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GodlessAstronomer said:
The reason America can't get these kinds of project done anymore is because the people will just criticize the government for trying to build a socialist nation if they spend government money on large projects. If your government tried to build the interstate or send a man to the moon in today's political climate you would have Tea Partiers convincing citizens that it's nothing but an oppressive dictatorship expanding their power. And many people would totally buy it. In my opinion, anyway.
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And you'd be 100% incorrect, seriously stop posting about subjects you have no clue about.
 
GodlessAstronomer said:
The reason America can't get these kinds of project done anymore is because the people will just criticize the government for trying to build a socialist nation if they spend government money on large projects. If your government tried to build the interstate or send a man to the moon in today's political climate you would have Tea Partiers convincing citizens that it's nothing but an oppressive dictatorship expanding their power. And many people would totally buy it. In my opinion, anyway.
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Except... right now.... The government WANTS to build a nationwide high speed rail system..

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but.. a bunch of newly elected republicants want to kill the whole thing.
 
guyver01 said:
Except... right now.... The government WANTS to build a nationwide high speed rail system..


but.. a bunch of newly elected republicants want to kill the whole thing.
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That's because your government is nothing but a bunch of socialist beatniks.
 
Mike Gayner said:
That's because your government is nothing but a bunch of socialist beatniks.
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Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production.

Beatnik, a media stereotype of the 1950s and early 1960s, was a synthesis of the more superficial aspects of the Beat Generation literary movement of the 1950s. Kerouac introduced the phrase "Beat Generation" in 1948, generalizing from his social circle to characterize the underground, anti-conformist youth gathering in New York at that time.


So... our government is made of people who are underground non-conformists.. who want cooperative management of industry?


Well... i guess it's better than having a queen.
 
guyver01 said:
Except... right now.... The government WANTS to build a nationwide high speed rail system..

high-speed-rail-system-map.jpg


but.. a bunch of newly elected republicants want to kill the whole thing.
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just how many people really are going to commute across a state every day?

There are priorities. Water systems, bridges which are on the verge of falling..remember that last one that fell? High speed rail doesn't work in a low density country. It is solving a problem that doesn't need to be solved.
 
0roo0roo said:
just how many people really are going to commute across a state every day?

There are priorities. Water systems, bridges which are on the verge of falling..remember that last one that fell? High speed rail doesn't work in a low density country. It is solving a problem that doesn't need to be solved.
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Infrastructure on all levels in this country has been underfunded for decades. Meanwhile we've spent madly on everything from social programs to various wars. The Infrastructure Bank (an old idea brought up by Obama) should be a high priority for Congress. Unfortunately the current politics will just paint it as frivolous pork spending that shouldn't be done. A major disaster is going to have to occur for people to get the message that these things don't take care of themselves.

Rail is a viable alternative in some regions, particularly where the road and air systems are already overburdened. The Northeast (which already has HUGE rail ridership), the Chicago Hub (St. Louis, Indianapolis, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis), and the CA system should all be aggressively funded since that's where the need actually is. As the country grows these systems would serve as the base for new connections as needed, eventually growing into a national system over the years.
 
ya mean like the I35 bridge collapse in Minneapolis? that should have be a wake up call, and it was for a few years but now it back to the same thing. the attitude in politics is going to have to change before we have any real will power to improve out infrastructure.
 
0roo0roo said:
just how many people really are going to commute across a state every day?

There are priorities. Water systems, bridges which are on the verge of falling..remember that last one that fell? High speed rail doesn't work in a low density country. It is solving a problem that doesn't need to be solved.
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there are certain point to point systems that would definitely be economically feasible. I'd say the following links have merit:

LA <-> Vegas
San Diego <-> LA <-> San Francisco
Boston <-> NYC <-> Philly <-> DC <-> Richmond <-> Raleigh
St Louis <-> Chicago

and countless other well-travelled corridors. Basically High Speed Rail along both coasts is well justified and guaranteed huge riderships as that is pretty much where Southwest Airlines and US Airways makes most of their money. Just because the total lines proposed in the diagram above stretches from coast to coast does not mean that anyone will actually be using it to replace air travel from say, california to ny. The overwhelming majority of flights in the US are under 3 hours, so just having high speed rail can provide a cheaper/safer/more environmental alternative to a good 90% of domestic flights.
 
The US peaked 10 years ago. It's gonna do nothing but decline from here. China on the other hand is rapidly ascending, and will probably be the place to be in 50 years.
 
bignateyk said:
The US peaked 10 years ago. It's gonna do nothing but decline from here. China on the other hand is rapidly ascending, and will probably be the place to be in 50 years.
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70s stagflation, then the japanese...now the chinese. the predictions have been wrong plenty. china has its own issues, demographic time bomb, even if part of the country catches up, the burden of the rest of the billion+ will drag it down.
 
Imdmn04 said:
Totalitarian gets shit done, fast.

In the U.S., you will have industry groups lobbying shit for years, then another environment impact study for a few more years, then govt approval on every level, blah blah blah. By the time it is done, you might not be around to actually benefit from it anymore.
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Works all the way down to illegal labor doing construction/landscaping and parents getting their kids to obey. Quick and effective doesn't exist with all the laws in the way.
 
0roo0roo said:
tend to be extremely limited form of travel, business or visits planned in advance. not something you do that often or on a whim. airliners already provide this service for the occasional traveler, so spending billions on a high speed rail network is spending on massive redundancy.
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On a per person basis yes, but millions travel by air every year and have no problems getting around after their flight lands. There's no reason the HSR industry can't piggy back off the same services provided for airline travelers.
 
how many hours ahead of time do you have to arrive at the airport these days, for the flying advocates?

if i can avoid the TSA pat downs/scanners/security checks, trains alone are worth it for me.
 
Don't you know the real reason?
The U-S-A is going to leapfrog everyone in 2015 when they demonstrate teleportation. 😀

Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads!
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DesiPower said:
its our money, so in a way we helped create it...

Trains dont make sense in US because of population density and distance between towns.
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HURRDURR! How is it our money? It's their money now... I can't believe the way people in this country think. Everyday I understand more and more why the ruling class in this country operate the way they do, people in this country don't deserve nice things.
 
potluv said:
HURRDURR! How is it our money? It's their money now... I can't believe the way people in this country think. Everyday I understand more and more why the ruling class in this country operate the way they do, people in this country don't deserve nice things.
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If anything, the US is spending China's money these days.
 
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