China executes scientist.

[chess9]

Originally posted by: sunzt
It's China. Deal with it.

What you going to do about it? Invade them?

No, we are going to ask them to buy another trillion dollars of our bonds.

-Robert

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: sunzt
It's China. Deal with it.

What you going to do about it? Invade them?

Why invade when it is more lucative to trade junk bonds for cheap child labor, and made in China human organs.

Yup, the rest of the world should have deal with it when the German was gassing Jews, and it was a waste of time when America stop the Japs from wiped out the Chinese.

It is a dog eat dog world out there, and so we should take advantage of others before others take advantage of us.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Farang
I think it all depends on whether he was guilty or not. I'm against the death penalty in general though so I think the U.S. is just as bad, who cares if they don't get to see him the bigger problem is he is being executed.

Ya. I don't believe in killing for any reason . But thats me. If one uses logic tho . If opposing governments exist. Giving away secrets of your country to another. That man has the right to a very speedy trail and even a speedier death.

 

[sunzt]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: sunzt
It's China. Deal with it.

What you going to do about it? Invade them?

Why invade when it is more lucative to trade junk bonds for cheap child labor, and made in China human organs.

Yup, the rest of the world should have deal with it when the German was gassing Jews, and it was a waste of time when America stop the Japs from wiped out the Chinese.

It is a dog eat dog world out there, and so we should take advantage of others before others take advantage of us.

haha, someone sounds resentful.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Convicted spy.

Treason carries the death penalty in the USA, too.

Unless it concerns a spy for Israel.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

China Abruptly Executes Convicted Spy

BEIJING, Nov. 28 -- China on Friday executed a man convicted of passing sensitive military and political information to Taiwan a day after notifying his relatives through diplomatic channels that they would have a second chance to visit him, his daughter said.

Austrian Deputy Ambassador Stefan Scholz relayed the news of the execution late Friday afternoon to the family of Wo Weihan, 60, according to Wo's daughter Ran Chen. Chen is an Austrian citizen and had been appealing for clemency through diplomatic channels since arriving in Beijing on Monday. She said she had been told her father was executed by gunshot.

Wo was put to death even as Chinese and E.U. officials were wrapping up a summit on human rights here in Beijing. The sequence of events raises the question of whether the Chinese government had merely waited until the summit ended to carry out the execution. Capital punishment is at the top of the European Union's human rights agenda with China, Scholz said Friday morning, before he learned of Wo's execution.

The news shocked Wo's family members, who at a Thursday afternoon news conference had praised China's willingness to grant them a second visit and said they had not lost hope that Chinese officials would commute Wo's sentence based on what they said were numerous legal flaws in the case against him.

Chen said that her father had not been told of his impending execution when she met with him Thursday morning and that she never received written confirmation that his final appeal to the Supreme People's Court had been turned down.

"Our father was a Chinese citizen and is subject to Chinese law," Chen wrote in a statement released Friday evening. "But the Chinese law also says that death row prisoners deserve the right to see their families before execution, to say goodbye and to go in peace."

Chen said her parents had raised her and her sister to respect Chinese values of gratitude to and love for their parents. "The legal procedures in China, which we experienced in these last traumatic days, show no regard for these values," she said.

The family expressed outrage at the breakdown in communication. "We're extremely frustrated," said Chen's husband, Michael Rolufs, after hearing word of the execution from private contacts but before receiving confirmation through official channels.

Calls to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Austrian Embassy on Friday night went unanswered.

John Kamm, executive director of the Dui Hua Foundation, a human rights group in San Francisco who has worked closely with Chen on the case, reacted with anger and disbelief when reached by phone Friday evening.

"I have been doing this work for 19 years, and this is the absolute lowest point of those 19 years," he said. "I am devastated."

I just love the dogma justice system of Komunist China.

How many people did Texas kill in the last couple of years/

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Convicted spy.

Treason carries the death penalty in the USA, too.

apologist spotted.

:music::music:
It's too late to apologize, it's too late
I said it's too late to apologize, it's too late
:music::music:

 

[PokerGuy]

I have no problem with the death penalty or using the death penalty as a punishment for treason, but the "evidence" in this case looks bogus and the guy didn't get a fair trial. The lack of representation and the lack of a fair trial is what I have a problem with, not the swift punishment.

 

[beyoku]

Thats right - Way to go China - They can do NO WRONG!
Guy shouldn't have been a spy.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people did Texas kill in the last couple of years/

Very Weak. Even that mexican gang member who raped and tortured 2 teenage girls that they eventually executed in Texas was represented by counsel, had several appeals, an international tribunal, presidential intervention, a supreme court case, and 10 years of process.

Of course the US justice system isn't perfect, there's no such thing as a perfect system since it is made up of imperfect people. But merely because we aren't perfect doesn't mean that the degree of fuckedupedness of all legal systems is equivalent.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I am against capital punishment.

BTW, didn't the US execute the Rosenbergs for conspiracy to commit espionage?

Does asking that question make me a "Chinese apologist"?

Julius Rosenberg was found to have passed nuclear secrets to the Russians at a time when nuclear war looked imminent. However, there was little evidence that his wife was involved, yet she was executed too. So yes, the US has executed people for treason with little evidence.

