Cheney makes Kerry look like a fool

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I am a huge Kerry fan, most of Bush's accusation's toward Kerry are of false origins. When Bush criticizes Kerry for "flip flopping" on various programs and acts. Let us all know that Kerry was lied to and heard that the patriot act was going to be brought about another way than what Bush had told everyone ; and No Child left Behind was underfunded by 9 billion dollars. That is why Kerry is so pissed off at Bush for being such an idiot..

If you want a President who lost nearly 3million jobs (worst since Herbert Hoover)
Worst medicare/healthcare system to date
Tax cuts for the wealthy
Gets a nation into war over his own personal agenda
and don't forget the man has an IQ of 91
Then be an idiot, Vote Bush

Otherwise your man is Kerry...

Kerry will own Bush on the issues; this I am sure of
W00T

Bull. You have to put all the Bush boys together to get an IQ of 91.

 

[colonel]

Q]What you don't seem to get through your skulls is that I am a lifelong Republican,
I was in the Military, and I understand how this country is SUPPOSED to work.
It's not working, as the GOP has changed what they stand for and I will not
support their current narrowminded extreme right agenda. It's wrong.
It's a death sentance for our country and democracy in the eyes of the world."


I agree with this....

 

[CaptnKirk]

"an IQ of 91"

So - you're spotting him 90 points ?

 

[TechJunkie95242]

W00T[/quote]

Bull. You have to put all the Bush boys together to get an IQ of 91.

[/quote]

LMAO dude, never thought to come here and say something like that...

funny

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
You all love glossing over the TRUTH. Kerry wanted Bush to restore some of the tax cuts before he would vote for the $87 billion authorization bill. Kerry was exhibiting fiscal responsibility.

Bush's FY2005 budget is looking at an approximately $500 billion deficit!!

Glossing over the TRUTH?? please, Kerry is so full of Bull$hit it isn't even funny...here he is calling Bush out on not supplying armor which troops needed yet Kerry is one of the ones who voted down the bill to provide the funding!! fiscal responsibility my ass...

also if you want to talk about fund accounting then why not look at Kerry's medical plan which makes no sense whatsoever...

More proof that Kerry is a waffler and this is absolutely ludicrous, slamming bush for not providing funding when all the while he was the one who voted it down...please, what a joke.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
You all love glossing over the TRUTH. Kerry wanted Bush to restore some of the tax cuts before he would vote for the $87 billion authorization bill. Kerry was exhibiting fiscal responsibility.

Bush's FY2005 budget is looking at an approximately $500 billion deficit!!

Glossing over the TRUTH?? please, Kerry is so full of Bull$hit it isn't even funny...here he is calling Bush out on not supplying armor which troops needed yet Kerry is one of the ones who voted down the bill to provide the funding!! fiscal responsibility my ass...

also if you want to talk about fund accounting then why not look at Kerry's medical plan which makes no sense whatsoever...

More proof that Kerry is a waffler and this is absolutely ludicrous, slamming bush for not providing funding when all the while he was the one who voted it down...please, what a joke.

Ask yourself this, bozack. Why did Kerry vote for initial versions of the bill but not the final version? Come back when you've found out the truth so I can watch you eat your words.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242


If you want a President who lost nearly 3million jobs (worst since Herbert Hoover)
Worst medicare/healthcare system to date
Tax cuts for the wealthy
Gets a nation into war over his own personal agenda
and don't forget the man has an IQ of 91
Then be an idiot, Vote Bush

Sometimes I wonder truly how naieve people can be, then I read a post like this and I realize that we are in a dismal state....

Exactly how did Bush manage to lose 3 million jobs all on his own in only four years? he was the sole responsibility for those jobs going away? truly if you think this then you are pysychotic and have no concept of reality.

With re. to Medicare, look at what Kerry proposes, realize that it will cost Americans a fortune in increased Taxes and expenses...do you think moving to a European system where over 50% of your income is stripped of you is worth healthcare for those who do not work or cannot afford it? ahh socialism.

and with re. to the War, how are you so certain that it was over his own agenda? so what Klinton did in afganastan was good for the country?? honestly if the media wasn't so negative about this action would you still feel the same way?

seems like all the idiots here are voting for Kerry.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur

Ask yourself this, bozack. Why did Kerry vote for initial versions of the bill but not the final version? Come back when you've found out the truth so I can watch you eat your words.

