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China lashes out at 'Bush Doctrine'

China lashes out at 'Bush Doctrine'
State-run paper: President 'trying to rule over the whole world'
The Associated Press
Nov. 1, 2004

BEIJING - On the eve of the U.S. presidential election, China accused President Bush of trying to ?rule over the whole world,? saying the invasion of Iraq destroyed the global anti-terrorism coalition and worsened religious and ethnic conflicts.
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It came in a commentary in a state newspaper by Vice Premier Qian Qichen, who criticized what he called the ?Bush Doctrine? as a policy of pre-emptive military attack and a Cold War relic.

?It advocates the United States should rule over the whole world with overwhelming force,? said the lengthy commentary in the China Daily, an English-language newspaper aimed at foreign readers.

China has supported the U.S.-led war on terror, but is wary of Bush?s intentions. Beijing worries about Washington?s heightened presence in Central and South Asia, concerned that it threatens Chinese ambitions to be the region?s dominant military power
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6377949


So what are they doing about it?

China Expands Military Buildup - Pentagon
May 28, 2004
By REUTERS

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China expanded its aggressive military buildup last year with more sophisticated missiles, satellite-disrupting lasers and underground facilities, all aimed at winning a possible conflict with Taiwan and exerting power, according to a Pentagon report.

Beijing has more than 500 short-range ballistic missiles, some with improved guidance systems, opposite Taiwan and its defense spending of $50 billion to $70 billion is third behind the United States and Russia, the report released on Friday said.
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The war reinforced China's decision to speed acquisition of improved information technology and weapons mobility, it said.
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Chinese arms buys were up 7 percent in 2003 with major purchases from Russia of 24 Su-30 fighter aircraft for $1 billion and SA-20 surface to air missile systems for $500 million.
http://www.taiwandc.org/nyt-2004-05.htm


Ok that is kinda...not good...well at least it only China...oh crap....


China to deepen military cooperation with Russia: senior Chinese military officer

www.chinaview.cn 2004-12-14 00:00:00


BEIJING, Dec. 13 (Xinhuanet) -- China is willing to work with Russia to deepen bilateral military cooperation, and advance Sino-Russian strategic partnership of cooperation, said a senior Chinese military officer here Monday, according to Foreign Ministry sources.

Guo Boxiong, vice-chairman of the Chinese Central Military Commission, made the remarks when meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, who is here on a four-day China visit as guest of Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan.

Guo said as an important part of the strategic partnership of cooperation between the two nations, bilateral military ties have kept strengthening in recent years.

The two armed forces have had frequent high-level visits and expanded their cooperation fields, Guo said. The security consultation system between the two sides operates well, he added.

As for the very complicated situation across the Taiwan Strait,Guo said the separatism activities of Taiwan authorities posed thebiggest threat to peace and stability across the strait.

He said the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) will never tolerate any attempt to separate Taiwan from China, which is a consistent and unchangeable stand of China.

Guo expressed appreciation for Russia's one-China principled stance on Taiwan issue.

Ivanov said Russia-China relations experienced remarkable progress over recent years. The military technological cooperationbetween the two sides continuously expanded and advanced.

He hoped the two armed forces will keep on their mutual-beneficial and friendly cooperation and exchanges.

With regard to Taiwan issue, Ivanov said Russia's one-China stance is steadfast and will not change in the future. Enditem
http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl...14/content_2330421.htm


Ok for xmas I want NO WW3 folks! kthanx!
 
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.

LOL. Now that's funny.

No, but that's the problem with being a bully. Eventually, you meet a bigger bully.
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.

China has a lot of people. But I dont care if you have 10 billion people. It is hard to swim the Pacific ocean.

btw where do you live?
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.
:snicker:

Yeah, because China sets such a shining example of moral authority and all that is good and right in the world.

What a wonderful sentiment from one of our left-leaning "patriots" in this forum. He's so patriotic he wants to see the US get its as* kicked by China. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.
:snicker:

Yeah, because China sets such a shining example of moral authority and all that is good and right in the world.

What a wonderful sentiment from one of our left-leaning "patriots" in this forum. He's so patriotic he wants to see the US get its as* kicked by China. :roll:

Funny you should mention "mortal authority" and the US in the same sentence.

I personally wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole for the next 20 years.
 
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.
:snicker:

Yeah, because China sets such a shining example of moral authority and all that is good and right in the world.

What a wonderful sentiment from one of our left-leaning "patriots" in this forum. He's so patriotic he wants to see the US get its as* kicked by China. :roll:

Funny you should mention "mortal authority" and the US in the same sentence.

I personally wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole for the next 20 years.
Even as bad as it may currrently be mentioning "moral authority" and the US in the same sentence, substituting China for the US in that sentence is emminently more laughable.

