China develops 64-bit workstation CPU

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I dont need to eat shite...I stand by everything I say I am sorry it hurts your feeling so!!! :lips::laugh:

Usually the person who cries racism is the biggest racist of them all....Do you fit in that category???

Ok you know what, youre right. Calling 1 billion people of a particular race all thieves is TOTALLY different from say calling all african-americans no good n*****s.

ok...stand by your flawed logic. Fighting idiotcy with logic never works.

btw, zebo i never said that china has no ip issues, but the way he expressed his opinion is explicitly racist.

 

[Snowice]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Boohoo Boohoo...LOL!!!

thought you couldn't anwser my questions.

Originally posted by: Zebo
Snowice you are full of it. When a chinese professor needed to save for a house he lived at my house rent free for 6 months with his wife and two kids. I hate communism. I hate police states. People are people period, I see China as Germany circa 1935 headed tward doom. (germans are white)

Thank you for being so nice for letting the professor's family lived at your house rent free. But just for 6 monthes, then he could afford to buy a house. When/Where were houses this cheap? Don't you think he had some saving?

Please don't hate. Let me correct you, what you are seeing is wrong... China will NEVER be Germany circa 1935. Since when, China had attacked other countries. They just mind their own business unlike someone is trying to be the international police. Do you think the terroriests attacked us because they hated our freedom? But I can tell you this.. FUCK the terrorists. Please make sure who our enemies are. Chinese/China don't hate American!

Originally posted by: Zebo
I disagree. Saying China and Chinese in China have some serious problems respecting IP is not racist. It's stating a fact the US state department is constantly railing on it. MS/Intel and other US gaints constantly go on about it. Fashion label makers like Calloway Golf or Calvin Klein go on about it. The MPAA/RIAA and it's members go on about it. Are they all racists?

No question, China has many problems. They need to put their act together on all those issues that you mentioned. But if you really care about China, go read something to see where they were 30, 40 years ago and where they are now... you will be amazed. You won't be scared about them becoming Germany circa 1935. I can't help you if you are jealous though. But please don't turn jealous into hate!

Please lock this thread!

 

[keichan82]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I dont need to eat shite...I stand by everything I say I am sorry it hurts your feeling so!!! :lips::laugh:

Usually the person who cries racism is the biggest racist of them all....Do you fit in that category???

No need to apologize, you didn't hurt my feelings. It just humors me that you can make such judgements on a country you know nothing about. Sure you see it on the news and read about it on websites, who sponsors them? You believe everything you see on the news. Wanna guess what people from other countries are saying about the US? Everything is not what they seem to be so don't be so quick to judge.

You seem to have stong views against the Chinese, everything they do is wrong. Look what we are doing? Walking into another country and "freeing" them. I am against the war. Are you?
I don't have problems with the Americans because of this, I just don't like the person making the call.

You really believe you are not racist?

"A country of thieves basically...a billion thieves.... "
Categorizing all the people in one country and calling them thieves is not raciest?

"I have already stated what I said was not being racist."
Great!! Next time I need to prove something I'll just "state it".

"Boohoo Boohoo...LOL!!!"
Please grow up.

Duvie, you are a racist. Other people on this thread never directly attack the people of China. They merely blamed it on the government. You called all Chinese thieves and backing it up with your assumptions.

 

[dmens]

lol. east asian companies and governments are known for their complete lack of respect for other peoples' intellectual property, and thats the truth. i wouldnt be surprised if a majority of chinese high-tech developments in fields they lag behind (i.e. aerospace, computers) was constructed from stolen base technologies.

and if it means anything to you, im chinese.

 

[Zebo]

Snowice for down payment money not whole house. He was paying $1250 rent and only made 32K a year as a post doc and after taxes that left him with about $2200 a month. nothing to save. Cool dude Bill Hu.. Iused to fusk with him about his name all the time.

He'd call me and I'd recognise his voice.

Zebo- "whos is this"
Bill- "Bill"
Zebo- "Bill Who?"
Bill- "Bill Hu"
Zebo- "that's what I just asked you, Bill who?"

and so on... guess you just had to be there...

 

[Zebo]

Chinese/China don't hate American!

You're not fooling me try someone else..