Who cares? fact is the one that could have passed and provided the funding needed Kerry voted down...eat my words? lol never.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur

Ask yourself this, bozack. Why did Kerry vote for initial versions of the bill but not the final version? Come back when you've found out the truth so I can watch you eat your words.

Who cares? fact is the one that could have passed and provided the funding needed Kerry voted down...eat my words? lol never.

"Who cares?"

Yeah...who cares about the truth. Typical response from someone who knows they are wrong.

Come on, bozack. Afraid of the truth??


Besides, it was a supplemental appropriations bill. Soldiers should have been from the outset with the equipment and resources they needed. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are failures.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
Typical response from someone who knows they are wrong.

Come on, bozack. Afraid of the truth??

Besides, it was a supplemental appropriations bill. Soldiers should have been from the outset with the equipment and resources they needed. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are failures.

THE TRUTH is that when the bill seemed likely to pass KERRY VOTED IT DOWN and now that weaseling pinko bastage is trying to spin a lack of funding on Bush, also had it not been for the budget cuts of Heir Klinton the military might have had the appropriate funding/gear from the outset....

Kerry is a joke, hopefully the American Public will realize that Jean Forbeu Kerrie's euorpean flare style goverment really isn't what is best for the nation....go NADER!

 

[KK]

Here's what Kerry voted down.

Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Security and Reconstruction Act, 2004 - Makes emergency supplemental appropriations for FY 2004 for military and foreign affairs operations concerning Iraq and Afghanistan, including for Iraqi relief and reconstruction.

Title I: National Security - Chapter 1: Department of Defense - Makes appropriations for the Department of Defense (DOD) for: (1) military personnel; (2) operation and maintenance (O&M); (3) overseas humanitarian, disaster, and civic aid; (4) the Iraq Freedom Fund; (5) procurement; (6) research, development, test and evaluation; (7) the Working Capital Fund and the National Defense Sealift Fund; (8) the Defense Health Program; (9) drug interdiction and counter-drug activities related to Afghanistan; and (10) the Intelligence Community Management Account.

Chapter 2: Military Construction - Makes appropriations for military construction for the Army and Air Force.

Chapter 3: General Provisions, This Title - (Sec. 301) Amends the Afghanistan Freedom Support Act of 2002 to increase from $300 million to $450 million the aggregate value of authorized assistance to the Government of Afghanistan and eligible foreign countries and international organizations to direct the drawdown of defense articles and services and military education and training.

(Sec. 306) Increases during FY 2004 the: (1) rates of hostile fire or imminent danger special pay; and (2) family separation allowance for military personnel.

(Sec. 308) Requires a report from the Secretary of Defense to the congressional appropriations committees on progress in sending quarterly classified reports required under the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2004.

(Sec. 310) Allows DOD O&M funds to be used to: (1) provide logistical support to coalition forces supporting military and stability operations in Iraq; and (2) enhance the capability of the New Iraqi Army and Afghan National Army to combat terrorism and support U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Sec. 312) Requires a report from the Secretary on the military readiness implications of the participation of U.S. ground combat forces in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

(Sec. 313) Exempts from the payment of subsistence charges while being hospitalized in a military medical facility an officer, former officer, an enlisted member, or former enlisted member who is hospitalized because of an injury or disease incurred: (1) as a direct result of armed conflict; (2) while engaged in hazardous service; (3) in the performance of duty under conditions simulating war; or (4) through an instrumentality of war.

(Sec. 314) Authorizes the Secretary to transfer up to $150 million of funds appropriated to the contingency construction account to carry out military construction projects not otherwise authorized by law, after notifying the appropriate congressional committees that the transfer is necessary to respond to, or protect against, acts or threatened acts of terrorism or to support DOD operations in Iraq.

(Sec. 315) Expresses the sense of the Senate recognizing and commending: (1) members of the U.S. armed forces and the allies of the United States and their ground forces who participated in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and Operation Iraqi Freedom in Iraq; and (2) the military families, employers, defense civilians and contractors, and communities and patriotic organizations that lent their support to the armed forces during such Operations.

(Sec. 316) Makes funds from the Iraq Freedom Fund available to reimburse military personnel for costs of air fare incurred for travel within the United States in FY 2003 or 2004 while the member is on rest and recuperation leave from deployment overseas in support of Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom, but only for one round trip by air between two locations within the United States. Expresses the sense of Congress that the commercial airline industry should charge such members and their families specially discounted, lowest available air fares for travel in connection with such leave, and that any restrictions and limitations imposed in connection with such fares should be minimal.

