All the tree huggers and liberals in California better watch out. Sweet, innocent China now can hit the Western US with Mobile ICBMs. Looks like Klinton gave them just what they needed.
China's nuclear Buildup
China's nuclear Buildup
China Now can hit the Western US with Nuclear Weapons
- Thread starter Texmaster
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<< yes, and this has ANYTHING to do with tree huggers and liberals. right.... >>
When the head of China's CIA gives hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Democratic Party and China miraculusly leaps 30 years ahead in missile technology once Clinton gave permission for US companies to launch Chinese Satillites you don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure out what happened.
Who cares.
If one is launched, they are all launched, and you have nothing more to worry about after that.
If one is launched, they are all launched, and you have nothing more to worry about after that.
You've got issues, TEX, issues so far up your arse we can't even imagine... You're paraniod, and all you like to do is come here and start your arrogant dribble with people.
Assuming the facts your're implying here...
1. IF YOU can steal secrets from another country to protect your own country, wouldn't you?
2. Would you apologize for it?
3. Wouldn't you think you have the right to protect your own country through any such means?
4. Would you use these weapons as leverage or would you just fire them knowing the US has tons of nuclear subs poised right at you?
Anyone can see you have two agendas here. One, to bait people into arguing with you. Two, to get people to hate Democrats and China.
You're such a steaming pile of BS...
Assuming the facts your're implying here...
1. IF YOU can steal secrets from another country to protect your own country, wouldn't you?
2. Would you apologize for it?
3. Wouldn't you think you have the right to protect your own country through any such means?
4. Would you use these weapons as leverage or would you just fire them knowing the US has tons of nuclear subs poised right at you?
Anyone can see you have two agendas here. One, to bait people into arguing with you. Two, to get people to hate Democrats and China.
You're such a steaming pile of BS...
They could before
Nothing new to worry about
Time to give up the paranoia isn't it Tex?
Or do guys like you love to live in perpetual fear?
China's military is modernizing, but there are distinct limits to the modernization program. First, the current force structure is so old that the rate of retirement will exceed the rate of acquisition in all major
weapons categories, with the possible exception of major surface combatants. This means that the size of China?s armed forces will continue a recent pattern of decline, and to drop quite steeply in some
cases, such as combat aircraft. The only exception may be China's surface combat ships. (See China versus Region charts.)
Second, the modernization is proceeding slowly and in a piecemeal manner. All military forces take a significant amount of time to integrate new weapon systems into its forces; for China the process seems to
take longer than most.
Third, China is adding only a handful of modern systems to its inventory. New systems are purchased in small batches or singly, which is cannot dramatically change the balance of power. Moreover, while
"modern" relative to existing Chinese systems, current acquisitions from Russia are not as capable as the comparable systems fielded by the United States or even Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan (in some
areas).
Finally, China's military modernization plan has highlighted the inability of the indigenous arms industry in China to produce the advanced technology weapon systems that the military wants. The recent return
to dependence on foreign assistance (specifically, aircraft and naval vessels from Russia, and technical assistance from Israel) runs contrary to the Chinese government?s desire to fully control its own military
destiny.
China may eventually change its policies and invest more financial resources in military modernization; but for the foreseeable future, China's potential for military action in Taiwan and other areas will remain
limited. China may take a more active military role in its region, but the overall balance of power in East Asia will remain unchanged.
Nothing new to worry about
Time to give up the paranoia isn't it Tex?
Or do guys like you love to live in perpetual fear?
China's military is modernizing, but there are distinct limits to the modernization program. First, the current force structure is so old that the rate of retirement will exceed the rate of acquisition in all major
weapons categories, with the possible exception of major surface combatants. This means that the size of China?s armed forces will continue a recent pattern of decline, and to drop quite steeply in some
cases, such as combat aircraft. The only exception may be China's surface combat ships. (See China versus Region charts.)
Second, the modernization is proceeding slowly and in a piecemeal manner. All military forces take a significant amount of time to integrate new weapon systems into its forces; for China the process seems to
take longer than most.
Third, China is adding only a handful of modern systems to its inventory. New systems are purchased in small batches or singly, which is cannot dramatically change the balance of power. Moreover, while
"modern" relative to existing Chinese systems, current acquisitions from Russia are not as capable as the comparable systems fielded by the United States or even Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan (in some
areas).
Finally, China's military modernization plan has highlighted the inability of the indigenous arms industry in China to produce the advanced technology weapon systems that the military wants. The recent return
to dependence on foreign assistance (specifically, aircraft and naval vessels from Russia, and technical assistance from Israel) runs contrary to the Chinese government?s desire to fully control its own military
destiny.
China may eventually change its policies and invest more financial resources in military modernization; but for the foreseeable future, China's potential for military action in Taiwan and other areas will remain
limited. China may take a more active military role in its region, but the overall balance of power in East Asia will remain unchanged.
