China becoming more strict on capital punishment?

[BoberFett]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6101380.stm

When China is ahead of the US with this sort of policy, something is definitely wrong. The number of people wrongly convicted, combined with the fact that justice in the US is often limited to how much you can afford, we might be wise to follow China's lead.

I would be in favor of removing the death penalty altogether, as it's more a punishment of mob mentality (see: any internet forum that discusses a crime suspect and what they want to see done to them) but as a interim measure requiring the USSC to hear all death penalty cases would be a step in the right direction.

 

[Craig234]

Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

 

[BoberFett]

The electric chair and the gas chamber might be considered barbaric. Prison life is far more barbaric than either. Lethal injection is probably actually quite a nice way to go.

None of that really matters though, because that's not the reason to support or eliminate them. The reason to eliminate the death penalty is that the justice system isn't perfect, and radically favors the well to do. At the very least, requiring the supreme court to review each capital case would mean more oversight for each individual case, and hopefully leave execution currently to the Dahmer's and Bundy's of the world.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6101380.stm

When China is ahead of the US with this sort of policy, something is definitely wrong. The number of people wrongly convicted, combined with the fact that justice in the US is often limited to how much you can afford, we might be wise to follow China's lead.

I would be in favor of removing the death penalty altogether, as it's more a punishment of mob mentality (see: any internet forum that discusses a crime suspect and what they want to see done to them) but as a interim measure requiring the USSC to hear all death penalty cases would be a step in the right direction.

The list of crimes covered by capital punishment in China is immense. There is a reason why their official number is close to two thousand and most foreign observers estimate it closer to 10,000 (We execute roughly 60-70 a year).

It's easy to tighten the restrictions on the death penalty when you don't have many to begin with. We also allow nearly two to three decades to go by before the execution -- allowing as much possibility for appeals as possible. China has mobile vans to speed up the process after court.

 

[techs]

The price for a new kidney just doubled on the open market.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

Some people commit such heinous crimes that they don't deserve to ever be let free again in society, and there is no reason to punish society by forcing it to pay for housing, food, etc for the criminals.

(*checking my six to see if Moonbeam is far behind*)

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

Some people commit such heinous crimes that they don't deserve to ever be let free again in society, and there is no reason to punish society by forcing it to pay for housing, food, etc for the criminals.

(*checking my six to see if Moonbeam is far behind*)

More crimes should be punishable by execution. Including, but not limited too, rape, armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder with intent, fraud over 100000$. Anything that could affect another human for the remainder of there life should be punishable by death. We are too soft of society nowadays.

 

[imported_dna]

I don't know about going that far, but perhaps some sort of forced labor would be fitting for the likes of Skilling and other big time fraudsters.

Rape convicts could also be candidates, or at the least some sort of painful punishment, such as public flogging, a la Passion of the Christ style.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

Some people commit such heinous crimes that they don't deserve to ever be let free again in society, and there is no reason to punish society by forcing it to pay for housing, food, etc for the criminals.

(*checking my six to see if Moonbeam is far behind*)

More crimes should be punishable by execution. Including, but not limited too, rape, armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder with intent, fraud over 100000$. Anything that could affect another human for the remainder of there life should be punishable by death. We are too soft of society nowadays.

Damn... and you guys thought I was crazy. sheeesh.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

You might not feel that way until someone takes the life of your child/wife/relatives. And does this so vicously, wilfully and shows no remourse. To the point where you believe this person has no reason to walk on the face of this earth.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

Some people commit such heinous crimes that they don't deserve to ever be let free again in society, and there is no reason to punish society by forcing it to pay for housing, food, etc for the criminals.

(*checking my six to see if Moonbeam is far behind*)

More crimes should be punishable by execution. Including, but not limited too, rape, armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder with intent, fraud over 100000$. Anything that could affect another human for the remainder of there life should be punishable by death. We are too soft of society nowadays.

Damn... and you guys thought I was crazy. sheeesh.

What is wrong with that? We should let someone who con'ed say 1000 investors out of there life savings walk free? Is his freedom worth more than the 1000 lives he ruined? No. He should be killed.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think the death penalty should be voted on annually and anybody who votes for it should be executed too.