(Sec. 317) Allows the administering Secretaries, at any time after notifying members of the Ready Reserve that they are to be called or ordered to active duty, to provide to each such member any medical and dental screening and care necessary to meet applicable standards for deployment. Requires the Secretary concerned to promptly notify such members of their eligibility for such screening and care. Terminates such authority on September 30, 2004.

(Sec. 318) Makes each member of the Selected Reserve and Individual Ready Reserve who is placed in a mobilization category (subject to being ordered to active duty involuntarily) eligible to enroll in TRICARE and receive benefits for any period that such member: (1) is an eligible unemployment compensation recipient; or (2) is not eligible for health-care benefits under an employer-sponsored health benefits plan. Allows either self alone or self and family TRICARE coverage. Directs the Secretary to: (1) provide for at least one open enrollment period each year; and (2) charge appropriate premiums for such coverage. Prohibits a member from enrolling in the TRICARE program while entitled to DOD transitional health care.

(Sec. 319) Authorizes the Secretary concerned to pay the applicable premium to continue in force any qualified health plan coverage for a reserve member (and his or her dependents) while the member is serving on active duty pursuant to a call or order issued during a war or national emergency declared by the President or Congress. Limits DOD premium payment amounts and provides a conditional coverage period. Requires the continuation of COBRA coverage during such period. Prohibits simultaneous coverage under both the qualified health plan and TRICARE.

(Sec. 320) Sets forth conditions under which a member of the reserves who is issued a delayed-effective-date active duty order shall be treated as being on active duty for more than 30 days and therefore eligible for medical and dental care for active-duty personnel. Terminates such authority at the end of FY 2004.

(Sec. 321) Revises transitional health care benefits authorized for members separated from active duty for specified periods (with higher authorized separation periods for those with higher periods of total active-duty service).

(Sec. 322) Earmarks specified Iraq Freedom Fund amounts for the procurement of additional Up-Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles. Directs the Secretary of the Army to reevaluate requirements and options for armored security vehicles.

(Sec. 323) Earmarks specified Army O&M funds for operating expenses of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). Requires the Office of Inspector General of the CPA to be established within 30 days after enactment of this Act.

(Sec. 324) Requires a monthly report from the President or his designee to Congress detailing: (1) the areas of Iraq determined to be largely secure and stable; and (2) the extent to which U.S. troops have been replaced in such areas by non-U.S. coalition forces, United Nations forces, or Iraqi forces.

(Sec. 325) Expresses the sense of Congress that: (1) any U.S. citizen who was a prisoner of war or who was used by the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq as a so-called human shield during the First Gulf War (Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm) should have the opportunity to have any claim for damages caused by Saddam Hussein and Iraq fully adjudicated in the appropriate U.S. district court; (2) any judgment obtained therefrom should be fully enforced; and (3) the Attorney General should enter into negotiations with each such citizen or his or her family to develop a method of providing compensation for such damages, including the use of seized assets of the Hussein regime.

(Sec. 326) Directs: (1) the Secretary to report to the defense committees on the utilization of the National Guard and reserves in support of contingency operations during FY 2004; and (2) the Secretary of Homeland Security to report to Congress on the effects of the deployments of the National Guard and reserves on law enforcement and homeland security in the United States.

(Sec. 327) Requires quarterly reports, through FY 2004, from the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence for Strategy and Iraq to the intelligence committees and specified defense subcommittees on the status of efforts of the Iraq Survey Group to account for the programs of Iraq on weapons of mass destruction and related delivery systems.

(Sec. 328) Provides for the determination of the initial deployment date for members called or ordered to active duty and deployed outside the United States.

(Sec. 329) Earmarks specified funds appropriated under this title for the Family Readiness Program of the National Guard.

(Sec. 330) Requires a report from the Secretary to the defense and appropriations committees on Navy plans for basing aircraft carriers through 2020.

(Sec. 331) Authorizes an additional 10,000 Army personnel as of September 30, 2004, to be trained in, and to perform, constabulary duty in such specialties as military police, light infantry, civil affairs, and special forces. Earmarks funds from the Iraq Freedom Fund for the additional personnel costs.