 
This is great news, that China will strengthen itself and cohort with another strong country in order to barracade Bush's Junta.

Someone needs to stand up to Bush's tyrrany of terror.

Let the World band against the United States forsoever how long Bush's Regime of warhawks are at the helm.
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is great news, that China will strengthen itself and cohort with another strong country in order to barracade Bush's Junta.

Someone needs to stand up to Bush's tyrrany of terror.

Let the World band against the United States forsoever how long Bush's Regime of warhawks are at the helm.

You know, I agree with you there. While I don't want to learn Chinese or have my kids forced to do so, I also don't trust the guys sitting in the capitol of my country either as they wield so much power accross the globe. How's the saying go? Power corrupts good people?

And I don't think many of these people in the Bush cabinet started off good anyway...

Balance of power is always good for us decent folk
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.
:snicker:

Yeah, because China sets such a shining example of moral authority and all that is good and right in the world.

What a wonderful sentiment from one of our left-leaning "patriots" in this forum. He's so patriotic he wants to see the US get its as* kicked by China. :roll:

Funny you should mention "mortal authority" and the US in the same sentence.

I personally wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole for the next 20 years.
Even as bad as it may currrently be mentioning "moral authority" and the US in the same sentence, substituting China for the US in that sentence is emminently more laughable.

Lets not get into an argument about which wolf should eat little Red Ridinghood. The very idea is whats laughable.
 
Sheeeet, I ain't afraid of no Chinaman. Mainly because they only have, what? Like 12 ICBMs? Pfffft. What a joke. They should take us on economically rather than militarily and they might just have the advantage. Oh wait, what's that I hear?

Trade Gap Widens to More Than $55 Billion
A larger-than-expected deficit hits a record and suggests that economic growth may not be as strong as believed.


By Bill Sing, Times Staff Writer

The U.S. trade deficit widened nearly 9% to a record $55.5 billion in October, the government reported Tuesday, raising further concerns about the nation's habit of buying more from foreigners than it sells to them.

[...]
Oh never mind . . .
 
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.
:snicker:

Yeah, because China sets such a shining example of moral authority and all that is good and right in the world.

What a wonderful sentiment from one of our left-leaning "patriots" in this forum. He's so patriotic he wants to see the US get its as* kicked by China. :roll:

Funny you should mention "mortal authority" and the US in the same sentence.

I personally wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole for the next 20 years.
Even as bad as it may currrently be mentioning "moral authority" and the US in the same sentence, substituting China for the US in that sentence is emminently more laughable.

Lets not get into an argument about which wolf should eat little Red Ridinghood. The very idea is whats laughable.
It seems that's what's already kind of being discussed as we have a few in here who would like to see the Chinese wolf devour the American one.

I'm also wondering, since some seem to demonstrate a preference for China, if those same people have applied for their Chinese work visa and are prepping for their move yet? You'd think they'd have a great time over there too, you know, with all those forums full of Chinese dissenters constantly haranguing their government.

Oh, wait. They don't call them forums over there. Instead they call them prisons or "labor camps." 😉
 
Current GDP of US: $10.99 trillion fron 2004 CIA factbook
Current GDP of China :$6.449 trillion

china would have to grow their GDP 71% before becoming the #1 de facto world economic super power.

US average GDP growth rate 4%
China GDP growth rate 9%

that means in precisely 10 years, China's GDP will equal or exceed the US. coincidently, that is also when the CBO expects US govt debt to reach $10 trillion

Red Dragon Rising - Bush will fulfill his promise of an Apocalypse, economic or otherwise.
 
most of our economy is in the management sectors, we don't produce anything real other than cars and guns, and those are plentiful enough as it is. If China were to pull some shenanigans they could probably rip our balls off.
 
A breakdown of the numbers at generous rates of 4% US to 9% china

China : US *in trillions
Year 1: 7.03 11.44
Year 2: 7.66 11.89
Year 3: 8.35 12.37
Year 4: 9.10 12.86
Year 5: 9.92 13.38
Year 6: 10.81 13.9
Year 7: 11.79 14.4
Year 8: 12.85 15.05
Year 9: 14.00 15.65
Year 10: 15.26 16.28
Year 11: 16.64 16.93
Year 12: 18.13 17.61

historical GDP growth for the past 30 years is US 3.16% vs. China 8.35% annual according to govt data. so realistically it will happen in 10 1/2 years to 11 1/2 years
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.

LOL. Now that's funny.

No, but that's the problem with being a bully. Eventually, you meet a bigger bully.

China is not a bigger bully. Taiwan spends more on defense than they do for christs sake. We spend nearly 10 times more than China does. I'd like to see a simulation or something to see what'd happen in a war between China and the USA, because I think it'd be a total rout by us. I don't think we'd let them even get their people off land, let alone to Taiwan or the USA. One of our carrier groups with a few subs can overwhelm their entire entire.
 
