Child Under 5 Dies From Measles in Ontario

[MrSquished]

Mate. Seriously. If you want to make a point about vaccines it's best not to go straight into a rant that contains Hamas, Nazis, random conspiracy theories and how YouTubers know "THE TRUTH" because they have a web cam.

This guy has admitted maintaining his social media to specifically amplify this stuff, which is destroying decency in humanity, and spread it around as much as possible. He is evil. Dumb as horse shit, but also evil.

 

[WelshBloke]

You missed my point. MSM is very biased, and those were examples of things where they are biased for or against. They are not the end all be all of information some of you seem to think, they are simply pushing whatever narrative is being decided by the people paying their salary and becoming millionaires off said narrative. The entire covid narrative was run by MSM and TV doctors. The narrative now has switched to wars. Lot of money in that too. To not look at other sources too and simply use common sense thinking is being very closed minded. Now days it seems doing your own research is frowned upon. Just do what the TV tells you!

Your point seems to be "don't trust the people who have decades of expertise in these subjects trust the guy on YouTube whose monetising outrage and has a degree in taking themselves seriously and little else".
I'm all for people doing their own research, tell me about your virology lab.

 

[lxskllr]

 

[DAPUNISHER]

People a century ago had such high hopes for us here in the 21st century. Instead we have flat earthers, anti-vaxers, and have to put warning labels on everything telling these idiots not to eat it.

 

[lxskllr]

Instead we have flat earthers, anti-vaxers, and have to put warning labels on everything telling these idiots not to eat it.

Perhaps the latter lead to the former.

 

[Brainonska511]

A case of the old New Yorker comic:

 

[WelshBloke]

A case of the old New Yorker comic:

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That whole premise does confuse me. If my boiler breaks I get a gas fitter, if my car craps out I get a mechanic, if I need an operation I see a surgeon...
When did guys on YouTube start thinking that people who know what they are doing aren't to be trusted in their area of expertise? Don't get me wrong, I know surgeons and I wouldn't trust them with many things other than cutting me up with minimal damage!
Apart from orthopedic surgeons. I reckon they could put together a fairly decent set of shelves!

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Democratization of knowledge meets unintended consequence.

We thought the Internet was going to allow more people to learn from the experts. Instead the Internet gets to pick who the experts are.

 

[Brainonska511]

That whole premise does confuse me. If my boiler breaks I get a gas fitter, if my car craps out I get a mechanic, if I need an operation I see a surgeon...
When did guys on YouTube start thinking that people who know what they are doing aren't to be trusted in their area of expertise? Don't get me wrong, I know surgeons and I wouldn't trust them with many things other than cutting me up with minimal damage!
Apart from orthopedic surgeons. I reckon they could put together a fairly decent set of shelves!

A lot is because Dunning-Kruger. People think because they can Google something, or hear an anecdote that they are well informed. And scary narratives are compelling and captivating to people that don't know any better, especially when some of these childhood diseases are relatively rare.

The key is to fight disinformation when it arises: we can't just let it fester and grow until it becomes a force to reckon with. But it's also important for experts to directly engage with the fence sitters to understand what they're concerns are and directly address them (without a broad information dump).

 

[WelshBloke]

A lot is because Dunning-Kruger. People think because they can Google something, or hear an anecdote that they are well informed. And scary narratives are compelling and captivating to people that don't know any better, especially when some of these childhood diseases are relatively rare.

The key is to fight disinformation when it arises: we can't just let it fester and grow until it becomes a force to reckon with. But it's also important for experts to directly engage with the fence sitters to understand what they're concerns are and directly address them (without a broad information dump).

There must be a strange personality trait that doesn't allow you to believe that other people might know more than you in a particular subject.
Like I'm ok at a few things, but I understand that someone whose studied stuff for decades probably has a better understanding of that subject than me, who did my own research on Facebook and got advice from Gav at the pub.

LIKE THE WHOLE POINT OF EXPERTS IS THAT THEY DID DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH!

 

[Brainonska511]

There must be a strange personality trait that doesn't allow you to believe that other people might know more than you in a particular subject.
Like I'm ok at a few things, but I understand that someone whose studied stuff for decades probably has a better understanding of that subject than me, who did my own research on Facebook and got advice from Gav at the pub.

LIKE THE WHOLE POINT OF EXPERTS IS THAT THEY DID DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH!

The Dunning-Kruger effect is psychological: the more you know, the more you question how much you know, whereas when you know very little, you might be overconfident that you have the answer. I would suggest that it also seems likely that there is another strong component at play: people are confident/knowledgeable in their own niche, and inappropriately transfer that confidence to areas of where they have no expertise, and then mistakes confidence for knowledge.

 

[BoomerD]

The Dunning-Kruger effect is psychological: the more you know, the more you question how much you know, whereas when you know very little, you might be overconfident that you have the answer. I would suggest that it also seems likely that there is another strong component at play: people are confident/knowledgeable in their own niche, and inappropriately transfer that confidence to areas of where they have no expertise, and then mistakes confidence for knowledge.

As for me, I know nuthin…and can prove it!

 

[Torn Mind]

That whole premise does confuse me. If my boiler breaks I get a gas fitter, if my car craps out I get a mechanic, if I need an operation I see a surgeon...
When did guys on YouTube start thinking that people who know what they are doing aren't to be trusted in their area of expertise? Don't get me wrong, I know surgeons and I wouldn't trust them with many things other than cutting me up with minimal damage!
Apart from orthopedic surgeons. I reckon they could put together a fairly decent set of shelves!

