thanksgiving. Guess it is easier to point the fingers at the "evil" Chinese instead...

 

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So the US is allowed to do things to piss off the Chinese but the Chinese can't strike back? Fuck that. Too damn bad. These are soldiers, right? No need to shed tears or get angry. They knew what they were getting into. I'm not sure which is worse, the unbelievable arrogance and contempt America shows towards China or the shock and hurt feelings Americans have when other nations dish out the same cold soup?
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
China rules

I'll refrain from calling you an idiot on Thanksgiving, but you know we're all thinking it.

Is there something factually incorrect with saying China rules? As if this very topic is not self evidence.
The US has certainly lost 'cred,' and its standing in the world community will continue to erode. I fear it's the inevitable decline that befalls any empire.
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: Narmer
So the US is allowed to do things to piss off the Chinese but the Chinese can't strike back? Fuck that. Too damn bad. These are soldiers, right? No need to shed tears or get angry. They knew what they were getting into. I'm not sure which is worse, the unbelievable arrogance and contempt America shows towards China or the shock and hurt feelings Americans have when other nations dish out the same cold soup?

You'er right. China can do whatever they want. But you acting like their cheerleading captain is disgusting. :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown:
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: Perknose
It's almost as if they are pursuing their own interests, independent of what we want.

What is the US holiday, Thanksgiving, to the Chinese and why should they care?*

*I am not trying to be a troll.

+1
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Sounds a bit like the local officials didn't know what to make of it, said 'No' first, and then asked their superiors. By the time it reached a high-ranking official who said 'Yes' and that answer got back to those local officials the ships had already left again.

no, it was a scheduled visit. Not like you drive by a friend's house and go hey can I spend thanksgiving here? Which would be rude. The Chinese had plenty of time to cancel a planned visit beforehand. Plus the carrier visited Hong Kong twice a year so it has past precedence too. Which means the Chinese were intentionally being rude in not informing the US that it would not allow the carrier group in until they were at their doorstep. Then they changed their minds later.

 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: Narmer
So the US is allowed to do things to piss off the Chinese but the Chinese can't strike back? Fuck that. Too damn bad. These are soldiers, right? No need to shed tears or get angry. They knew what they were getting into. I'm not sure which is worse, the unbelievable arrogance and contempt America shows towards China or the shock and hurt feelings Americans have when other nations dish out the same cold soup?

You'er right. China can do whatever they want. But you acting like their cheerleading captain is disgusting. :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown:

That joke is always happy to cheer anyone who sticks it to the US.

 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
What's with you and your ilk imitating Harvey lately? It's kind of humorous (sic?).

By the way, I believe in equality. Don't shit on others then act surprised when they do the same to you.

Harvey has not posted in this thread, Sinsear. 1 week off.

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piasabird

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Maybe the US in return should not allow any US citizens to legally travel to Hong Kong for now on. We could refuse to allown and Hong Kong Ships like the one that polluted the US Harbor on the west coast with oil to have port of calls in the USA.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe the US in return should not allow any US citizens to legally travel to Hong Kong for now on. We could refuse to allown and Hong Kong Ships like the one that polluted the US Harbor on the west coast with oil to have port of calls in the USA.

Hmmm, a travel ban like the one to Cuba???

WHY do we permit our citizens to visit any communist country, EXCEPT Cuba?

I'm all for banning Chinese ships from our ports...