Big deal. So he's got an opinion different from yours. I'm an American. So if I shared his opinion, where would you tell me to go?
Big deal. So he's got an opinion different from yours. I'm an American. So if I shared his opinion, where would you tell me to go?
Surely you could shoot the guy in the arms, then he can't really light the barn/house whatever. Why does it necessitate killing him? The Chinese kid has a point, why do you have to kill, why not wound? Americans frequently seem to have an over the top reaction when it comes to that sort of thing, like there's no option but death. Hello, what about incapacitating him?!
lol, Deeko, you just proved his point,
. People may stay here for numerous reasons: better economy, better education, yet they can't merge themselves into American culture
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Except if you do, you should "go back to China".
Are you pissed off at this kid because he's insulting America, because he's insulting gun ownership, or because he speaks poor English and inspires more debate in class than you do?
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My professors response to this:
You are probably not an excellent marksman, and in a situation like this, you are not very calm. What are your chances of shooting the guy in the arm or leg, if that is your intention? Its a much smaller targer, you are likely to either miss completely, or hit him fatally anyway.
So the moral of the story is that it's ok to kill somebody for destroying one of your possession?
But it's the intention... he could have shot in the air to warn the guy. He already knows who the arsonist is, why does he need to kill him? Why not scare him off, and let the law deal with it?
Just ask him what would happen if this event happens in China and the police or the local folks caught the dad? Lets see if he can avoid death from the immediate beating.
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That you probably AREN'T going to just wound him. He cited the example of police force: Police are trained to aim for the center of the body, you have a much greater chance of hitting, not necessarily to kill, but to hit the target at all. If you aim for his arm, you will probably miss, and the guy will probably still burn down your house(in the hypothetical situation given, as well as in the barn story)
It is the INTENTION (as someone stated above). Killing someone while trying to shoot them in the leg or arm is very different from killing someone that you are intentionally trying to kill.
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I fail to see the part in the story where the morality of killing someone with a knife is established.
1) The kid is ignorant. He's the one with the lame stereotype.
2) The moral of the story is don't f**k with other people's stuff.
2) The moral of the story is don't f**k with other people's stuff.
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You missed the part where the kid said it was ok to kill someone, just not with a gun.Originally posted by: dafatha00
It is the INTENTION (as someone stated above). Killing someone while trying to shoot them in the leg or arm is very different from killing someone that you are intentionally trying to kill.
Clearly he hasn't been in this country long enough to be properly desensitized to violence by our media. Give him a few years and make sure he's watching lots of TV and movies. Once he realizes how commonplace it is to be holding a gun on a madman while he threatens the life of a loved one, he'll get the picture. Gotta run, I'm late for a car chase and I haven't even started working on my witty rejoinders for the corpses of dead bad guys yet!
Seriously though, are you under the impression that the world would be a better place if everyone thought like you rather than everyone thinking like him? If people truly valued life above everything else the world probably wouldn't be quite so fvcked up.
Seriously though, are you under the impression that the world would be a better place if everyone thought like you rather than everyone thinking like him? If people truly valued life above everything else the world probably wouldn't be quite so fvcked up.
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In my opinion, it is morally acceptable to kill someone if you're in the process of defending yourself and your property from that person, provided you feel your life (or the lives of your loved ones) is in danger. Someone burning down your barn may move on to your house next, whereas someone breaking into your car to steal your radio isn't a direct threat on your life.
sure burning puts you in danger but it's not like once he sets the fire boom you are dead. i can see how ppl would shoot the person out of fear/shock or after warning, but otherwise that's just total disrespect forf hman life
as for the gun/knife argument, its a lot easier to kill a person with a gun than with a knife. using a gun doesn't necessarily mean you would use a knife if you didn't have agun
as for the kid, apparently he has been subject to a lot of anti american propangda. but that's the way the world works, everybody is fed propaganda, even you americabns
as for the gun/knife argument, its a lot easier to kill a person with a gun than with a knife. using a gun doesn't necessarily mean you would use a knife if you didn't have agun
as for the kid, apparently he has been subject to a lot of anti american propangda. but that's the way the world works, everybody is fed propaganda, even you americabns
The guy burning the barn down only burned down buildings 8 other times... he hasn't gone to violence yet, so what makes you think he would? And you're the one with the gun. You think if you shoot the rifle from a distant, that he's goign to come charging at you?
Originally posted by: Deeko
You missed the part where the kid said it was ok to kill someone, just not with a gun.Originally posted by: dafatha00
It is the INTENTION (as someone stated above). Killing someone while trying to shoot them in the leg or arm is very different from killing someone that you are intentionally trying to kill.
Then I am not sure what that guy is trying to argue because (as you say), he stated that "human life is more precious than objects".
My point is that if someone were trying to rob or destroy my property, but he did not pose a threat to myself or my family, then I would temporarily incapacitate him. If lives were in danger however, I would blow his head away in a second.
exactly, what is he trying to argue? that lives are more important than property or just that guns are bad? is he confused? are you confused? is this made up? what is the circumstance of the story anyway? the picture is kind of vauge
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