Do you think every mechanic is ethical and doesn't take the opportunity to prey on the most vulnerable of customers through misdiagnosis?

 

[WilliamM2]

You missed my point. MSM is very biased, and those were examples of things where they are biased for or against. They are not the end all be all of information some of you seem to think, they are simply pushing whatever narrative is being decided by the people paying their salary and becoming millionaires off said narrative. The entire covid narrative was run by MSM and TV doctors. The narrative now has switched to wars. Lot of money in that too. To not look at other sources too and simply use common sense thinking is being very closed minded. Now days it seems doing your own research is frowned upon. Just do what the TV tells you!

Please define "MSM". YouTube isn't mainstream? Fox isn't mainstream?

Where do you find this mythical non "MSM" news?

 

[WilliamM2]

Double post

 

[linkgoron]

Gawd…when I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s, when a kid got sick with measles, chicken pox, or mumps, parents held sleepovers hoping to infect their kids…feed the herd immunity.
I must have done a dozen mumps parties…never could get it.

Measles used to cause more than 1% of death (worldwide) in children under five - and it's known to cause heavy damage to Immunological memory and in some cases causes long-term brain damage as well (1/1000 cases of Measles turns into Encephalitis and can cause permanent brain damage), and can also cause Dawson's Disease which usually only appears YEARS later.

Chicken Pox can "re-infect" you with shingles years later (as the virus stays dormant in your body).

Mumps can cause hearing loss in a lot of the cases (1%-4%) and is considered one of the leading causes of one-sided deafness in the world. It's also very painful in general and a pretty bad experience.

Really, you don't want to experience any of that. A lot of these diseases have nasty long-term effects.

 

[Iron Woode]

There have also been outbreaks of pertussis lately.

Trust me, no child should have to go through that.

Here is an example:

 

[BoomerD]

Measles used to cause more than 1% of death (worldwide) in children under five - and it's known to cause heavy damage to Immunological memory and in some cases causes long-term brain damage as well (1/1000 cases of Measles turns into Encephalitis and can cause permanent brain damage), and can also cause Dawson's Disease which usually only appears YEARS later.

Chicken Pox can "re-infect" you with shingles years later (as the virus stays dormant in your body).

Mumps can cause hearing loss in a lot of the cases (1%-4%) and is considered one of the leading causes of one-sided deafness in the world. It's also very painful in general and a pretty bad experience.

Really, you don't want to experience any of that. A lot of these diseases have nasty long-term effects.

You're absolutely right...and I'd encourage anyone at risk to get vaccinated...but when I was a kid, vaccines didn't exist for measles, chix pox, or mumps.
I've gotten the mumps vaccine, and have to redo my shingles vaccine...and pnuemonia vaccine.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Nah, we need to make vaccines optional. Man has forgotten the old gods. Time for us to be reintroduced to plague, pestilence, and disease.

 

[BoomerD]

Nah, we need to make vaccines optional. Man has forgotten the old gods. Time for us to be reintroduced to plague, pestilence, and disease.

For the most part, vaccinations already are optional...there may be some restrictions on the unvaccinated, but that seems acceptable. Unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed into public schools. Doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals should be vaccinated.

 

[WelshBloke]

Do you think every mechanic is ethical and doesn't take the opportunity to prey on the most vulnerable of customers through misdiagnosis?

I think that even unethical mechanics know more about cars than me.

 

[Torn Mind]

I think that even unethical mechanics know more about cars than me.

Then it appears that you also happily pay for their errors that result in more profit for them and more cost to you. Because it is well know behavior they starting their bullshit upon seeing indicators of cluelessness, such as being a woman or in a profession with no knlowedge of cars.

Because apparently knowledge excuses misconduct.

Me personally, a mechnaic attempted to sell both an alternator and battery when only the battery required replacement. The alternator still functions 11 years later, right now in the present.

It's hard to ve pro consumer when the masses are pro corporate and knowledge worshippers.

 

[IronWing]

Then it appears that you also happily pay for their errors that result in more profit for them and more cost to you. Because it is well know behavior they starting their bullshit upon seeing indicators of cluelessness, such as being a woman or in a profession with no knlowedge of cars.

Because apparently knowledge excuses misconduct.

Me personally, a mechnaic attempted to sell both an alternator and battery when only the battery required replacement. The alternator still functions 11 years later, right now in the present.

It's hard to ve pro consumer when the masses are pro corporate and knowledge worshippers.

Meanwhile, vaccines have proved to be a very safe and effective means of preventing deadly and debilitating diseases.

 

[WelshBloke]

Then it appears that you also happily pay for their errors that result in more profit for them and more cost to you. Because it is well know behavior they starting their bullshit upon seeing indicators of cluelessness, such as being a woman or in a profession with no knlowedge of cars.

Because apparently knowledge excuses misconduct.

Me personally, a mechnaic attempted to sell both an alternator and battery when only the battery required replacement. The alternator still functions 11 years later, right now in the present.

It's hard to ve pro consumer when the masses are pro corporate and knowledge worshippers.

Don't assume that things that have happened to you happen to everyone! I have a great mechanic, he's been passing my MOT with the same adviseries on for at least the last 3 years!

 

[Torn Mind]

Don't assume that things that have happened to you happen to everyone! I have a great mechanic, he's been passing my MOT with the same adviseries on for at least the last 3 years!

The reason consumer protections laws exists is because people do shit to others. From those laws, one can easily tell what common practices were employed prior to passage, such as unclear estimates, failure to return replaced parts.

Knowledge is not the same as performing the task as one should with said knowledge. Those who know but intentionally act to increase profits over fixing things the first time must not be excused for their misconduct.