(Sec. 332) - Reservists Pay Security Act of 2003 - Entitles a person who is absent from his or her position of Federal employment in order to perform active duty under a call or order to active duty to receive from his or her agency an amount that, when added to the pay and allowances for such service, equals the basic pay which would have been payable to such employee for the period of service for which such employee is not otherwise compensated. Requires the application of Federal reemployment rights for such individuals. Terminates such authority at the end of FY 2004.

(Sec. 333) Expresses the sense of the Senate that the Secretary should, on an expedited basis, issue necessary regulations to implement the award of the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal (based on deployment abroad for 30 days or more in support of Global War on Terrorism operations on or after September 11, 2001) and to ensure that any person who renders qualifying service with the armed forces, including Operations Iraqi Freedom, Enduring Freedom, and Noble Eagle, promptly receives such award.

(Sec. 334) Places at 90 percent the Federal share of the cost of any disaster relief payment made under the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act for damage caused by Hurricane Isabel.

(Sec. 335) Earmarks specified funds appropriated by this Act for repair and replacement of DOD and National Aeronautics and Space Administration infrastructure damaged or destroyed by Hurricane Isabel, related flooding, or other related natural forces.

Title II: International Affairs - Chapter 1: Department of State - Makes appropriations for the Department of State for: (1) the administration of foreign affairs; (2) emergencies in the Diplomatic and Consular Service; (3) international narcotics control and law enforcement; and (4) nonproliferation, anti-terrorism, demining, and related programs.

Chapter 2: Bilateral Economic Assistance - Makes appropriations for the Iraqi Relief and Reconstruction Fund for security, rehabilitation, and reconstruction in Iraq.

Makes appropriations for: (1) the United States Agency for International Development, including for the Capital Investment Fund ; (2) the Economic Support Fund; (3) the U.S. Emergency Fund for Complex Foreign Crises; (4) the Foreign Military Financing Program; and (5) peacekeeping operations to support the global war on terrorism.

Chapter 3: General Provisions, This Title - (Sec. 2304) Amends the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003 to extend through FY 2005 the authority of the President to: (1) suspend the application of any provision of the Iraq Sanctions Act of 1990; and (2) export to Iraq, under certain circumstances, lethal military equipment designated by the Secretary of State for use by a reconstituted (or interim) Iraqi military or private security force, other official Iraqi security forces or police forces, or forces from other countries in Iraq that support U.S. efforts there.

(Sec. 2306) Extends through FY 2004 an exemption with respect to Pakistan on the prohibition of direct assistance to a country whose duly elected head of government was deposed by decree or military coup.

(Sec. 2309) Requires monthly reports from the CPA on Iraqi oil production and revenues.

(Sec. 2310) Requires quarterly reports from the CPA Administrator to the appropriations and defense committees on all obligations, expenditures, and revenues associated with reconstruction, rehabilitation, and security activities in Iraq during the preceding 90 days. Directs the Comptroller General (CG) to conduct an ongoing audit of the CPA, and authorizes the CG to conduct additional investigations as appropriate, to evaluate such activities. Requires a report from the CG to the appropriations committees on all audit and investigation results.

(Sec. 2311) Prohibits the use of available funds from this Act or the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003 for paying any costs associated with debts incurred by the former government of Saddam Hussein.

(Sec. 2312) Amends the Afghanistan Freedom Support Act of 2002 to require the Secretary of State to submit to specified committees reports on progress made in accomplishing the "Purposes of Assistance" set forth under such Act with respect to assistance provided for Afghanistan.

(Sec. 2313) Provides criminal penalties for war profiteering or fraud committed against the United States or Iraq in connection with military action, relief, and reconstruction efforts in Iraq.

(Sec. 2314) Requires a report from the President to Congress on U.S. efforts to increase the resources contributed by foreign countries and international organizations to the reconstruction of Iraq and the feasibility of repayment by Iraq of funds contributed for infrastructure projects.

(Sec. 2315) Directs the Secretary to certify to Congress the amount that Iraq will pay, or that will be paid on its behalf, during FY 2004 to a foreign country to service a debt incurred by Iraq during the regime of Saddam Hussein. Requires the Director of the Office of Management and Budget to reserve, out of certain unobligated funds appropriated under this Act, the amount so certified. Expresses the sense of Congress that each country that is owed such a debt by Iraq should forgive it.

