Chicago public school bans lunch from home

[werepossum]

No, you really aren't being reasonable. You don't have to agree with my views on state/child interaction to hold reasonable views. It is not a reasonable depiction of liberal thought on state/child interaction to say that they believe them to be state property.

If you believe that there is an action which liberals have taken that show that they believe children to be state property, please list it here. Regulating the food being brought into schools for one meal out of the day will not be sufficient, unfortunately. (or even on the same planet as sufficient)

To be clear: the belief that liberals think the state owns people is every bit as insane and stupid as being a birther. I mean that.

To many (perhaps most) Americans, the concept that parents do not know how to feed their children and that therefore government needs to step in is certainly every bit as far out, insane and stupid as being a birther. There are legitimate questions about Obama's birth, even if I personally find them unpersuasive and impractical. There is NO legitimacy to the view that parents are not qualified to feed their own children on school grounds, but are otherwise qualified to raise them.

The concepts that government owns the product of your labor, can and should control what your child eats to the point of preventing you from feeding that child, can take your property and transfer it to another for its own benefit via higher taxes - these concepts may somehow fundamentally differ from thinking feeling that government owns the people, but if so it's a very fine division.

 

[DaveSimmons]

You think a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is nutritious?

It can be. I make mine with whole wheat bread (24% daily RDA fiber), Adams all-natural peanut butter (no added fillers, salt or sugar) and low-sugar raspberry preserves (or similar).

Agreed that this is as likely to be a federal funds grab as really being about "the children"'s health.

 

[vi edit]

Just when I think the nutjobs up in Chicago couldn't mess up things anymore than they have already, they go and do something like this.....and totally redeem themselves!

Bravo.

I wonder what this schools physical education policy is?

 

[OutHouse]

Ill be damed is my kids school will tell me what they can eat. The principal would see a very very pissed father.

 

[fskimospy]

To many (perhaps most) Americans, the concept that parents do not know how to feed their children and that therefore government needs to step in is certainly every bit as far out, insane and stupid as being a birther. There are legitimate questions about Obama's birth, even if I personally find them unpersuasive and impractical. There is NO legitimacy to the view that parents are not qualified to feed their own children on school grounds, but are otherwise qualified to raise them.

The concepts that government owns the product of your labor,

can and should control what your child eats to the point of preventing you from feeding that child

can take your property and transfer it to another for its own benefit via higher taxes

- these concepts may somehow fundamentally differ from thinking feeling that government owns the people, but if so it's a very fine division.

First bolded:
By this logic any person who believes in the ability of the government to levy any tax ever believes that the government owns the people. This is clearly false, and a wild distortion of any rational understanding of taxation.

Second bolded:
The government, by consent of the people, executes limited parental authority over children while they are in school. This is obviously necessary for reasons of discipline, etc. Within that, the idea that the school being able to decide what foods are consumed inside of it during school hours somehow indicates belief in the OWNERSHIP OF CHILDREN, is batshit insane. I guess when schools banned gum it was because they owned the kids as well, I mean who are they to say?

Third bolded:
All government action is wealth transfer. Once again, if your objection is that the government cannot transfer wealth, you are simply opposed to the idea of taxation and government. This is not a rational stance.

Your ideas on what constitute ownership of something are simply bizarre, and in addition approximately 99% of all Americans, almost all conservatives included would be believers in government ownership of people according to your ideas. So once again, I will submit to you that your argument is no better than birtherism, it's the lunatic fringe.

 

[OutHouse]

While kids are at school their wellbeing is the responsibility of the school because they're "wards of the state".

Holy shit you can post the most retarded crap in here. How in the world have you made it this far in life?

 

[Red Dawn]

Most kids take their lunch money and buy drugs, booze of smokes with it anyway.

 

[dmcowen674]

Chicago public school bans lunch from home

Since the schools are responsible for the kids and the Corporations own the government that makes the kids the property of the school so of course you must eat only what the corporation says you must pay for.

This will be the case for everything so get used to it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Chicago public school bans lunch from home

Since the schools are responsible for the kids and the Corporations own the government that makes the kids the property of the school so of course you must eat only what the corporation says you must pay for.

This will be the case for everything so get used to it.

Why do liberals hate children in Chicago???

 

[her209]

Where was the outrage when schools told parents their kids had to wear uniforms to school?

 

[boomerang]

Can't resist this.