That said, China's pretty fucked up. The whole country is just a giant human rights violation all around.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people did Texas kill in the last couple of years/

18 people so far this year, 110 in the last 5 years, 259 in the last 10. On a side note, 44.5% of the people executed in the last 5 years were black, who make up less than 12% of the Texas population. One conclusion that you might draw is that we need to start executing more white people. . .

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Convicted spy.

Treason carries the death penalty in the USA, too.

Yup, and definitely needs to be.

Been that way since 1790. Heck, even Vermont has it on the books.

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason in 1953. So have many others.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Convicted spy.

Treason carries the death penalty in the USA, too.

Treason is not anywhere NEAR a good enough reason for the death penalty.

I believe that it's reasonable, but only during a time of war, or when the scale is deemed catastrophic for a nation's interests, security, or survival.

China, on the other hand, is an inhumane communist cesspool, so this kind of thing doesn't surprise me at all...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I am against capital punishment.

BTW, didn't the US execute the Rosenbergs for conspiracy to commit espionage?

Does asking that question make me a "Chinese apologist"?

The Rosenbergs I could almost understand, passing secrets of nuclear weapons to nutjob communists. The execution that I most vehemently disagreed with was those German sailors in WW2 who tried to turn themselves into the FBI. They were all hung, even though they had no intentions of following through with their sabotage orders. I guess they were executed to bolster confidence that we were being harsh enough on the enemy.

 

[Modelworks]

Does it say anywhere what exactly his crime was, what he did as a scientist that deserved the punishment he got ?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I am against capital punishment.

BTW, didn't the US execute the Rosenbergs for conspiracy to commit espionage?

Does asking that question make me a "Chinese apologist"?

The Rosenbergs I could almost understand, passing secrets of nuclear weapons to nutjob communists. The execution that I most vehemently disagreed with was those German sailors in WW2 who tried to turn themselves into the FBI. They were all hung, even though they had no intentions of following through with their sabotage orders. I guess they were executed to bolster confidence that we were being harsh enough on the enemy.

As I said, I'm against capita punishment period. But the case for executing Ethyl Rosenberg was weak, she had very little role but being married to him.

The German situation was in a way even worse than you describe; the federal government made a deal with the German who came to them and exposed the others, and reneged.

It was a political thing it seems, wanting to make it look like the government had caught them, instead of admitting how they'd been able to get in the US and one had defected.

The men involved were quite unskilled ofr the mission, as I recall mostly young like 19 and inexperienced. It's an interesting story to read more on - and I agree an injustice.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I am against capital punishment.

BTW, didn't the US execute the Rosenbergs for conspiracy to commit espionage?

Does asking that question make me a "Chinese apologist"?

The Rosenbergs I could almost understand, passing secrets of nuclear weapons to nutjob communists. The execution that I most vehemently disagreed with was those German sailors in WW2 who tried to turn themselves into the FBI. They were all hung, even though they had no intentions of following through with their sabotage orders. I guess they were executed to bolster confidence that we were being harsh enough on the enemy.

As I said, I'm against capita punishment period. But the case for executing Ethyl Rosenberg was weak, she had very little role but being married to him.

The German situation was in a way even worse than you describe; the federal government made a deal with the German who came to them and exposed the others, and reneged.

It was a political thing it seems, wanting to make it look like the government had caught them, instead of admitting how they'd been able to get in the US and one had defected.

The men involved were quite unskilled ofr the mission, as I recall mostly young like 19 and inexperienced. It's an interesting story to read more on - and I agree an injustice.

Well, I'm almost invariably against Capital punishment as it is neither a servant of justice, nor is it a deterrent to the individuals who would perpetrate such crimes as have been determined to qualify one for such a punishment.

Good to hear that someone else knows that story regarding the Germans.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Convicted spy.

Treason carries the death penalty in the USA, too.

Treason is not anywhere NEAR a good enough reason for the death penalty.

lol yea sureeeee it isnt. go back to utopia your mommy is calling.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people did Texas kill in the last couple of years/

18 people so far this year, 110 in the last 5 years, 259 in the last 10. On a side note, 44.5% of the people executed in the last 5 years were black, who make up less than 12% of the Texas population. One conclusion that you might draw is that we need to start executing more white people. . .

or black people need to stop committing capital crimes?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people did Texas kill in the last couple of years/

18 people so far this year, 110 in the last 5 years, 259 in the last 10. On a side note, 44.5% of the people executed in the last 5 years were black, who make up less than 12% of the Texas population. One conclusion that you might draw is that we need to start executing more white people. . .

or black people need to stop committing capital crimes?

Marked as the best answer

 

[piasabird]

Maybe if we executed people this fast in the USA we would have fewer criminals.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people did Texas kill in the last couple of years/

18 people so far this year, 110 in the last 5 years, 259 in the last 10. On a side note, 44.5% of the people executed in the last 5 years were black, who make up less than 12% of the Texas population. One conclusion that you might draw is that we need to start executing more white people. . .

or black people need to stop committing capital crimes?

Yeah, calling Texas racist is laughable. It's a well known fact that black males in America commit murders at a much higher rate.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/h...de/tables/oracetab.htm

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: Farang
I think it all depends on whether he was guilty or not. I'm against the death penalty in general though so I think the U.S. is just as bad, who cares if they don't get to see him the bigger problem is he is being executed.

and i guess you're chill with serial killers and child rapists getting cable tv, 3 warm meals a day, a weight room, a bed, and visits from anyone they want.