(Sec. 2316) Expresses the sense of Congress that: (1) arbitrary deadlines should not be set for the dissolution of the CPA or the transfer of its authority to an Iraqi governing authority; and (2) no such dissolution or transfer should occur until the ratification of an Iraqi constitution and the establishment of an elected Iraqi government.

(Sec. 2317) Directs the CG to: (1) review the effectiveness of relief and reconstruction activities conducted by the CPA with the use of funds made available from the Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund (IRR Fund); and (2) report quarterly to specified congressional committees on review results.

(Sec. 2318) Prohibits funds under this Act from being obligated or expended for arming, training, or employing individuals under 18 years of age for the Facilities Protection Service or any other security force.

(Sec. 2319) Earmarks specified funds from the IRR Fund for: (1) rebuilding Iraq's security services; (2) Iraq purposes other than security; and (3) loans for Iraqi security, rehabilitation, and reconstruction (as long as the President certifies to Congress that at least 90 percent of the bilateral debt incurred by the regime of Saddam Hussein has been forgiven by the countries owed such debt). Directs the President to notify Congress if, out of the first two amounts earmarked, more than $250 million is used for any single purpose in Iraq. Requires the head of the CPA to ensure that amounts appropriated under the IRR Fund are expended for appropriate purposes and in a manner that the head of CPA does not find objectionable. Expresses the sense of Congress that each country owed a bilateral debt by Iraq that was incurred by the regime of Saddam Hussein should: (1) forgive such debt; and (2) provide robust amounts of reconstruction aid to Iraq during the conference of donors scheduled to begin on October 23, 2003, in Madrid, Spain, and during other conferences of donors of foreign aid.

(Sec. 2320) Expresses the sense of Congress that the President should: (1) make every effort to increase the level of financial commitment from other nations to improve the physical, political, economic, and social infrastructure of Iraq; and (2) seek to provide aid from the United States to Iraq in a manner that promotes economic growth in Iraq and limits the long-term cost to U.S. taxpayers.

(Sec. 2321) Directs the President to report to Congress every 60 days on U.S. strategy related to post-conflict security, humanitarian assistance, governance, and reconstruction undertaken as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

(Sec. 2322) Requires activities carried out by the United States with respect to: (1) the civilian governance of Afghanistan to include advice from women's organizations, promote inclusion of women in future legislative bodiesand encourage the appointment of women to high-level positions; (2) post-conflict stability in those countries to include partnerships with Afghan and Iraqi organizations, access of women to and ownership by women of productive assets, financial assistance for education for women and girls, and education and training programs for former combatants; and (3) training for military and police forces in those countries to include training on the protection, rights, and particular needs of women.

Title III: Leave for Military Families - Military Families Leave Act of 2003 - (Sec. 3002) Amends: (1) the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 to entitle an eligible employee to 12 work weeks of leave during any 12-month period because a spouse, son, daughter, or parent of the employee is a member of the armed forces who either is on active duty in support of a contingency operation or has been notified of an impending call or order to such status. Allows such leave only for issues relating to or resulting from such family member's military duty; and (2) Federal law to grant such leave, under the same conditions, to civil service employees.

Title IV: Department of Veterans Affairs - Makes appropriations for medical care and related activities of the Veterans Health Administration of the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Title V: General Provisions, This Act - (Sec. 5001) Directs the President to submit quarterly reports to each Member of Congress on the projected total costs of U.S. operations in Iraq, including military operations and reconstruction efforts, through FY 2008.

(Sec. 5002)Designates each amount provided in this Act as an emergency requirement pursuant to emergency legislation provisions of the congressional budget resolution for FY 2004 (H.Con.Res. 95).

(Sec. 5003) Prohibits the obligation or expenditure of funds appropriated by this Act by the head of an executive agency for payments under certain contracts or agreements relating to Iraq that are not entered into under full and open competition, unless within 30 days after entering into such a contract or agreement, such official: (1) reports the contract or agreement to specified congressional committees; and (2) publishes such report in the Federal Register and Commerce Business Daily. Makes such requirement applicable to any contract or agreement in excess of $1 million entered into with any public or private sector entity to: (1) build or rebuild physical infrastructure of Iraq; (2) establish or reestablish a political or societal institution of Iraq; (3) provide products or services to the people of Iraq; or (4) perform personnel support services in Iraq. Provides an exception with respect to classified information. Authorizes the Secretary or the Director of Central Intelligence to waive such requirement on a case-by-case basis in the interests of national security (requiring notice and justification to such committees).

