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Ferocious

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As you kids get older, you will realize qualifications have little to do with being elected. It's all about the campaign, the commercials, the talk shows, and marketing.

Hell Bush was a failed businessman, and had never been outside North America before becoming Prez.

 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Perknose
Cheyney doesn't have the heart to resign . . . literlally. Who would run the country if Cheyney left?

Cheney would continue to run the country, as always. Stepping down from the VP role wouldn't need to change that.

Placing Condi in the VP spot positions her well to run for president in '08. Who knows what the motivation would be.

Condi has no interest in running. It will be an outsider, whomever Bush wants to be his successor, if this happens.

So she says. Things change, especially if she were to become the VP.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I would love to see what would happen in 08 if the US were forced to vote between a Repub. Condi and a Dem. Hilary.

Hillary would win in a landslide. Bush's base would never vote for a black person for presidency. The fact that Condi is pro-choice wouldn't help either.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Well libbies, if you're going to dream, you might as well dream big. :D :laugh:
Well, that shows how small you dream. Dreaming big would include Bush's resignation, as well, followed by putting both of them on trial for treason if they were involved in outing Valerie Plame.

If you really want to dream big, add further trials for all the death and damage resulting leading the country to war based on lies.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I would love to see what would happen in 08 if the US were forced to vote between a Repub. Condi and a Dem. Hilary.

Hillary would win in a landslide. Bush's base would never vote for a black person for presidency. The fact that Condi is pro-choice wouldn't help either.


Yeah, right. Republicans would much rather vote for a black repuiblican than Hillary. Republicans would vote Bill back into office before they'd vote his wife in.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Pabster
Well libbies, if you're going to dream, you might as well dream big. :D :laugh:
Well, that shows how small you dream. Dreaming big would include Bush's resignation, as well, followed by putting both of them on trial for treason if they were involved in outing Valerie Plame.

If you really want to dream big, add further trials for all the death and damage resulting leading the country to war based on lies.



Ahh the Hauge, and the smell of neocons locked away in the morning.. heres the prision wing for international war criminals

 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I would love to see what would happen in 08 if the US were forced to vote between a Repub. Condi and a Dem. Hilary.

Dick Morris seems to think it will shake out like this:

Condi takes away the extra women voters that would have flocked to Hill's side eliminating that advantage. The Dems need 90% of the black vote to win any national election. Condi will take anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 the black vote.

Result: Condi wins.

He also believes that in a head to head debate Condi will wipe the floor with Hill... Especially on foreign policy debate.

Morris is a tool. Condi couldn't win the GOP primary unless Diebold is her campaign "mananger." Hilary wins the Dem primary in a cakewalk.

Reagan/Carter, Clinton/Dole, Bush/Gore, and Bush/Kerry pretty much implies that the person that knows the least about foreign policy has little to fear. On the flipside, Bush Regime debacles . . . aren't exactly credentials one would laud.

Morris is sort of right about some of the hypotheticals in the unlikely event that Rice is nominated:
1) He said white males vote heavily for Rice. Maybe. I believe Rice will get more white males than Clinton but the margin will not be overwelming. Some white males won't vote b/c black woman is just as bad as liberal white woman.
2) Rice definitely EARNS a lot of minority votes assuming she stays away from the GOP platform. Clinton holds an edge overall though.
3) Rice gets some female voters but LESS than Bush did in 2004.
4) The base turns out for Clinton . . . Rice doesn't have a base.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Morris is a tool.

Yeah, a "tool" who happens to more about the Clintons than almost anyone else.

Of course you discredit him because you don't like what he has to say.

The truth hurts :laugh:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: EatSpam

Condi has no interest in running. It will be an outsider, whomever Bush wants to be his successor, if this happens.

So she says. Things change, especially if she were to become the VP.[/quote]

Things are certainly more interesting ahead from the Republicans side of the coin because there are so many that want to run.

None of them stand a chance against Clinton.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EatSpam

Condi has no interest in running. It will be an outsider, whomever Bush wants to be his successor, if this happens.