 

[steppinthrax]

My beliefs on the overhaul of the justice system is so radical it probably will never happen.

My philosophy on society is that everybody here has the potential of doing great and every person is very valuble if they wish to be valuble. If you kill somebody you are taking away from society. You took someone who is potentially the next person to find the cure for AIDS or someone who will help others or support a family. Essentially your life needs to be used to compensate that void in every way possible without regard to your safety or life even.

1. The time between you are sentence to death and the act of the execution actually happening is way too long. The execution should take place within a couple of hours to a day or so. Why should we pay our hard earned tax dollars on someone who essentially took away from society.

2. The Death Penlty should be extended to other reasons for death not just murder or manslauter. You should be able to be executed for causing grave financial harm for example (i.e Enron). All of those families that worked for Enron for example suffered great loss and depression as a result of the actions of the directors. I'm sure those famililies have lost lives due to psychological affects/depression and the summation of every family members greif equals the lost of life.

3. I belive in public execution. The justice system needs to show the public what happens when you "****** up". This should be publically displayed.

4. I believe in human experimentation in prisoners. They are the one's who killed someone therefore they need to give back to society in finding cures for certain dieseases/illnesses and to be researched on. There also need to be used for organ harvesting. There are so many people who needs livers, hearts, etc...

5. Corporate companies should be allowed to lease prisoners for manual labor work. The treatment of these prisoners and rules should equate to direct slavery. They are not paid nor are there any rules to protect them however you can't kill them (that would be useless because they haven't finished there time to give back to society). The money that the company pays for prisoner work is given to the government where the governement collects a portion of it and a percentage goes to the family as comensation.

Essentially prisoners should become the punching bag for society. Providing a means of showing what happens when you ****** up. In this situation you will see overall crime around the united states plummet.

 

[magomago]

Too many flaws through steppinthrax...most obvious one is what happens when people are arrested for the purpose of seeling them to corporations. With the potential of a slave workfroce, you can bet your house that they will be interested in getting as many workers are possible and will lobby for rules that make it easier to go to jail for minor infractions.

 

[KAZANI]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
My beliefs on the overhaul of the justice system is so radical it probably will never happen.

I wouldn't loose faith if I were you. Einstein taught us of the infinite of human stupidity.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: magomago
Too many flaws through steppinthrax...most obvious one is what happens when people are arrested for the purpose of seeling them to corporations. With the potential of a slave workfroce, you can bet your house that they will be interested in getting as many workers are possible and will lobby for rules that make it easier to go to jail for minor infractions.

Inmate labor already exist just it's very light and done mainly in jails. It's called the inmate leasing system. I believe texas does it a lot. You know the chain gains. You know on the side of the highway people picking up trash. There is a prison somewhere I saw on TV where they are using the inmates for telemarketing of credit cards. They actually have a little telemarketing office in the prison and prisoners try to get people to sign up for cards. Once they are interested in getting a visa or master card with rewards and free balance transfers (LOL) they are transfered to someone who processes the order. So we are not far from corporations using prisoners.

 

[RichardE]

We also take a note from China's page and use the organs of those on Death row for someone else. Let them give something back to society for there crimes before we dismiss them.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

You might not feel that way until someone takes the life of your child/wife/relatives. And does this so vicously, wilfully and shows no remourse. To the point where you believe this person has no reason to walk on the face of this earth.

Really? Luckily, I have not experienced that, but I recognize how others with my views handle it, from Ted Kennedy calling for Sirhan Sirhan to be spared, to Amish recently.

I believe that I would value their life regardless and want them kept alive, despite the terrible harm they did.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

Free food and shelter for violent criminals is the immoral act. Soon we will not be able to afford it, and maybe we'll just start letting them go instead. When a country fails to deal with criminals, it as a whole will become criminal.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Craig234
I believe that I would value their life regardless and want them kept alive, despite the terrible harm they did.

So, how are you going to pay? Cash or Credit?

 

[Schadenfroh]

You think china would actually hesitate to kill a few hundred people without "being approved by a high court" if social unrest starts up?