(Sec. 5004) Expresses the sense of Congress that the removal of the Government of Iraq under Saddam Hussein enhanced the security of Israel and other U.S. allies.

(Sec. 5005) Directs the CG to conduct studies on the effectiveness and efficiency of contracts in excess of $40 million performed or to be performed in or relating to Iraq and paid from funds made available in this Act or the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003, with a special emphasis on profits, overhead, management fees, and related expenditures. Requires two reports to the appropriations committees evaluating such studies and recommending improvements of such contracting process.

(Sec. 5006) Provides that any U.S. citizen held hostage during the period between 1979 and 1981, and their spouses and children at the time, shall have a claim for money damages against a foreign state for personal injury caused by such state's act of torture or hostage taking. Abrogates any conflicting provisions, including those under the Algiers Accord.

(Sec. 5007) Expresses the sense of the Senate that all countries that hold debt from loans to the former Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein should be urged to forgive such debt.

(Sec. 5008) Mandates that when countermeasures against the threat of shoulder-fired missiles are deployed, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretaries of Defense and Transportation, shall make it a priority to so equip aircraft enrolled in the Civil Reserve Air Fleet.

Someone point out the bad parts of this to me.

KK

 

[CaptnKirk]

the budget cuts of Heir Klinton the military might have had the appropriate funding/gear from the outset....

How do you figure that the cuts were 'Klintons Kuts' ?

Republican House and Senate wrote and passed those cuts, Clinton only signed off on
them, since the House and Senate under the GOP would have tried to over ride any veto.
Remember that part ?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: KK
Here's what Kerry voted down.

Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Security and Reconstruction Act, 2004 - Makes emergency supplemental appropriations for FY 2004 for military and foreign affairs operations concerning Iraq and Afghanistan, including for Iraqi relief and reconstruction.
...
(Sec. 5008) Mandates that when countermeasures against the threat of shoulder-fired missiles are deployed, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretaries of Defense and Transportation, shall make it a priority to so equip aircraft enrolled in the Civil Reserve Air Fleet.

Someone point out the bad parts of this to me.

KK

~but ~but ~but he was just trying to be "fiscally responsible"

What a joke. There is no reason he voted against it except partisan politics. He was running a nomination campaign in which the other leading dwarves were rabid anti-war yappers - and he had to do what they were doing by trying to be anti-war.
Too bad he thinks he can have it both ways and then still has the nerve to target Bush on the armor issue HE VOTED AGAINST IT Whoever doesn't see that really needs to be examined by a professional

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

"Cheney makes Kerry look like a fool"

All Career Politicians are Fools, talk about Kettle calling Pot Black

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
Typical response from someone who knows they are wrong.

Come on, bozack. Afraid of the truth??

Besides, it was a supplemental appropriations bill. Soldiers should have been from the outset with the equipment and resources they needed. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are failures.

THE TRUTH is that when the bill seemed likely to pass KERRY VOTED IT DOWN and now that weaseling pinko bastage is trying to spin a lack of funding on Bush, also had it not been for the budget cuts of Heir Klinton the military might have had the appropriate funding/gear from the outset....

Kerry is a joke, hopefully the American Public will realize that Jean Forbeu Kerrie's euorpean flare style goverment really isn't what is best for the nation....go NADER!

And, again, bozack manages to deftly avoid yet another question!!

Ok, bozack, since you don't want to answer I'll answer for you.

Kerry wanted Bush to rescind some of the tax cuts to help pay for this supplemental appropriations bill in order to keep the federal budget deficit from soaring.

That's called, yep, you guessed it, fiscal responsibility.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Kerry voted on whatever bill was persented, sometimes it was for - if there was merit,
and sometimes against if it was loaded up with partisan bullshit and pork.
Rightly so. Bush dosen't even vote on anything,
Cheney only votes in tiebrealers to preserve the partisan line.

Now if they want to make an issue of Kerry's voting record, anyone with half a brain
can read the entire bill and see what was really there. I no longe feel that there is
any credibility in the Bush Administration ass they have yet to present any truthful facts.
Their method is lies, deceit, paranoia, and appease a small and dwindling party base.

