China Pulls Almost Even With 1930's Japan

[ichy]

I'm no military expert by a long shot, but aren't aircraft carriers these days pretty much the equilvalent of battleships in WWII? Too expensive, too vulnerable and designed to fight the last war. A main function of aircraft carriers these days is to "show the flag" which could just as easily be accomplished with a training carrier.

If your objective is to project power from the sea and conduct expeditionary warfare then aircraft carriers are most certainly not obsolete. The Falklands War is a perfect example of a relatively modern conflict that could not have been won without carrier based air power.

OTOH if your only objective is to deny a certain area of the sea to others then other weapons like subs, mines & relatively cheap missile platforms are probably a much more economical way of doing that. If China simply wants to keep the US Navy away from say, Taiwain then yeah, carriers probably aren't the way to go. If they want to go out and have the ability to seize islands in the South China Sea then they'll want carrier based airpower.

 

[Darwin333]

I disagree. They facilitate a mobile airfield from which air power can be projected anywhere it's needed. There is still a place for this capability in the modern armed forces.

Absolutely but I think the way things are looking that new aircraft carriers will be much much smaller and cheaper than current one due to smaller drone aircraft being the primary aircraft (perhaps the only) being launched. This allows you to have more of them and losing one isn't as much of a blow.

 

[Agent11]

The US has the best navy in the world. They wouldn't last long.

How many submarines do you think the chinese have?

Then there is air superiority, we have the best air force as well. And a long standing infrastructure for supply and logistics.

 

[DietDrThunder]

The idea of China invading the United States is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

You think that is absurd, just wait until you see the new "Red Dawn" movie where it is North Korea invading the U.S.

 

[Perknose]

You think that is absurd, just wait until you see the new "Red Dawn" movie where it is North Korea invading the U.S.

I believe the subtitle is, "They Came In Search of Food."

 

[amish]

the entire concept of large armies, the US having a hot war with Russia or China, or the US being invaded and occupied by a foreign army is laughable.

 

[bfdd]

I believe the subtitle is, "They Came In Search of Food."

Lol that was a good one

 

[JTsyo]

I would be impressed if China can maintain a fighting force 1000 miles from their border. While China can field a large army at home, I doubt it has the logistics to to support them in the field even in Asia. Both India and Russia would be impossible for China to overcome with its conventional forces. SE asia is already heavily populated and pointless for China to absorb. Trying to expand into the Pacific islands would bring the US into it and that's a no brainer for who has naval superiority.

 

[Pocatello]

China has already infiltrated most of the other Asian countries. Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc has a very large Chinese population. Spies everywhere. The U.S defense companies are already deeply compromised. The F-35 development, for example, was monitored very closely by the Chinese.

 

[Karl Agathon]

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

Ok?? I do remember reading about this. its still a far cry from a Chinese invasion force. What does that one cherry picked incident have to do with an invasion force? Red China has a capable navy no doubt, still no where near a match for the USN. Any naval expert will confirm this.

 

[BurnItDwn]

they could defeat America and then colonize and enslave with half the power theyve built up, all things considered.

Really? Their fleet of one aircraft carrier? I'm sorry, but they simply don't have the naval power or the abillity to project it yet. They are 100 years behind in tech, and while they have numbers, and I would not want to be involved in a long infantry or armor based slugging match with them, we are not too much at risk of China attacking.

Also, we buy a LOT of their crap, they most likely would prefer the mutual economic exploitation that we have going on now over having their economy ruined.

Neither Japan nor nazi Germany really wanted to fight America,

America was not their immediate target, however don't think for a momment that they did not have long term plans for us.

Chinese people have higher T levels on avg so they're far more likely to do more to us without us doing anything near what we did to Japan ( or nazi Germany for that matter.)

I see you obviously own some real estate on bullshit mountain. Did you win the land? Or did you have to purchase it?

 

[Karl Agathon]

Good post by the op, but they could defeat America and then colonize and enslave with half the power theyve built up, all things considered. I think the probability it will happen is significant.

 

[nyker96]

this title isn't accurate, you are using single area of military expertise to judge Chinese army. If their carrier program is rudimentary and merely at 1930s japan then everything in their arsenal is 1930s levels. Well that ain't right, was there nukes in 1930s? jet fighters? even satalite or drones? well they got them all. so can't say their entire military is on par w/ 1930s japan.

 

[werepossum]

I believe the subtitle is, "They Came In Search of Food."

The invasion force has been stalled - they discovered a Piggly Wiggly and have stopped in their tracks. Some of the soldiers have eaten so much they can now legally ride without a booster seat.

 

[werepossum]

I believe the subtitle is, "They Came In Search of Food."

this title isn't accurate, you are using single area of military expertise to judge Chinese army. If their carrier program is rudimentary and merely at 1930s japan then everything in their arsenal is 1930s levels. Well that ain't right, was there nukes in 1930s? jet fighters? even satalite or drones? well they got them all. so can't say their entire military is on par w/ 1930s japan.

Pretty sure Perk's point was not to rigorously equate China to either the technological level of 1930s Japan (excellent by then-current standards but woefully out of date now) or the relative strength of 1930s Japan compared to its contemporaries, but rather to humorously deflate those who equate Red Chinese military strength with US military strength. Or more precisely, the ability of Red China to project military power with US ability to do same; a nation invading Red China would face a very, very different scenario than would a nation defending against a Red Chinese invasion.

The Internet, she is not always so literal, amigo.

 

[randomrogue]

Shouldn't this thread be in some other section? I move for a new forum section "Insane Asylum"

 

[PandaBear]

To be "fair", Russian analysts said if US is not involved Chinese navy and Japanese SDF are pretty even in terms of power, but if US is involved, then China will lose by a wide margin.

What it doesn't said, is if the goal is to destroy infrastructure of Japan instead of occupy Japan, will Japan be able to stop it? and how much damage can China take when their military and economy are relatively low tech and disposable, and can be easily rebuild.