So she says. Things change, especially if she were to become the VP.

Things are certainly more interesting ahead from the Republicans side of the coin because there are so many that want to run.

None of them stand a chance against Clinton.[/quote]

The right wing hate machine perpetuates their myth about the Clintons because they can't beat them in a fair election. America remembers the excellent economy and surplus of the Clinton years regardless of the continued childish sexual obsession of the children of the extreme right.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: BBond
The right wing hate machine perpetuates their myth about the Clintons because they can't beat them in a fair election. America remembers the excellent economy and surplus of the Clinton years regardless of the continued childish sexual obsession of the children of the extreme right.

Stretching it a little.

For the 8 years that Clinton was at the helm; I noticed very little hate toward him.
The Whitewater was considered by may to be political knife cutting.
The Monica story was the problem because he was lying under oath not that he was feeling her up.

I never saw any complaining by the Repubs about the election being stolen from Bush Sr by Clinton.

People also remember the crash of the .Com and stockmarket which mappened under Clinton's watch.

 

Pabster

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NO NO! Clinton can do no wrong :confused:

Clinton came in on the edges of a big bubble called dot com and left just before the bubble burst. That's luck, and nothing more.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Perknose
Cheyney doesn't have the heart to resign . . . literlally. Who would run the country if Cheyney left?

Cheney would continue to run the country, as always. Stepping down from the VP role wouldn't need to change that.

Placing Condi in the VP spot positions her well to run for president in '08. Who knows what the motivation would be.

Condi has no interest in running. It will be an outsider, whomever Bush wants to be his successor, if this happens.
Condi would never get past the South Carolina primary. If you doubt me I have two words for you, John McCain.
 
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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.
 
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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Perknose
Cheyney doesn't have the heart to resign . . . literlally. Who would run the country if Cheyney left?

Cheney would continue to run the country, as always. Stepping down from the VP role wouldn't need to change that.

Placing Condi in the VP spot positions her well to run for president in '08. Who knows what the motivation would be.

Condi has no interest in running. It will be an outsider, whomever Bush wants to be his successor, if this happens.
Condi would never get past the South Carolina primary. If you doubt me I have two words for you, John McCain.

McCain may be too old to run. Question is can he beat Hillary?

The Republicans and the Democrats have a very narrow field of real candidates.
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.

And Bush has never vetoed a bill. Never, not one. Compare that to the 20-50 presidential vetoes in the last few presidents.
 
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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.

And Bush has never vetoed a bill. Never, not one. Compare that to the 20-50 presidential vetoes in the last few presidents.
What's the record on vetos when the president and congress are the same political party affiliation?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.

And Bush has never vetoed a bill. Never, not one. Compare that to the 20-50 presidential vetoes in the last few presidents.
What's the record on vetos when the president and congress are the same political party affiliation?

Irrelevant . . . as President, you are ultimately responsible for every piece of legislation you sign into law. Congress has the power of the purse to the extent a President doesn't exercise veto authority. Bush CHOSE to sign off on the appropriations. Many of the "emergency" spending bills evolved directly from an Executive branch request (typically DOD). Bush certainly claims the tax cuts. The GOP Congress on balance has appropriated more than Bush has requested in WH budget proposals but the difference isn't even in the ballpark of the $460B in red ink for fiscal 2005.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I would love to see what would happen in 08 if the US were forced to vote between a Repub. Condi and a Dem. Hilary.

Hillary would win in a landslide. Bush's base would never vote for a black person for presidency. The fact that Condi is pro-choice wouldn't help either.


Yeah, right. Republicans would much rather vote for a black repuiblican than Hillary. Republicans would vote Bill back into office before they'd vote his wife in.

Maybe you, but the people living in trailer parks and the rural areas that comprise at least 50% of the Republican would never vote for a "goddamn n*gger", to use their phrasing.
 
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.

And Bush has never vetoed a bill. Never, not one. Compare that to the 20-50 presidential vetoes in the last few presidents.
What's the record on vetos when the president and congress are the same political party affiliation?