What you don't seem to get through your skulls is that I am a lifelong Republican,
I was in the Military, and I understand how this country is SUPPOSED to work.
It's not working, as the GOP has changed what they stand for and I will not
support their current narrowminded extreme right agenda. It's wrong.
It's a death sentance for our country and democracy in the eyes of the world.

dwindling party base? wtf?? fyi, republicans control the presidency and congress.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur


And, again, bozack manages to deftly avoid yet another question!!

Ok, bozack, since you don't want to answer I'll answer for you.

Kerry wanted Bush to rescind some of the tax cuts to help pay for this supplemental appropriations bill in order to keep the federal budget deficit from soaring.

That's called, yep, you guessed it, fiscal responsibility.

Conjur, how did I manage to avoid the question...like I said, who cares when he supported it before, the fact is when it had a real chance of passing he voted against.....

He was only willing to vote for the bill if some of his agenda was supported with re. to tax cuts...

pretty hypocritcal (concerning ones self with fiscal responsibility) considering his proposed healthcare plan and the enormous costs associated with it.

I always have to remind myself who the liberal nutjobs are on this forum...

 

[conjur]

Not hypocritical at all.

And, yes, you did avoid the question. I posted the answer for you. That was why Kerry voted against the final version of the bill.

Look at where we're at for FY2004. The budget deficit is predicted to be >$500 billion!!!! For ONE year alone!! :Q :Q

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Kerry voted on whatever bill was persented, sometimes it was for - if there was merit,
and sometimes against if it was loaded up with partisan bullshit and pork.
Rightly so. Bush dosen't even vote on anything,
Cheney only votes in tiebrealers to preserve the partisan line.

Now if they want to make an issue of Kerry's voting record, anyone with half a brain
can read the entire bill and see what was really there. I no longe feel that there is
any credibility in the Bush Administration ass they have yet to present any truthful facts.
Their method is lies, deceit, paranoia, and appease a small and dwindling party base.

What you don't seem to get through your skulls is that I am a lifelong Republican,
I was in the Military, and I understand how this country is SUPPOSED to work.
It's not working, as the GOP has changed what they stand for and I will not
support their current narrowminded extreme right agenda. It's wrong.
It's a death sentance for our country and democracy in the eyes of the world.

dwindling party base? wtf?? fyi, republicans control the presidency and congress.

And its the Pandering to the Religious Fanatical Fundamental christian Right which will Lose republicans Their support they have now Taken for granted. The conservative Movement of the 90's is no more. the So-called conservatives have shown that once they are given Full Power, they are anything BUT conservative.

Bigger Federal Government, Foreign Wars and Police actions, Rising Deficits, Croynism and Buerocratic Waste, Nanny-State Policies, etc.

I thought these were Tenants of Liberalism and Communism.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I guess I missed this the first time I read it. I just listened to the speech again and realized this was talked about

"In January he was asked on TV if he was 'one of the anti-war candidates.' He replied, 'I am.' He now says he was voting only to 'threaten the use of force, not actually use force,'" Cheney said.

Right...~but ~but ~but "I didn't actually think voting to use force meant that we actually would use force - I just though we would scare them" What a tool. And people want this guy leading the country? Ridiculous.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
Not hypocritical at all.

And, yes, you did avoid the question. I posted the answer for you. That was why Kerry voted against the final version of the bill.

Look at where we're at for FY2004. The budget deficit is predicted to be >$500 billion!!!! For ONE year alone!! :Q :Q

Do you honestly feel that if the provisions Kerry had mandated were passed he would have voted for the bill??

First his reasoning for voting against it was because:

Kerry said he voted against the bill to force the president "finally to develop a real plan that secures the safety of our troops and stabilizes Iraq."

Now you are telling me it was because of fiscal responsability? which is it?

his ammendment was nothing more than a political power play, and I would be willing to bet even if they agreed to it he still would have voted it down because of the administration pushing the bill.

"Nevertheless, the bill Kerry opposed did contain $300 million requested by the Pentagon to buy best-grade body armor for all troops in Iraq, and also contained additional combat pay and health benefits for reservists called to active duty."

IMHO screw your political agenda, if we have troops over there that need this armor now vote for the bill!, Kerry obviously felt that his career/agenda were a little more important.

 

[conjur]

Kerry had proposed an amendment that would have fit his liking re:the rescinding of the tax cuts.

Bush and the Republicans, however, felt it would be political suicide to do so in order to pay for the war.

