Child labor in factories producing Samsung devices

[Chiropteran]

Nothing wrong with child labor or poor working conditions.

The problem was Apple trying to have this image of being all rainbows and unicorns happy little hippy good guy company, when they are far from it.

Samsung has never had that sort of image, so it's perfectly acceptable for them to torture and kill children as part of their manufacturing process, if it helps their bottom line.

 

[Phynaz]

If you could only answer that question with Yes or No, how would you answer that question.

Oh, I know the purpose of the question, but I don't see how it's related to jhansman's post, which equates to "eh, it's how it is, who cares".

 

[cheezy321]

Nothing wrong with child labor or poor working conditions.

The problem was Apple trying to have this image of being all rainbows and unicorns happy little hippy good guy company, when they are far from it.

Samsung has never had that sort of image, so it's perfectly acceptable for them to torture and kill children as part of their manufacturing process, if it helps their bottom line.

Wtf. Sometimes I think people live in an alternate universe in their head.

 

[MrX8503]

Nothing wrong with child labor or poor working conditions.

The problem was Apple trying to have this image of being all rainbows and unicorns happy little hippy good guy company, when they are far from it.

Samsung has never had that sort of image, so it's perfectly acceptable for them to torture and kill children as part of their manufacturing process, if it helps their bottom line.

lol I agree.

I also think that murderers/criminals should not go to jail just as long as they state they are murderers/criminals beforehand. I don't like surprises.

 

[Ravynmagi]

Oh, I know the purpose of the question, but I don't see how it's related to jhansman's post, which equates to "eh, it's how it is, who cares".

I don't know if he cares or not, but to me it just sounded like a pretty spot on statement. So much of what we buy is is at least partly manufactured with questionable labor practices in China and other places. We all know this, it's why they can make this stuff so cheaply.

I know I'm not tossing my tablets, phones, and computers into landfill and spending my evenings by the fireplace reading a book like it's the 19th century as a result of it.

I think it's China's issue and the people of China's issue. I certainly don't have the understanding of their culture to know what is right and wrong for them and their children. And I have no interest in fighting battles on their behalf. I think we have plenty of domestic issues here to worry about as it is.

 

[Zaap]

Oh, I know the purpose of the question, but I don't see how it's related to jhansman's post, which equates to "eh, it's how it is, who cares".

Hint: it's called a logical fallacy, and it doesn't equate to jhansman's post (which was spot on), but yours where you pulled the most blatant of logical fallacies. You didn't even pose it as a question, but a braindead accusation, when it had nothing to do with anything he said.


This whole subject is just so lame. Go look around your house, pick up virtually anything electronic you own, turn it over, and read where it was made. China. Thailand. Taiwan. Indonesia. Malaysia etc, etc, etc. None of us has any real freakin' clue in what conditions half this stuff was manufactured in, and yet all of us buy it anyway. And anyone pretending they don't and that they personally check out the conditions everything they own was made in- just shut up and stop lying already.

So no one in the first world that's a consumer has ANY freakin' business getting up on a high horse acting like they're above it all and sounding the alarm for everyone else on manufacturing conditions in Asia or anywhere else.

Reality: No one here gives a flying rat's ass about the conditions of any factory where Samsung or any other company makes their stuff. In this case, it's just a chance to whine at Samsung about something (the same as people whined at Apple about Foxconn) and do more cheerleading for the team. Get off it already.

 

[jpeyton]

First they copied Apple's phones, and now their labor tactics? When will it end?

 

[BladeVenom]

I'm waiting for Apple to sue them, and claim they invented exploiting child labor.

 

[Dumac]

Nothing wrong with child labor or poor working conditions.

The problem was Apple trying to have this image of being all rainbows and unicorns happy little hippy good guy company, when they are far from it.

Samsung has never had that sort of image, so it's perfectly acceptable for them to torture and kill children as part of their manufacturing process, if it helps their bottom line.

lol I agree.

I also think that murderers/criminals should not go to jail just as long as they state they are murderers/criminals beforehand. I don't like surprises.

First they copied Apple's phones, and now their labor tactics? When will it end?

This thread is filled with gold

 

[Brian Stirling]

I'm waiting for Apple to sue them, and claim they invented exploiting child labor.

Don't laugh, right now there are patent courts set to deny Samsung and others from using child labor because Apples abuse of children is "inventive" and "insanely great". D:


Brian

 

[Phynaz]

Reality: No one here gives a flying rat's ass about the conditions of any factory where Samsung or any other company makes their stuff. In this case, it's just a chance to whine at Samsung about something (the same as people whined at Apple about Foxconn) and do more cheerleading for the team. Get off it already.

Samsung cheerleader upset?

Anyway, you are proven wrong just by reading the posts in this thread. There are people that "give a flying rat's ass" as you so eloquently put it.

 

[Topweasel]

Wtf. Sometimes I think people live in an alternate universe in their head.

It seems messed up, but the perception is different. Before the Apple thing started up, if you had lined up the two companies and asked me which you thought was had companies resorting to using children in their factories. It would have been Samsung.