Irrelevant . . . as President, you are ultimately responsible for every piece of legislation you sign into law. Congress has the power of the purse to the extent a President doesn't exercise veto authority. Bush CHOSE to sign off on the appropriations. Many of the "emergency" spending bills evolved directly from an Executive branch request (typically DOD). Bush certainly claims the tax cuts. The GOP Congress on balance has appropriated more than Bush has requested in WH budget proposals but the difference isn't even in the ballpark of the $460B in red ink for fiscal 2005.
No it's not irrelevant. If a comparison is made, let's compare like cases. And please stop using every comment people make as an excuse to go on yet another Bush bashing mission. I really don't care about your little beef with Bush and your reply does not answer my question.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.

And Bush has never vetoed a bill. Never, not one. Compare that to the 20-50 presidential vetoes in the last few presidents.
What's the record on vetos when the president and congress are the same political party affiliation?

Irrelevant . . . as President, you are ultimately responsible for every piece of legislation you sign into law. Congress has the power of the purse to the extent a President doesn't exercise veto authority. Bush CHOSE to sign off on the appropriations. Many of the "emergency" spending bills evolved directly from an Executive branch request (typically DOD). Bush certainly claims the tax cuts. The GOP Congress on balance has appropriated more than Bush has requested in WH budget proposals but the difference isn't even in the ballpark of the $460B in red ink for fiscal 2005.
No it's not irrelevant. If a comparison is made, let's compare like cases. And please stop using every comment people make as an excuse to go on yet another Bush bashing mission. I really don't care about your little beef with Bush and your reply does not answer my question.

What the hell is wrong with you? These aren't like cases; Bush has never vetod a single bill; he has threatened to veto another bill because it contains rules agaisnt torture.

There isn't any bush bashing in this; and you do definatly care about our beefs with the Bush Administration.
 

Perknose

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I don't see Cheyney resigning, no matter what the state of his health is. Cheyney is the man, the leader of the cabal of which Bush is just the photogenic, beer buddy cuddly poster boy. Like Generalissimo Fransisco Franco, they will keep his corpse in power as long as they possibly can.

Hard to know what this junta's strategery is regarding Condi, but it makes more sense to run her as VP against Hilary in order to siphon off black and women voters. They will run someone along the lines of the late George Lincoln Rockwell, suitably rehabilitated in the press, for prez. Got to hang on to your looney base 'n all.
 
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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
yup, balancing the budget and creating the largest surplus in US history is pure luck. George Bush and his administration racking up the largest deficit in US history, not at all his fault. Sounds about right Pabster. your such a partisan hack.

I hate to quibble, but Congress is really to blame. They have the power of the purse.

And Bush has never vetoed a bill. Never, not one. Compare that to the 20-50 presidential vetoes in the last few presidents.
What's the record on vetos when the president and congress are the same political party affiliation?

Irrelevant . . . as President, you are ultimately responsible for every piece of legislation you sign into law. Congress has the power of the purse to the extent a President doesn't exercise veto authority. Bush CHOSE to sign off on the appropriations. Many of the "emergency" spending bills evolved directly from an Executive branch request (typically DOD). Bush certainly claims the tax cuts. The GOP Congress on balance has appropriated more than Bush has requested in WH budget proposals but the difference isn't even in the ballpark of the $460B in red ink for fiscal 2005.
No it's not irrelevant. If a comparison is made, let's compare like cases. And please stop using every comment people make as an excuse to go on yet another Bush bashing mission. I really don't care about your little beef with Bush and your reply does not answer my question.

What the hell is wrong with you? These aren't like cases; Bush has never vetod a single bill; he has threatened to veto another bill because it contains rules agaisnt torture.

There isn't any bush bashing in this; and you do definatly care about our beefs with the Bush Administration.
Ask a simple question, get BS in return. How typical.

Your comment was superficial. I wanted to compare Bush's veto record to similar cases instead of just "previous presidents."

Now why is that so hard for you and others to understand? Get down off your horse please. :roll: