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Adam Toledo Video Shows Chicago Police Shooting 13-Year-Old As He Raised His Hands (GRAPHIC VIDEO)

Footage from police body cameras was publicly released Thursday, 17 days after an officer fatally shot the 13-year-old in Little Village.
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We'll see how this one shakes out but at first glance this doesn't look good for the Chicago Police. Not a lot of support from the community and now something like this happens. I saw a couple buildings boarded up in anticipation of violence/looting this evening. Hopefully people can come together over this and not resort to more violence.
 
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Ah man. After watching it I think a scared kid was dropping a gun he had in his hoodie pocket while trying to raise his hands. Cop saw a gun and shot. I wouldn't want to judge this for any amount of money.

I couldn't watch much past that point and I see gun shot wounds every day. Seeing them in the clinical setting is drastically different that watching how it play out in the field. I feel terrible for the mother and feel terrible for the LEO. Neither wanted to see that 13 year old dead. This one is going to be tough. I hope people can keep their shit together over this.
 
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himkhan said:
Ah man. After watching it I think a scared kid was dropping a gun he had in his hoodie pocket while trying to raise his hands. Cop saw a gun and shot. I wouldn't want to judge this for any amount of money.

I couldn't watch much past that point and I see gun shot wounds every day. Seeing them in the clinical setting is drastically different that watching how it play out in the field. I feel terrible for the mother and feel terrible for the LEO. Neither wanted to see that 13 year old dead. This one is going to be tough. I hope people can keep their shit together over this.
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Kinda looks like he ran, tossed something behind the fence then faced the officer with hands raised and the officer flinched.
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Videos show Adam Toledo, 13, may have dropped gun as he raised his hands when CPD officer fatally shot him

CHICAGO — A 13-year-old boy appears to have dropped a gun and raised his hands just before a Chicago police officer fatally shot him last month after a foot chase in the Little Village neighborhood…
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I'm neutral on this one.
A 13 year old in an alley with a gun at 230AM vs an Officer chasing a kid with gun and an adrenaline rush.
I'm going go back to checking weather for the weekend....
 
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Is usage of strobe lights like that common for police? I know it's meant to blind/disorient, but it makes it difficult to see what the kid is actually doing.
 
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I think the officer definitely jumped, but given the prior circumstances (shots were fired earlier) and chasing him through that alley, my initial reaction, I can't blame him.
 
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More details. When I was watching CNN tonight they were speculating that the 21yo who is thought to have been doing the initial shooting and was with Toledo gave Toledo the gun to run with it. I'll wait for more investigation details.


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Chicago police say bodycam footage shows less than a second passes from when 13-year-old is seen holding a handgun and is shot by officer | CNN

Authorities released body-worn camera footage that shows an officer making a split-second decision to fire a single shot that killed 13-year-old Adam Toledo after the boy is seen holding a handgun at the end of a foot chase, according to police.
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pauldun170 said:
Kinda looks like he ran, tossed something behind the fence then faced the officer with hands raised and the officer flinched.
wgntv.com

Videos show Adam Toledo, 13, may have dropped gun as he raised his hands when CPD officer fatally shot him

CHICAGO — A 13-year-old boy appears to have dropped a gun and raised his hands just before a Chicago police officer fatally shot him last month after a foot chase in the Little Village neighborhood…
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I'm neutral on this one.
A 13 year old in an alley with a gun at 230AM vs an Officer chasing a kid with gun and an adrenaline rush.
I'm going go back to checking weather for the weekend....
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Was he a threat to the officer with his hands up, complying with orders? No? Maybe the cop shouldn't have murdered him then. The cop being scared and hyped up doesn't justify him murdering a kid without taking two seconds to survey the situation.

Not sure why so many people are okay with summary executions, just because the man with body armor that signed up to be LEO got scared.
 
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..... *deep sigh*

I've watched it play out almost a dozen times and I have to say that it's a tough call. I definitely don't think the kid deserved to get shot, but you can hear the panic in the LEO's voice right when the kid decides to turn around to put his arms up. At that moment, the cop says, "Stop! Drop it!" and really sounds like he's afraid for his life. He fires off an anticipatory round on the off-chance the kid still had a gun or something in his pocket that would have caught the cop off-guard. Again, I still believe the kid did not deserve to die, especially when in hindsight there was no real threat to the cop, but I can understand that within the heat of the moment, if it does feel like it could be life or death, the cop will want to shoot first. With that said, cops wear body armor and have tasers, etc. so even if the suspect is believed to be armed, I think the taser should always be drawn first.
 
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Having just watched it. Wow.

Armed teen, turns to face the cop. He is "dead" the second he turns around. You know why? Because he was armed. Cop already made the decision to shoot before he could see the empty hands, that the gun was tossed. This all happened too fast to react differently.

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If we can arrest a man who just got done beating a cop and dragging him with a vehicle, I think we can not shoot a kid with his hands up.

Another example of a poorly trained police officer.
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Did you watch the video? That is not what happened. A single still frame from it does not depict how fast it occurred. His "hands being up" was meaningless, the decision to pull the trigger was already made. Too little too late. If cops think you are armed. You need to move slow in a non threatening manner. "Turning around to shoot" is was reacted to by deadly force. That is justified. Even though it is not what the teen was trying to do, that is definitely how the cop saw it.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Having just watched it. Wow.

Armed teen, turns to face the cop. He is "dead" the second he turns around. You know why? Because he was armed. Cop already made the decision to shoot before he could see the empty hands, that the gun was tossed. This all happened too fast to react differently.



Did you watch the video? That is not what happened. A single still frame from it does not depict how fast it occurred. His "hands being up" was meaningless, the decision to pull the trigger was already made. Too little too late. If cops think you are armed. You need to move slow in a non threatening manner. "Turning around to shoot" is was reacted to by deadly force. That is justified. Even though it is not what the teen was trying to do, that is definitely how the cop saw it.
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So after all the stories of "Comply or die" this is an example of "Don't Comply and Live, Comply and die." If the kid had kept running he'd be alive. Maybe it's time we just realize the police in this country have no problem murdering citizens, and they largely get away with it.

Cops shouldn't be given the luxury of shooting first and asking questions later. By your own words, this cop decided to kill the kid before his life was threatened, and continued to carry out the execution after the kid attempted to surrender.
 
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Zorba said:
By your own words, this cop decided to kill the kid before his life was threatened
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His life was threatened by the gun the teen was holding. And by the quick "turn to shoot" that the teen did.

Yes, we can sit down in comfy chairs and pick it apart frame by frame. And realize the teen had tossed the gun. That his hands were empty as he turned. He was already dead by then. The gun and the movement is all it was. The decision to shoot is in the moment, and how a person is expected to react given the information they have at the time. You are misusing the information available after the fact. Rather than placing yourself in their shoes.
 
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Jaskalas said:
His life was threatened by the gun the teen was holding. And by the quick "turn to shoot" that the teen did.

Yes, we can sit down in comfy chairs and pick it apart frame by frame. And realize the teen had tossed the gun. That his hands were empty as he turned. He was already dead by then. The gun and the movement is all it was. The decision to shoot is in the moment, and how a person is expected to react given the information they have at the time. You are misusing the information available after the fact. Rather than placing yourself in their shoes.
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I don't buy it. These guys are supposed to be the professionals. Other professions don't get to make these sorts of mistakes and get away with it. You can't put the onus on perfection on the person who has never been in that situation and take it away from the person who is trained to make the right decision in those situations.

100% chance this cop gets hit with manslaughter or murder 2 and we have a long messy trial.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Having just watched it. Wow.

Armed teen, turns to face the cop. He is "dead" the second he turns around. You know why? Because he was armed. Cop already made the decision to shoot before he could see the empty hands, that the gun was tossed. This all happened too fast to react differently.



Did you watch the video? That is not what happened. A single still frame from it does not depict how fast it occurred. His "hands being up" was meaningless, the decision to pull the trigger was already made. Too little too late. If cops think you are armed. You need to move slow in a non threatening manner. "Turning around to shoot" is was reacted to by deadly force. That is justified. Even though it is not what the teen was trying to do, that is definitely how the cop saw it.
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Sorry mr authoritarian, fear does not give you the right to execute a citizen you are sworn to protect and serve. When you wear that badge and you have the power to take someone’s life, you better be 100% positive that that course of action was/is the only option.
If that doesn’t sound fair to you then don’t be a fucking cop.

But you do you and keep lowering the bar of what citizens should expect from the people who are sworn to protect and serve.
 
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Another cop killing another person complying and without a gun.

Another mass shooting.

Seriously ... WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?
 
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BlueWeasel said:
Is usage of strobe lights like that common for police? I know it's meant to blind/disorient, but it makes it difficult to see what the kid is actually doing.
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This occurred to me too watching the video. It makes it hard to see if he was complying with commands, which it would seem he did.
 
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I think this is one of those situations where perspective is needed. Everyone should re-watch ALL the videos, understand what took place before the shooting and try to walk in the shoes of that cop and the child.
 
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Isn't the kid white?

How are we supposed to continue with the racist narrative that they are more prone to being trigger happy only with blacks?!



Also kids - lets not do things like this:

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