Chili

[loup garou]

Can we just agree that chili is chili regardless of its bean content? That's all I was trying to say to those saying that chili without beans is not chili. That's just patently false no matter how you slice it.

All the historical mumbo-jumbo is a bit silly, no? I didn't mean that meat and chiles are the only way to cook chili, simply that they were base ingredients that others are added to.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: adairusmc
If it does not have beans, then it is not chili - it is sauce.

I like mine hot.

Uh no...chili is just meat cooked with dried chiles.

Uh yes. What I said is absolutely correct.

Real chili doesn't have beans. Go read up on the history of chili.

 

[zanieladie]

Mild...WITH beans. Yum...

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
Rule #1

For every contest without beans that you link, we could link one that allows beans.

Too many Texans are just chicken to eat beans. Let everything in the pot but one ingredient. Why? Because they know that the recipe with beans will beat the snot out of their wimpy enchilada sauce.

Actually you would have to link one that requires beans. Not one that just allows them.

 

[Ime]

Beans, and as hot as you can stand it.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
Rule #1

For every contest without beans that you link, we could link one that allows beans.

Too many Texans are just chicken to eat beans. Let everything in the pot but one ingredient. Why? Because they know that the recipe with beans will beat the snot out of their wimpy enchilada sauce.

Actually you would have to link one that requires beans. Not one that just allows them.

shiet.. this guy knows his chilli.. but I dont like him because he sounds like that comic store guy in the simpsons. 😀

 

[Syrch]

all the above pls!

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Syrch
all the above pls!

hahaha...I like the way you think!

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Can we just agree that chili is chili regardless of its bean content? That's all I was trying to say to those saying that chili without beans is not chili. That's just patently false no matter how you slice it.

All the historical mumbo-jumbo is a bit silly, no? I didn't mean that meat and chiles are the only way to cook chili, simply that they were base ingredients that others are added to.

I just don't think you are understanding our point. There is a completely different way of looking at this issue. Maybe I can try to explain the other way to you.

Suppose you have a burrito. Suppose you want to kick it up a notch, you put enchilada sauce on it (enchilada = seasoned with chili).

Enchilada sauce is chilis with spices and usually meat. Chili is chilis with spices and usually meat. By ingredients alone, they are the same thing. But we don't eat them the same way. What is the difference? To me, one is a low-viscosity sauce that you pour on other foods to enhance their flavor. The other is often a higher-viscosity soup/stew that you eat alone.

How do you make a sauce into a stew? You make it more savory, thicker, etc. Beans are often the key for this. Yes, it is chili without beans. But it is a chili sauce (better for a topping) without beans and it is a chili stew (better for a meal) with beans.

Food is filled with subtle differences like that. The ingredients may basically be the same, but the way it tastes and the way you eat it is so much different. Heck look at chilis themselves. Dried or fresh and they have two different names - yet they are still just the same pepper. It is the human side, how we use it, that I use when I look at chili - not just the list of ingredients.

 

[Pantoot]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
Rule #1

For every contest without beans that you link, we could link one that allows beans.

Too many Texans are just chicken to eat beans. Let everything in the pot but one ingredient. Why? Because they know that the recipe with beans will beat the snot out of their wimpy enchilada sauce.

Actually you would have to link one that requires beans. Not one that just allows them.

I disagree, requiring them would be an indication that chili with beans is inferior, and a rule had to be set in place cause the guy who didn't use beans would suck. By specifically disallowing beans they are admitting that chili tastes better with beans but to even the playing field nobody can use them.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: dullard
Enchilada sauce is chilis with spices and usually meat.

That's our disconnect right there. I have never heard of enchilada sauce with meat in it.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: loup garou
That's our disconnect right there. I have never heard of enchilada sauce with meat in it.

Every restaurant around here has it. Oh well. What would your difference be between enchilada sauce and meatless chili?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Pantoot

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
Rule #1

For every contest without beans that you link, we could link one that allows beans.

Too many Texans are just chicken to eat beans. Let everything in the pot but one ingredient. Why? Because they know that the recipe with beans will beat the snot out of their wimpy enchilada sauce.

Actually you would have to link one that requires beans. Not one that just allows them.

I disagree, requiring them would be an indication that chili with beans is inferior, and a rule had to be set in place cause the guy who didn't use beans would suck. By specifically disallowing beans they are admitting that chili tastes better with beans but to even the playing field nobody can use them.

That wasn't my point with that post 🙂 I was just pointing out how dullard said that with every link that's provided that forbids beans, he could provide a link that allows beans. His claim isn't that chili can have beans but that it's not chili without beans.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: theknight571
How do you like your Chili?

We (the wife and I) are arguing over the Beans.. she like's 'em and I don't.

We do agree on the mild-medium heat range though.

Figured I'd ask and see what everyone else thought.

That's an easy fix.

When done cooking chili, dump half of it into a Tupperware; that's yours. Add beans to the remainder and cook another 10 minutes; that's hers. Marriage saved. 😉

Even though beans are a no-no to a chili purist, I enjoy them in mine. I like the heat for flavor, while making the meal still enjoyable. Medium hotness for me!

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
That's our disconnect right there. I have never heard of enchilada sauce with meat in it.

Every restaurant around here has it. Oh well. What would your difference be between enchilada sauce and meatless chili?

Meatless chili as in vegetarian chili? Well, it's chunky and full of vegetables.

Enchilada sauce is a smooth sauce, usually red (chile powder & tomato sauce), green (tomatillo & green chile) or mole (complex, mostly chocolate and cinnamon flavors).

Where is "around here?"

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Meatless chili as in vegetarian chili? Well, it's chunky and full of vegetables.

Hmm, isn't a bean a vegetable? We are on the same lines. The difference between a sauce and a chili to you is vegetables. The difference between a sauce and chili to me is a vegetable.

Nebraska. Nebraska = imported Mexicans because not enough Americans are willing to live here to fill the job demand. Thus, our Mexican food is made by people from Mexico and not Texas (or other parts of America's south). So of course the chili may be different.

I get green enchilada sauce at every restaurant. It includes little bits of pork.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
If it does not have beans, then it is not chili - it is sauce.

I like mine hot.

exactly
how the hell can you have chili without beans???

btw, Bush, the people who make the baked beans, make an awesome chili.

 

[brandonbull]

Don't care

without beans = some kinda tomato sauce.

beans = chili

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
Meatless chili as in vegetarian chili? Well, it's chunky and full of vegetables.

Hmm, isn't a bean a vegetable? We are on the same lines. The difference between a sauce and a chili to you is vegetables. The difference between a sauce and chili to me is a vegetable.

Nebraska. Nebraska = imported Mexicans because not enough Americans are willing to live here to fill the job demand. Thus, our Mexican food is made by people from Mexico and not Texas (or other parts of America's south). So of course the chili may be different.

I get green enchilada sauce at every restaurant. It includes little bits of pork.

Christ you're obstinate.

The difference is no one in their right mind would consider enchilada sauce chili. That's just ridiculous.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Christ you're obstinate.

Yep. I don't back down from the truth. I'd be just as obsinate if you told me the Earth was larger than the sun.

The difference is no one in their right mind would consider enchilada sauce chili. That's just ridiculous.

Two out of ~20 people already said it in this thread. So, ~10% of us are not our right mind? Good chili without beans is the perfect enchilada sauce. To move beyond enchilada sauce, you need to make it more stew like. Beans are the perfect way to do so.

 

[Thraxen]

Most enchilada sauces I've had haven't tasted anything like most chilis... beans or not.

And to be more specific, most places that do have a chili-like sauce on their enchiladas call it exactly that... chili sauce.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: loup garou
Meatless chili as in vegetarian chili? Well, it's chunky and full of vegetables.

Hmm, isn't a bean a vegetable? We are on the same lines. The difference between a sauce and a chili to you is vegetables. The difference between a sauce and chili to me is a vegetable.

Nebraska. Nebraska = imported Mexicans because not enough Americans are willing to live here to fill the job demand. Thus, our Mexican food is made by people from Mexico and not Texas (or other parts of America's south). So of course the chili may be different.

I get green enchilada sauce at every restaurant. It includes little bits of pork.

Aren't beans in the same family as peanuts?

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: dullard
Two out of ~20 people already said it in this thread. So, ~10% of us are not our right mind? Good chili without beans is the perfect enchilada sauce. To move beyond enchilada sauce, you need to make it more stew like. Beans are the perfect way to do so.

No, you are the only person who said that. Unlike you, I don't put words in other peoples' mouths.

Anyways, if that's the way you like your chili, enjoy your stew with beans and "little bits of pork."

PS, I use masa flour for thickening.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: loup garou
No, you are the only person who said that. Unlike you, I don't put words in other peoples' mouths.

Originally posted by: adairusmc
If it does not have beans, then it is not chili - it is sauce.

Reading for the win?

 

[JonTheBaller]

Chili or Chili with beans