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
A breakdown of the numbers at generous rates of 4% US to 9% china

China : US *in trillions
Year 1: 7.03 11.44
Year 2: 7.66 11.89
Year 3: 8.35 12.37
Year 4: 9.10 12.86
Year 5: 9.92 13.38
Year 6: 10.81 13.9
Year 7: 11.79 14.4
Year 8: 12.85 15.05
Year 9: 14.00 15.65
Year 10: 15.26 16.28
Year 11: 16.64 16.93
Year 12: 18.13 17.61

historical GDP growth for the past 30 years is US 3.16% vs. China 8.35% annual according to govt data. so realistically it will happen in 10 1/2 years to 11 1/2 years

China's 9% growth will not continue. It appears they are headed for a crash in the next few years. And, all their growth is based on us. If we cut them off and stopped trading from them, they'd be hit extremely hard b/c we buy more from them than the rest of the world combined. In short, they need us more than we need them.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
China is going to kick the U.S.'s as* one of thse days. They will be correct in doing so, too.
:snicker:

Yeah, because China sets such a shining example of moral authority and all that is good and right in the world.

Yeah. Tibet, Falun Gong, tigers..

 
Originally posted by: ntdz
China's 9% growth will not continue. It appears they are headed for a crash in the next few years.
Things ain't looking all that rosy over here either

Originally posted by: ntdz And, all their growth is based on us.
keep believing that.....

Originally posted by: ntdz If we cut them off and stopped trading from them, they'd be hit extremely hard b/c we buy more from them than the rest of the world combined. In short, they need us more than we need them.
You actually think we COULD stop buying from China? Our economy would go to hell if we stopped buying from China much more so than if we stopped selling to them.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
A breakdown of the numbers at generous rates of 4% US to 9% china

China : US *in trillions
Year 1: 7.03 11.44
Year 2: 7.66 11.89
Year 3: 8.35 12.37
Year 4: 9.10 12.86
Year 5: 9.92 13.38
Year 6: 10.81 13.9
Year 7: 11.79 14.4
Year 8: 12.85 15.05
Year 9: 14.00 15.65
Year 10: 15.26 16.28
Year 11: 16.64 16.93
Year 12: 18.13 17.61

historical GDP growth for the past 30 years is US 3.16% vs. China 8.35% annual according to govt data. so realistically it will happen in 10 1/2 years to 11 1/2 years

China's 9% growth will not continue. It appears they are headed for a crash in the next few years. And, all their growth is based on us. If we cut them off and stopped trading from them, they'd be hit extremely hard b/c we buy more from them than the rest of the world combined. In short, they need us more than we need them.

They will not crash, unless you crash.
Also, by that time there may be enough weath within the country to sustain itself. There are 3 times more people in china than US. even if they consume 1/6th of what you guys do, you are still getting an economy half as big as the US's.
 
China's 9% growth will not continue. It appears they are headed for a crash in the next few years. And, all their growth is based on us. If we cut them off and stopped trading from them, they'd be hit extremely hard b/c we buy more from them than the rest of the world combined. In short, they need us more than we need them.

we buy more from them because their labor costs 3% (our labor is 3000% more expensive). hence we won't stop buying from them short of a complete trade embargo.

i'd expect them to go towards a more moderate 7.5% but at the same time US will drop to 2.5% due to double deficits (still a 5% differential and still the same result)

primarily because higher oil prices hurts US more than china. china has proven for the past 3 decades they are able to sustain high GDP growth rates consistently 5% higher than US
 
Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: ntdz
China's 9% growth will not continue. It appears they are headed for a crash in the next few years.
Things ain't looking all that rosy over here either
Historically speaking, things are not bad in the US at all. Unfortunately, so many people now use the tech bubble of the 90s as their base of comparison of what should be "normal" economic growth, when that just is not the case.

Originally posted by: ntdz And, all their growth is based on us.
keep believing that.....
It can't be denied. Much of China's growth is based on US investment and the US purchase of Chinese goods. The problem comes in that labor rates in China will rise as their GDP increases, thereby ameliorating any production advantage they may have over the US. Once that happens China will begin moving production off-shore just as the US does, will begin a trade deficit just like the US, and will have many of the same problems we do, except multiplied by a factor of 5 or so due to their population size.

Originally posted by: ntdz If we cut them off and stopped trading from them, they'd be hit extremely hard b/c we buy more from them than the rest of the world combined. In short, they need us more than we need them.
You actually think we COULD stop buying from China? Our economy would go to hell if we stopped buying from China much more so than if we stopped selling to them.
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We'd just buy from some other 3rd-world nation instead. Maybe India?
 
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