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

You might not feel that way until someone takes the life of your child/wife/relatives. And does this so vicously, wilfully and shows no remourse. To the point where you believe this person has no reason to walk on the face of this earth.

Really? Luckily, I have not experienced that, but I recognize how others with my views handle it, from Ted Kennedy calling for Sirhan Sirhan to be spared, to Amish recently.

I believe that I would value their life regardless and want them kept alive, despite the terrible harm they did.

LOL, No, I've never had this happen to me. But I have empathy. I can temporary put myself in someone else's shoes just to think for a monment that I was there. I can then make the decison based on that. That is what makes us human beigns. The Amish people are a closed off people who think that way. They are not integrated with the rest of society so for them to say to forgive is irrelevent. The majority of soceity want's revenge.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
My beliefs on the overhaul of the justice system is so radical it probably will never happen.

My philosophy on society is that everybody here has the potential of doing great and every person is very valuble if they wish to be valuble. If you kill somebody you are taking away from society. You took someone who is potentially the next person to find the cure for AIDS or someone who will help others or support a family. Essentially your life needs to be used to compensate that void in every way possible without regard to your safety or life even.

1. The time between you are sentence to death and the act of the execution actually happening is way too long. The execution should take place within a couple of hours to a day or so. Why should we pay our hard earned tax dollars on someone who essentially took away from society.

2. The Death Penlty should be extended to other reasons for death not just murder or manslauter. You should be able to be executed for causing grave financial harm for example (i.e Enron). All of those families that worked for Enron for example suffered great loss and depression as a result of the actions of the directors. I'm sure those famililies have lost lives due to psychological affects/depression and the summation of every family members greif equals the lost of life.

3. I belive in public execution. The justice system needs to show the public what happens when you "****** up". This should be publically displayed.

4. I believe in human experimentation in prisoners. They are the one's who killed someone therefore they need to give back to society in finding cures for certain dieseases/illnesses and to be researched on. There also need to be used for organ harvesting. There are so many people who needs livers, hearts, etc...

5. Corporate companies should be allowed to lease prisoners for manual labor work. The treatment of these prisoners and rules should equate to direct slavery. They are not paid nor are there any rules to protect them however you can't kill them (that would be useless because they haven't finished there time to give back to society). The money that the company pays for prisoner work is given to the government where the governement collects a portion of it and a percentage goes to the family as comensation.

Essentially prisoners should become the punching bag for society. Providing a means of showing what happens when you ****** up. In this situation you will see overall crime around the united states plummet.

See what happens when there is no new frontier to populate. The europeans used to ship killers/rapist/murderers out of the country to populate some South American shiite hole.

Too bad Mars isn't open yet.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

Free food and shelter for violent criminals is the immoral act. Soon we will not be able to afford it, and maybe we'll just start letting them go instead. When a country fails to deal with criminals, it as a whole will become criminal.

Maybe if we would stop filling the prisons within drug users, prostitutes and other perpetrators of victimless crimes, we wouldn't have that problem. The US creates new classes of criminals as fast as we can build the prisons to hold them.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Craig234
Out of respect for the value of human life, capital punishment should be abolished and regarded as barbaric history. We're among the last few nations in the world to do it and every time it's done, it's an immoral act.

You might not feel that way until someone takes the life of your child/wife/relatives. And does this so vicously, wilfully and shows no remourse. To the point where you believe this person has no reason to walk on the face of this earth.

Really? Luckily, I have not experienced that, but I recognize how others with my views handle it, from Ted Kennedy calling for Sirhan Sirhan to be spared, to Amish recently.

I believe that I would value their life regardless and want them kept alive, despite the terrible harm they did.

LOL, No, I've never had this happen to me. But I have empathy. I can temporary put myself in someone else's shoes just to think for a monment that I was there. I can then make the decison based on that. That is what makes us human beigns. The Amish people are a closed off people who think that way. They are not integrated with the rest of society so for them to say to forgive is irrelevent. The majority of soceity want's revenge.

Maybe the Amish are smart to sequester themselves from a bloodthirsty society. You could try temporarily putting yourself in the shoes of a forgiving person.