Mo0o
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what the hell do you care? north korea could do it a long ass time ago. Why would China attack America? they know they have no chance of winning and there is ZERO advantage to simply bombing america. Just because their government is different from yours doesn't mean they're going to squash you
Danny - you may want to have a Disaster Recovery plan in place for THE Site for all the hotties!!!
Nice Flash on your site BTW
In our grief at the Nuking of The Land of Nuts and Flakes - We would rely on pictures of scantilly clad hotties to get us through the Dark times!
TexMaster - Did Clinton personnally hand the Super Secret Plans for the batcave over to the Yellow Horde? No he did not - why don't you check on the record of the FBI over the past few years to set your facts straight - I think they bungled plenty of chances to catch spies. Clinton didn't do that did he?
Nice Flash on your site BTW
In our grief at the Nuking of The Land of Nuts and Flakes - We would rely on pictures of scantilly clad hotties to get us through the Dark times!
TexMaster - Did Clinton personnally hand the Super Secret Plans for the batcave over to the Yellow Horde? No he did not - why don't you check on the record of the FBI over the past few years to set your facts straight - I think they bungled plenty of chances to catch spies. Clinton didn't do that did he?
<< You've got issues, TEX, issues so far up your arse we can't even imagine... You're paraniod, and all you like to do is come here and start your arrogant dribble with people. >>
I'm just remembering all the Morons who said China was no threat. I love it when little liberals like yourself confuse Paranoia with fact.
<< 1. IF YOU can steal secrets from another country to protect your own country, wouldn't you? >>
Its even better when you can get them for a little cash
<< 2. Would you apologize for it? >>
Not if I paid for it
<< 3. Wouldn't you think you have the right to protect your own country through any such means? >>
Again, paid for
<< 4. Would you use these weapons as leverage or would you just fire them knowing the US has tons of nuclear subs poised right at you? >>
Ever heard of Tiawan? They want it back real bad and this gives them a ton of leverage
<< Anyone can see you have two agendas here. One, to bait people into arguing with you. Two, to get people to hate Democrats and China. >>
Which Party did China give money to? Thats right.
<< You're such a steaming pile of BS... >>
I know I know you just hate the facts dont you? Especailly when you offer so many yourself! LOL Moron.
<< what the hell do you care? north korea could do it a long ass time ago. Why would China attack America? they know they have no chance of winning and there is ZERO advantage to simply bombing america. Just because their government is different from yours doesn't mean they're going to squash you >>
North Korea can only hit Japan sorry.
well, if they hit, I won't be around to complain about it, so I might as well not care either way.
<< Time to give up the paranoia isn't it Tex?
Or do guys like you love to live in perpetual fear? >>
This doesn't conscern you? What color is the sky in your widdle world? LOL
<< China's military is modernizing, but there are distinct limits to the modernization program. First, the current force structure is so old that the rate of retirement will exceed the rate of acquisition in all major
weapons categories, with the possible exception of major surface combatants. This means that the size of China?s armed forces will continue a recent pattern of decline, and to drop quite steeply in some
cases, such as combat aircraft. The only exception may be China's surface combat ships. (See China versus Region charts.) >>
China's military was no where near modern in Korea yet they held us back. How? Sheer Numbers. You need to read more history.
Also, this has zero to do with the nuclear buildup.
<< Second, the modernization is proceeding slowly and in a piecemeal manner. All military forces take a significant amount of time to integrate new weapon systems into its forces; for China the process seems to
take longer than most. >>
Jesus. If your going to spout this BS at least READ the article I posted.
]U.S. intelligence agencies detected the Chinese military's formation of the first missile units equipped with Dong Feng-31 missiles in July, and the Pentagon believes the first missiles will be fielded by the end of the year.
This isn't years away. Take off the blinders and read.
<< Third, China is adding only a handful of modern systems to its inventory. New systems are purchased in small batches or singly, which is cannot dramatically change the balance of power. Moreover, while
"modern" relative to existing Chinese systems, current acquisitions from Russia are not as capable as the comparable systems fielded by the United States or even Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan (in some
areas). >>
Nuclear weapons provide all the leaverage China needs. I can't believe you are taking possession of nuclear missiles capable to hitting the US so lightly. Its really sad.
<< Finally, China's military modernization plan has highlighted the inability of the indigenous arms industry in China to produce the advanced technology weapon systems that the military wants. The recent return
to dependence on foreign assistance (specifically, aircraft and naval vessels from Russia, and technical assistance from Israel) runs contrary to the Chinese government?s desire to fully control its own military
destiny. >>
They can still buy them. Who cares where they get them from? What has this got to do with their ability to strike the US? Oh thats right, nothing.
<< China may eventually change its policies and invest more financial resources in military modernization; but for the foreseeable future, China's potential for military action in Taiwan and other areas will remain
limited. China may take a more active military role in its region, but the overall balance of power in East Asia will remain unchanged. >>
Boy I am so relieved you have hope China wont use this as leverage. LOL Boy could you be more niave?
You give four points based completely on projections. I would rather deal with what they actually have NOW. Try reading the article next time before posting. It helps.
<< I'm just remembering all the Morons who said China was no threat. I love it when little liberals like yourself confuse Paranoia with fact. >>
Tex... If I see you walking down the street and I happen to be carrying a gun, am I a threat to you? However, if I saw you and pointed my gun at you, then, am I a threat? Do you see the difference?
Do you even know what paranoia is?
Oh Tex? Where are those fact there, Chicken Little? Where are those facts stating China's about to nuke the US? Certainly not in your last link....
<<
<< 1. IF YOU can steal secrets from another country to protect your own country, wouldn't you? >>
Its even better when you can get them for a little cash
<< 2. Would you apologize for it? >>
Not if I paid for it
<< 3. Wouldn't you think you have the right to protect your own country through any such means? >>
Again, paid for >>
You're sidestepping the question, you know that, right?
<<
<< 4. Would you use these weapons as leverage or would you just fire them knowing the US has tons of nuclear subs poised right at you? >>
Ever heard of Tiawan? They want it back real bad and this gives them a ton of leverage >>
If China wants, China can take over all of Taiwan with infantry alone in a day. If you need proof of that, you need to brush up on your global events... Only thing preventing them is the US.
Since you just figured out China has been long range nuclear capable just now when it has been heading that way for yrs I'll forgive your speech impediment.
Those points are the conclusion of the link I provided not mine looks like you didn't take the time to read it. I read yours .
You always are the one crying for proof and links but it doesn't appear your able to digest any new information.
Just link Homer Simpson
"Aw Marge I hate learning new things everytime I do it pushes something old out. Like remember when I learned how to make wine but forgot how to drive and crashed the car?
Mare "thats because you were drunk!!"
Are you drinking even now Tex?
Those points are the conclusion of the link I provided not mine looks like you didn't take the time to read it. I read yours .
You always are the one crying for proof and links but it doesn't appear your able to digest any new information.
Just link Homer Simpson
"Aw Marge I hate learning new things everytime I do it pushes something old out. Like remember when I learned how to make wine but forgot how to drive and crashed the car?
Mare "thats because you were drunk!!"
Are you drinking even now Tex?
<< "We project that Beijing is already on a course to increase its strategic warheads several-fold by 2015, though to levels still well below those of the United States or Russia," Mr. McLaughlin said. >>
Really, are they THAT much of a threat?
In reality, china makes a move, they are going to pay for it, dearly.
ManSnake
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<< "We project that Beijing is already on a course to increase its strategic warheads several-fold by 2015, though to levels still well below those of the United States or Russia," Mr. McLaughlin said. >>
Really, are they THAT much of a threat?
In reality, china makes a move, they are going to pay for it, dearly. >>
In reality, if and when China makes a move(nuclear), it certainly won't be a small move, it would be all 20 ICBMs launched at once, 20 major US cities would be hit. While US would launch all of its nuclear stockpile at China, and such a scenario would definitely be MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction).
yea, it's all those damn hippie liberals... god knows they're trying to get china to take over behind our backs.
have you ever read the bear and the dragon? i'm guessing you'd love that book tex.
but seriously, i don't think you're converting anybody here to your side... it's like a religious debate... lot of good points being made, but nobody really cares because they've already made up their mind.
btw, this should piss you off too:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134338054_chinaaol06.html
yet another attempt by those damned liberals to brainwash us with communist propoganda, right?
have you ever read the bear and the dragon? i'm guessing you'd love that book tex.
but seriously, i don't think you're converting anybody here to your side... it's like a religious debate... lot of good points being made, but nobody really cares because they've already made up their mind.
btw, this should piss you off too:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134338054_chinaaol06.html
yet another attempt by those damned liberals to brainwash us with communist propoganda, right?
<< In reality, if and when China makes a move(nuclear), it certainly won't be a small move, it would be all 20 ICBMs launched at once, 20 major US cities would be hit. While US would launch all of its nuclear stockpile at China, and such a scenario would definitely be MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction). >>
Right, and they know that if they launch all of them, we will detect them halfway through their trip, and launch ours. So I give the chinese enough credit to not be that dumb.
Miramonti
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geez I thought the US was the only one that was allowed to stockpile these weapons to have the capability to blow someone else up. And its going to be great with the new star warz because its going to reopen the door for nuclear testing among all of these nations, can't wait for the results of that.
As for spies I'll bet we've got a higher percentage of spies in the world than we have of lawyers in the world! I don't think this is just a clinton issue.
As for spies I'll bet we've got a higher percentage of spies in the world than we have of lawyers in the world! I don't think this is just a clinton issue.
who cares about nuclear arms, now theres ebombs that can set back our modern civilization back 200 years. and they're cheap to make. They work like an EMP i think, everything electrical will be dead.
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