Not to say that I can't separate Foxconn and Apple. Same thing with Samsung and this supplier. But as an image company, and American. I would have expected that like Disney and Sony not allowing their movies to be produced in a factory that does any porn disc manufacturing, that Apple would make sure that their contract would have stricter guidelines on what kind of labor is used in the manufacturing of parts for them.

With Samsung you are talking about a company that I figured already resorted to it as a Korean company. It's part of the culture in Asia, and Samsung like LG, are always about minimizing costs including using cheaper and weaker components. I wouldn't surprise me if in their and their suppliers factory that actually have a kid quota.

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Samsung cheerleader upset?

Anyway, you are proven wrong just by reading the posts in this thread. There are people that "give a flying rat's ass" as you so eloquently put it.

Nah, as he did point out.... people pretend to give a flying rat's ass... Everyone uses products of questionable work ethic everyday; from electronics, clothing, furniture, silverware, pens, pencils, and basically everything else you use.

He was just stating that IF people actually cared then they wouldn't support this practice by purchasing such products. The fact that they are posting on a tech forum is all the proof in the world that we need to tattoo them with the label: "Hey, I like to pretend I care...but I can't live without my computer / phone that was constructed by an 8 year old that works 18 hour days."

Fact of the matter is, you live in a first world country that produces nothing other than food. YOU RELY on child labor and human rights violations to do so; be thankful, not pretentious.

 

[Dari]

It's Samsung. Anyone here surprised? They are several levels below Apple in everything so why would child labor be any different. They poison their own people back in Korea so nothing shocks me...

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Meh don't care. Everyone does it

 

[Zaap]

Nah, as he did point out.... people pretend to give a flying rat's ass... Everyone uses products of questionable work ethic everyday; from electronics, clothing, furniture, silverware, pens, pencils, and basically everything else you use.

He was just stating that IF people actually cared then they wouldn't support this practice by purchasing such products. The fact that they are posting on a tech forum is all the proof in the world that we need to tattoo them with the label: "Hey, I like to pretend I care...but I can't live without my computer / phone that was constructed by an 8 year old that works 18 hour days."

Fact of the matter is, you live in a first world country that produces nothing other than food. YOU RELY on child labor and human rights violations to do so; be thankful, not pretentious.

Exactly.

And everyone toss all your Apple stuff out as well. Not because of Foxconn but because of...


GASP!

Samsung!

Or gee, while some were up on a soapbox of fake outrage over Samsung pretending they give a flying rat's ass (as I so eloquently put it) I guess our selective outrage forgot where a lot of parts in Apple products come from also. It's impossible for anyone to try and toss crap at anyone else on this subject without just hitting themselves in the face with it.

 

[Phynaz]

And everyone toss all your Apple stuff out as well. Not because of Foxconn but because of...

I don't own any Apple stuff. How about I toss out all my Samsung stuff? There's plenty of that.

 

[lothar]

http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/pro/proshow-175.html

Work conditions described as "well below" those of Apple supplier Foxcon factories.

I'm interested to see if this will cause the furor that was attached to Apple.

Who cares?

 

[Zaap]

How about I toss out all my Samsung stuff? There's plenty of that.

So do it. Go ahead. And half the other stuff in your house.

 

[Cookie Monster]

First they copied Apple's phones, and now their labor tactics? When will it end?

Just made my day *thumbs up*

 

[badb0y]

This is funny. Back track, deflect, back track, deflect.
LOL

 

[zsdersw]

I'm waiting for Apple to sue them, and claim they invented exploiting child labor.

:thumbsup:

 

[cytoSiN]

First they copied Apple's phones, and now their labor tactics? When will it end?

I'm waiting for Apple to sue them, and claim they invented exploiting child labor.

+1 to you both. But everyone knows that Nike invented exploiting child labor, and they're not nearly as litigious as Apple & Samsung.

But seriously...there was a program on PBS (or maybe BBC or a local news program? I can't remember) a few months ago about a family in China that tried to show both sides of the issue. In short, if the kids (8 and 11 iirc) didn't go to the factory-cities to work (living there for months at a time), their family in rural China (parents, grandparents, and a toddler) wouldn't eat. At the same time, the conditions were horrible and families were separated. There was also this movie called China Blue that PBS produced without permission from Chinese authorities, but the girl it focused on was 17 -- still, it showed the horrible conditions in factories while pointing out that factory owners have little choice given the laws and economy in China. The point is that it's not as black and white as "child labor is evil no matter what, and we have to eradicate it!"

I also agree with others in this thread that much of what we rely on in the US is in some way brought to us by child labor (China Blue is a good example of this). Like it or not, it's hard to avoid living in the US today without indirectly supporting it. That doesn't make it OK, but it makes it harder to criticize.

 

[Renob]

as long as they do a good job Im ok with it...

 

[Mopetar]

First they copied Apple's phones, and now their labor tactics? When will it end?

Probably when they sue themselves. Either way they lose.