The funding and equipment should have been available when the first troops hit the ground. Not some time afterward. Bush f-ed up....big.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry had proposed an amendment that would have fit his liking re:the rescinding of the tax cuts.

Bush and the Republicans, however, felt it would be political suicide to do so in order to pay for the war.

The funding and equipment should have been available when the first troops hit the ground. Not some time afterward. Bush f-ed up....big.

and it would have been if the loonie libs like youself didn't keep vetoing military budgets....

Dance puppet Dance!

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242


If you want a President who lost nearly 3million jobs (worst since Herbert Hoover)
Worst medicare/healthcare system to date
Tax cuts for the wealthy
Gets a nation into war over his own personal agenda
and don't forget the man has an IQ of 91
Then be an idiot, Vote Bush

Sometimes I wonder truly how naieve people can be, then I read a post like this and I realize that we are in a dismal state....

Exactly how did Bush manage to lose 3 million jobs all on his own in only four years? he was the sole responsibility for those jobs going away? truly if you think this then you are pysychotic and have no concept of reality.

With re. to Medicare, look at what Kerry proposes, realize that it will cost Americans a fortune in increased Taxes and expenses...do you think moving to a European system where over 50% of your income is stripped of you is worth healthcare for those who do not work or cannot afford it? ahh socialism.

and with re. to the War, how are you so certain that it was over his own agenda? so what Klinton did in afganastan was good for the country?? honestly if the media wasn't so negative about this action would you still feel the same way?

seems like all the idiots here are voting for Kerry.

Many things he has down to lose these jobs are:
Encourages outsourcing of jobs oversea's, he actually thinks its good for America
He cuts funding for Firefighters and Policeman so they have less equipment to work with, and a lower budget; therefore they must lay people off.
GWB lowers the budget for education therefore they must also layoff teachers, instead of hiring more.

Reason I think this is on his own agenda is because of many things he has said himself.

Saddam went after his father, therefore he must exact revenge on him.
He fabricates a lie, or evidence to further his cause and invade Iraq, you don't believe me read Paul O'Neils book. In that book he explains to the reader that GWB started planning this Iraq war ten days after he was sworn into office. The former Secretary of Treasury was fired because he disagreed with Bush about this and many things.
Even though we didnt find any WMD's (He intentionally lied to us) it's still ok we ignore the U.N., its still ok we have a pre-emptive doctrine, because might makes right, right?. No thats exactly what the Nazi's thought therefore he is a Nazi. Just because their an oppressed people does not give us the right to go in their country and bomb it to hell.
Few other points if I may; If GWB thinks this whole war was ok because we freed a people then why don't we free Libya, Iran, North Korea; Chechnya is under oppression by the Russian's, oh I know why don't we liberate Cuba, their a mere 90miles away we could take them over in a day or so. But you see, he chose Iraq for his own specific reasons.
Even though North Korea is more of a threat Iraq ever was, even when they choose not to comply with us when we tell them to disarm.

This President excells in ignorance and arrogance, and lacks vision:
Bans Stem Cell research
Cuts Hydrogen car funding in half from 4 billion to 2 billion
I mean for crying out loud this man proposed a Constitional Ammendment against gay marriage. I am not a homosexual but it is not a place for The President to decide, Government or even the People to decide that certain people just because of sexual preference don't have the right to marry. IT IS A CIVIL RIGHT, do people honestly believe that if we went back 100 or even 70 or 60 years that decided if African Americans should have the same treatment and same rights as a white man they would win in the popular vote? Its nothing but GWB ignorance and arrogance that portrays homosexuality to be evil (sinful). I am a firm believer that if you are elected into office, being religious is all fine and dandy but you should not force your beliefs or make any decisions about something because your beliefs conflict with that decision, but we see that now with GWB.

Be an idiot, Vote Bush

If you are not an idiot, Vote Kerry.

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IQ's
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
099 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

Looks like republicans are a little short on brains bozack

 

[josphII]

i did my own 'study' and came up with the following results:

IQ's
107 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
112 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
104 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
165 Richard M. Nixon (R)
151 Gerald Ford (R)
095 James E. Carter (D)
185 Ronald Reagan (R)
159 George HW Bush (R)
120 William J. Clinton (D)
151 George W. Bush (R)

087 Al Gore
089 Kerry

199 Nader