New Tang Dynasty Television was established in 2002. One of the reasons for starting NTDTV was evident after the tragedy in 9-11. We witnessed an overwhelmingly negative response from the Chinese community worldwide and especially from those inside China, including reports of students taking to the streets and cheering after the terrorist attacks. For many of the Chinese scholars overseas, that sight was very disturbing. After a careful analysis, they found that a major reason for the negative reaction was because of the long-term Anti American propaganda from the Chinese Communist Party.

http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/eng/aReadArticle.jsp?id=27491

 

[keichan82]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Chinese/China don't hate American!

You're not fooling me try someone else..

New Tang Dynasty Television was established in 2002. One of the reasons for starting NTDTV was evident after the tragedy in 9-11. We witnessed an overwhelmingly negative response from the Chinese community worldwide and especially from those inside China, including reports of students taking to the streets and cheering after the terrorist attacks. For many of the Chinese scholars overseas, that sight was very disturbing. After a careful analysis, they found that a major reason for the negative reaction was because of the long-term Anti American propaganda from the Chinese Communist Party.

http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/eng/aReadArticle.jsp?id=27491

Let's rephrase that... Most Chinese/China don't hate Americans...

 

[keichan82]

Originally posted by: dmens
lol. east asian companies and governments are known for their complete lack of respect for other peoples' intellectual property, and thats the truth. i wouldnt be surprised if a majority of chinese high-tech developments in fields they lag behind (i.e. aerospace, computers) was constructed from stolen base technologies.

and if it means anything to you, im chinese.

I agree and I am against it as well. It just bugs me is when people put the blame on all Chinese.

 

[Zebo]

Ya guys don't take critisim of China personally. Like I said people are people. You put anyone in right envrioment they will flurish. You put anyone in China envrioment it's they will fall victim to propaganda/nationlaism.

 

[Snowice]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Chinese/China don't hate American!

You're not fooling me try someone else..

New Tang Dynasty Television was established in 2002. One of the reasons for starting NTDTV was evident after the tragedy in 9-11. We witnessed an overwhelmingly negative response from the Chinese community worldwide and especially from those inside China, including reports of students taking to the streets and cheering after the terrorist attacks. For many of the Chinese scholars overseas, that sight was very disturbing. After a careful analysis, they found that a major reason for the negative reaction was because of the long-term Anti American propaganda from the Chinese Communist Party.

http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/eng/aReadArticle.jsp?id=27491

I was not trying to fool you. I can't change what you believe in. You always want to see what you want to see and want to hear what you want to hear. I can easily go dig out a link which states the complete opposite, but why bother. Do you know about the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and the EP-3 incident? I don't doublt some chinese celebrated the 9-11, but I pity those who celebrated. Also, do you know some of the American had the same feeling toward the South East Asian tsunami disaster?

You don't need to believe me. Go to China and see for yourself.... tell them you are an American and see if you're welcome or hated. You know nothing about China if your knowledge about China is based on all the stuff you hear and see from the media here.

You always picked and chose what to respond on my post and avoid the tough questions while I always addressed your complete post. When did China invate a country? Chinese people hate wars. The Communist party has been there for over 50 years? Why do you think they will become the Nazi Germany? If they wanted to, they could have taken Hong Kong and Taiwan back long time ago by force.

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ya guys don't take critisim of China personally. Like I said people are people. You put anyone in right envrioment they will flurish. You put anyone in China envrioment it's they will fall victim to propaganda/nationlaism.

Tell me how can this be not personal...

1) A country of thieves... a billion thieves... Duvie
2) D@mm those chinese sons of a b!tches!.... Idiot
3) China as Germany circa 1935 headed tward doom.... Zebo

Just a few quotes above.

What if these were toward the US....

1) A country of killers.... American killed Iraqi babies
2) D@mm those American sons of a b!tches!
3) Bush's portrait with Hitler's mustache.... I'm sure you've seen this from the protestors of our best ally, Uk.

Tell me that's not personal to you! If you don't take it personal, I would.


Mod, please lock this thread. This's going way out hand.

Anyway, I'm done here. I was here to see some Venice OC results, but got stuck here

If you feel like continue this, please feel free to contine this on this thread, China and you in the politics forum where is meant for this sh!t and where I'll never go.... THANK YOU!

 

[rqle]

My uncle in law was part of the chinese democracy movement in the late 80s, he would sent letters on how scare he was at the his government. To speak of any democracy is an act of treason. His friends were caught and arrested and he never can never find out what happen to them. Wrote letters and pictures showing propaganda agaisnt USA fail democracy system. China still have one of the strongest internet security measure in anti-communist, anit-chinese government in effect, there a recent report on cnn.com about it. This isnt against chinese, i just dont approve a government that control mass media and anything you print against its rule is subject to punishment.

 

[ToeJam13]

Originally posted by: Snowice
Why is China a potential threat to the world and the US? Tell me when did China go invate a country? Why can't China have nuke capacity? That's why the world is mad at the US' double standard... I have nuke, but you can't have it bacause you are a threat to the world or us :roll: Tell me who dropped the atomic bombs?

Post-1900 wars caused by Chinese agression:

China invaded Outter Mongola in 1919 as Russia was distracted by civil war.

China clashed with Mongolia again between 1947 and 1948 when Mongolia attacked China, claiming she was posting troops 15Km within Mongolia sovereign territory (a claim China countered was false and was merely a land grab by the Soviet backed Mongolians)

China invaded Tibet on 1950-October-07, lead by Political Commissar Wang Qiemi. It was an unwelcome annexation as proven when the people rejected the "Seventeen Point Agreement".

China invaded India when it built a section of its "Outer Loop Road" through the Indian territory of Aksai Chin rather than through the Takla Makan desert. This was one of many instances where China simply rewrote the maps to suit their desires, ignoring the existing McMahon line. This lead to several border skirmishes initiated by the Chinese, including the 1959-August-7 scuffle near the Drokung Bridge, the 1959-August-25 attack upon an Indian outpost in the Longju region of the Subashin Frontier division, and the 1962-September-8 attack at Dhola post near Thagla Ridge. Eventually, outright conflict opened near the ridge at the battle of Tseng Jong where mortor fire was exchanged. Eventually, China occupied several areas of India near Kashmir and near the city of Nelang.

China invaded Burma in 1956, annexing disputed territories from her.

China invaded Vietnam in February 1979, making it as far as Cao Bang and Lang Son. The invasion was in response to Hanoi's mistreatment of ethnic Chinese and Vietnam's reluctance of allowing repatriation of Chinese residents in Vietnam back to China.

Again, Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan has separated from China for more than 50 years now. China has alway said they want Taiwan back by peace. It is the current stupid Taiwan president who wants to be independent. By the way, he got re-elected by hiring a farmer to shoot him during the presidentual election. What a joke! There is another political party from Taiwain. They were the ones who were at war with the communists 55 years ago originally. They just went back to China for first time to talk about peace since the war.

Taiwan was part of China. The government on the mainland was overthrown and fled to Taiwan. In reality, the official government of China is in Taiwan, not the other way around. China is the rouge.



Attempting to get somewhat back on topic, we have no idea how BLX IC Design Corporation received the technical information required to engineer a MIPS-compatible processor. Did they steal it? Did the Chinese government steal it for them? Did they license it? Did they buy out a company with MIPS technical documentation? We don't know. As many people in this thread have suggested, there is a good chance that it did not come through proper or legal means. That said, it doesn't mean that we should guess that we are correct in our negative assumptions.

Many of the technological achievements in this processor are not that impressive. It is a very simple design (compared to AMD64, Itanium, PA-RISC, UltraSparcIV, etc) that could be achieved quite easily with common knowledge on the semiconductor field. After all, how many engineers from China worked for companies in Silicon Valley? Is it considered theft to bring the knowledge you learned from one job to your next?

 

[yliu]

After reading this entire thread, I feel that I should try to dispell some of the misconceptions regarding China and the people living there. First of all, let me say that I was a Chinese citizen who immigrated to the US in the early 1990s. I am not an expert on either country, but I can share what I have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears.

1. Regarding intellectual proper rights and counterfeit products:
It is true that China has traditionally had a poor track record regarding intellectual property. However, for the most part it was not caused by malicious intent but by lack of good education and enforcement. I can also ensure you that the vast majority of peoople in China are not involved in counterfeiting products; after call, China still has at least 80% of its population in farming. Most chinese consumers cannot even afford the price of a counterfeit CD/DVD/T-shirt, and they opt to go without or buy fully domestic products. Those who do buy may do so because they just don't know better or they cannot afford the price of legitimate copies. There are of course those who buy knowing that they are violating copyright law and that they can afford the legimate copies but don't want to spend the money. This is obviously wrong, but before we rush to judgement of even these people (which actually includes many foreign visitors), how many of us can honestly say that all of the software, video games, and movies we have ever owned or played are fully legimate copies? Therefore, unless we can prove the recently developed 64-bit MIPs CPU is indeed based on ill-gotten technical information, let all of us reserve our judgement.

2. Regarding the chinese government:
It is true that China's government is corrupt and undemocratic. Their practices have provably resulted in a number of disaters both recent and in the somewhat distant past. However, China's political system is actually extremely complex and cannot be simply thought to be purely good or purely evil. Under the communist party's rule, China have both made great contributions as well as performed much disservice to both its own people and to the world. Regardless of what has already happened, I do believe that China is heading in a good direction and will not actively seek to become a threat to its neighbors. Most everyone in the world, including both people and government of China, understands that in the world of today, peace is best way in today's world to develop a country's economic and political status. In fact, a lot of Chinese people and government even knows the importance of a free and democratic society in such development. Of course, the Chinese government is still way too selfish so it chooses to sacrifice part of China's well-being for its own survival. As for the Chinese citizens -- the vast majority of them neither likes the government, nor are afraid of it. They do critize the government all the time, but of course they know to be careful about it. A lot of them are also just riding along the wave of China's current economic development and not paying enough attention to the political problems. This is something that disappoints me, but I believe it is a fixable problem that will be eventually resolved.

In conclusion, I would encourge all of you who have not been to China recently to go there. If you want China to become a better and freer country, there is no better way than to go there and bring your ideas and perspectives with you. When you talk to the Chinese people, I think you will be pleasant surprised at the depth and the breadth of the conversation you would have. And don't be afraid that the government will come after you. Of course, you probably should not shout "democracy now" or "down with the government" in front of a government building or in the middle of Tiananmen square; but other than that, i think you will find travelling or living in China to be an interesting and enriching experience.

 

[Zebo]

yliu-- I appreciate your post very informative. About the "grey" on the communists. . The greatest thing to happen to China in the last 100 years was the "Great Opening" initiated by Deng Xiao Ping but you have to ask, how much sooner would that have happened if not for revolution and communists and not because of communists but "in spite" of them? Tiawans been "open" from day 1.

 

[yliu]

Zebo, that's a very interesting hypothetical question and I honestly don't know the exact answer. I do know that periods such as the cultural revolution and the great leap forward hurt China a great deal and set the country back for many many years. Other than that, I can't really speculate on what would have happened to China if the Nationalist party stayed in power. I like to focus on the world as it exists today and see what difference I could possibly make in it.

However, you may find it interesting that the fast democratization of Taiwan resulted in some part from the nationalist party's defeat on the main land. The nationalist party, when it was in rule of the mainland, was also an extremely corrupt party. For example, there was a period of hyperinflation under the nationalist rule. After Ching-kai Shek went to Taiwan, he realized that part of the reason he was defeated was due to corruption within his own party that drove away the support of the general population and especially the poor, rurual farmers. For that reason, he instituted a number of land reforms in Taiwan, using the gold he brought from the mainland to buy land from the existing owners and redistributed it as _private_ properly to the farmers (the private aspect is the main difference from the land reforms happening on the mainland during the same period) He also instituted an economic system that mimicked the west. The political freedom eventually came with the economic freedom and growth.

I also want to point out that, if you look at the economic development of taiwan, there are a lot of similarities with the economic development of the mainland in the post Dengxiao Ping era. Starting from Farming, Taiwan gradually went to textiles manufacturing and exporting (including having western textile manufacturers outsourcing their operations to Taiwan for the cheaper labor, just like China is doing now), and gradually moved into high-tech such as semiconductors and software. The development of a good education system is of course very important for the later. More recently, taiwan has adopted a consumer driven culture like the US and is also outsourcing its own manufaturing operations to lesser developed countries like China. These similar steps are happening in China at this time as well. The only major difference is that China is a large country and it will take considerably longer time to modernize with or without a democratic government (though with the later it will be considerably faster) Also, China is not likely to start outsourcing to other countries soon; its more developed, coastal cities will outsource to the less developed in-land areas, and hopes to drive the economic growth of the whole country that way.

 

[keichan82]

"Taiwan was part of China. The government on the mainland was overthrown and fled to Taiwan. In reality, the official government of China is in Taiwan, not the other way around. China is the rouge. "

Yes overthrown. That means China is the Official Government now. Right? Otherwise, we would be living on Indian and Mexican land.

Did you know why they were overthrown?

The Nationalist did win the war, they were in control, but...
The leader at the time, Shing Kai Shek (don't know how to spell his name), was corrupted. He had his family take over the postions in office and took the money given by American Aid for themselves. Generals started to turn on them because they rather take the money than to feed their famish soldiers.

Just a little history I learn from my class

 

[Fox5]

What makes the processor so unique is that it consumes only 5W (1.8V core, 3.3V I/O) using a 0.18-micron process.

How is that at all unique? That's actually quite high for a MIPS core, and at the very least, a G4 on a .18 micron process could do the same.

As a side note I love how those fools buy all our debt. They can't afford not to have the trade or thier peoples will go riot, but when they get too uppity we'll nationlize all those tbills, all thier stock in NYSE, and send them back too stone age. They playing two move chess on a four move game.

And that's when China goes to war...

China did suck like 30, 40 years ago if you really know what's been going on in China. But now, China is better than many countries in the world.

Umm, less than 2 decades ago China wasn't looking so good to live in...when was the last time the US put down a protest with tanks?(I'm sure they've brought tanks to a protest, but never used them)

BTW, yes China is feared, their culture is very different from ours, we don't understand. There is a huge cultural conflict, and both nations have the potential to act on it. China's government is also at were our government seems to want to go, and probably would be if we weren't a capitalist nation.

After all, how many engineers from China worked for companies in Silicon Valley? Is it considered theft to bring the knowledge you learned from one job to your next?

It is if you use the same design.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Snowice for down payment money not whole house. He was paying $1250 rent and only made 32K a year as a post doc and after taxes that left him with about $2200 a month. nothing to save. Cool dude Bill Hu.. Iused to fusk with him about his name all the time.

He'd call me and I'd recognise his voice.

Zebo- "whos is this"
Bill- "Bill"
Zebo- "Bill Who?"
Bill- "Bill Hu"
Zebo- "that's what I just asked you, Bill who?"

and so on... guess you just had to be there...

ROTFLOL :laugh:

 

[webley]

I see some repeating ideas here that seem true:

-The people of China are greatly repressed, unfairly controlled by their government and most desire freedom and a new government that represents them instead of dictating.

-The individual people of China and good are diverse. They can't be blamed individually for their government's terrible treatment of their rights (or failure to offer them freedom and rights).

The most troubling thing to me is the seemingly unchangable power the government has over the Chinese people. I almost wish we could help catalyze a (warless if possible) move to freedom for them as was done in Iraq. Does anyone else think that the growing business side of China will eventually be strong and influential enough affect a move to Democracy?

I really hope China and Russia (and even Europe to quite a degree) will eventually move to Democracy or at the very least away from Socialism. It almost seems a miracle that America just decided to make a Democracy from the start and reject the ideas of Europe where the founders mostly came from. I'm so grateful to the founders for making things the way they did here.


Regarding patents, while there are some problems with them (like some companies getting them extended more than is fair, and some patents granted for silly ideas that shouldn't be protected), overall the patent system is fair and vital for the success of capitalism. Without a patent one can't defend his or her neat stuff and their business could be in jeopardy.

 

[9ball]

Originally posted by: Zebo
They make $1.50 a day. We make $30 and hour.

And I suppose you got this info from the defense industry,what an idiot. Given the number of BMWs on the roads of Shanghai, I guess I can take one home for about $1000.

 

[DigitalX]

I wish the People in China well, which they are doing economically, but thats what the communist government what their people and the world to see too.

Under that layer of peaceful economic development, The Chinese Communist government is still planing to be the greatest power in the world. Main target is USA.

The US economy is bleeding!!!
When eveyone demand higher wages and cheaper goods something has the give. Our government should take a goooood looonnng look at company out sourcing to China because when the jobs "relocates to China" the Chinese is going to copy that process, build a bigger factory next door and pump out copies at a higher rate.

We are exchanging our jobs for cheaper goods, in the long run is it worth it when we are left to be the farmer of the world???

What happen to economic deplomacy, isnt China a bigger threat than Cuba? Who cares about North Korea when China already have nuke, building a Great Navy, actually have the potential to be our worse nightmare that we help built.

What happened to diversification, we are putting a lot of eggs in one basket over there.