 

[Fern]

Anybody find irony in that schools complain about students' parents not taking responsibility for them and then turns around and takes away responsibility for their children from them?

Yeah, agree probably a money grab.

And common sense says something is wrong with the cafateria food if you've got to force people to eat there. In the private sector if you want more people to eat there, you improve it. The government's way is to just force you, screw improvement.

Fern

 

[Vic Vega]

Won't somebody think of the children? But nobody even realizes the kids don't eat the school lunch because it's so bad. You could make a much better meal for them from home. Just what the hell is happening to this country. Look at that picture of an enchilada and tell me that's healthy, or appetizing.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...nch-restrictions-041120110410,0,4567867.story

Just another way to force unions on people.

People aren't buying the school lunch? Lets FORCE them to. That way we can keep those union jobs and food service contracts.

Corruption. It's the Chicago way.

I'm from Chicago and shit like this keeps me from ever thinking about returning home.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Just another way to force unions on people.

People aren't buying the school lunch? Lets FORCE them to. That way we can keep those union jobs and food service contracts.

Corruption. It's the Chicago way.

I'm from Chicago and shit like this keeps me from ever thinking about returning home.

How can you say that...Chicago is the epitome of superior and highly effective democratic ideologies.

Shame on you!

 

[werepossum]

Anybody find irony in that schools complain about students' parents not taking responsibility for them and then turns around and takes away responsibility for their children from them?

Yeah, agree probably a money grab.

And common sense says something is wrong with the cafateria food if you've got to force people to eat there. In the private sector if you want more people to eat there, you improve it. The government's way is to just force you, screw improvement.

Fern

Reminds me of East Germany. The more left something is, the more you have to force people to participate.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

That is a logical reason, much more so than the authoritarian "government knows better than your parents" explanation given by the school.

That may be the real reason but its covered in a gooey sauce of "Government Knows Best" reasoning to make it easier to digest.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

heh the last two years of high school i don't think i ever ate the cafeteria food. i'd get a milk/juice and some prepackaged mrs baird's apple cinnamon rolls. i'd wait to get home for real food.

LOL..That is just completely traumatizing.

 

[spidey07]

That may be the real reason but its cover in a gooey sauce of "Government Knows Best" reasoning to make it easier to digest.

I don't know what's worse honestly. Being a money grab/kickback or that somebody actually will think "government knows best, we will force you to eat our food" is a good idea anyway, like that reasoning is somehow "OK".

All kinds of fucked up anyway you slice it.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I don't know what's worse honestly. Being a money grab/kickback or that somebody actually will think "government knows best, we will force you to eat our food" is a good idea anyway, like that reasoning is somehow "OK".

All kinds of fucked up anyway you slice it.

They are both bad but one is easier to dismiss then the former which uses an appeal to authority, "Big Government knows better then you so stfu!" that can be thrown at stupid (or passive people) to get them to go along with bad or misguided policy.

 

[NeoV]

only took the 2nd page of posts for some dumb ass to make this a liberal vs. conservative issue

 

[JSt0rm]

as a liberal I would never let my kids be forced to eat that shit.

 

[Zebo]

People getting hooked up..

$70,000 a year pensioned Union labor who no longer cooks, just unwraps private contractors meals who both paid to elect board who make this choice.

Shit is garbage like all school meals and children are last in this "equation"

Z cooks everything around here and they get 1 apple, 1 banana, and a sandwich with lots of lettuce and tomato aboard. Cost is about $4 a week.

 

[spidey07]

People getting hooked up..

$70,000 a year pensioned Union labor who no longer cooks, just unwraps private contractors meals who both paid to elect board who make this choice.

Shit is garbage like all school meals and children are last in this "equation"

Z cooks everything around here and they get 1 apple, 1 banana, and a sandwich with lots of lettuce and tomato aboard. Cost is about $4 a week.

Omg! How can you give them processed food! You savage!

 

[waggy]

People getting hooked up..

$70,000 a year pensioned Union labor who no longer cooks, just unwraps private contractors meals who both paid to elect board who make this choice.

Shit is garbage like all school meals and children are last in this "equation"

Z cooks everything around here and they get 1 apple, 1 banana, and a sandwich with lots of lettuce and tomato aboard. Cost is about $4 a week.

thats one good thing about my kids school. they make everything fresh daily!

 

[Wordplay]

I bet the staff of that school brings in their own lunch from home as well.