Chemo Drugs Linked to Brain Damage..01 December, 2006

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Many drugs used in chemotherapy treatments for cancer, including cisplatin, carmustine and cytarabine, could be responsible for neurological damage, suggests new research published in the Journal of Biology.
The drugs have been linked to such side effects as reduced cognitive function, seizures and loss of brain cells.

Dr. Mark Noble and colleagues of the University of Rochester found that the drugs killed neural stem cells and compromised neural stem cell division in experiments with mice.

They also destroyed oligodendrocytes, which produce myelin insulation that is critical for sending messages throughout the nervous system.

The mice in the study continued losing brain cells as long as six weeks following administration of the chemo drugs, the team reported.

In addition to the mouse experiments, the scientists tested neural cells and cancer cells from humans.

The chemo drugs were more destructive to the neural cells than to the cancer cells, they observed.

While they killed 40 percent to 80 percent of the cancer cells, they destroyed 70 percent to 100 percent of the human brain cells.

In a separate study published in the journal Cancer, a team of researchers in Japan found that patients receiving chemotherapy for breast cancer experienced shrinkage of brain regions involved in memory and concentration. However, the effect was temporary
 

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Yeah, chemo drugs do a number on your whole body, they are pretty much just poisions designed to kill cancer cells a more than normal cells, but the fact is cancer cells are very similar to normal body cells, do its darn near impossible to kill one without killing the other. You just hope the body can heal faster than the cancer.
 

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Yeah, chemo drugs do a number on your whole body, they are pretty much just poisions designed to kill cancer cells a more than normal cells, but the fact is cancer cells are very similar to normal body cells, do its darn near impossible to kill one without killing the other. You just hope the body can heal faster than the cancer.


..family and friends that have survived chemo all complain of brain fog and memory loss. This study confirms those symptoms.
 

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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Yeah, chemo drugs do a number on your whole body, they are pretty much just poisions designed to kill cancer cells a more than normal cells, but the fact is cancer cells are very similar to normal body cells, do its darn near impossible to kill one without killing the other. You just hope the body can heal faster than the cancer.


..family and friends that have survived chemo all complain of brain fog and memory loss. This study confirms those symptoms.
Those not taking the drug don't complain. The good news is that nerve and brain cells can recover and grow back. The alternative at the moment is worse than the side effect for this drug. Good to know, but let's hope some idiot doesn't now decide to ban the drugs because of the side effects.

 
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Is this really surprising?

Chemotherapy is not something done on a whim. It is a last option to preserve life. The drugs have a horrible effect on the entire body, and those effects have been documented over and over again. I would dispute, however, that chemotherapy, as used for cancer treatment, is more destructive to neural cells than cancer cells.

I have been through chemotherapy, and it is not a fun experience. That said, I much prefer being alive to being dead.
 

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Originally posted by: bearfx
Is this really surprising?

Chemotherapy is not something done on a whim. It is a last option to preserve life. The drugs have a horrible effect on the entire body, and those effects have been documented over and over again. I would dispute, however, that chemotherapy, as used for cancer treatment, is more destructive to neural cells than cancer cells.

I have been through chemotherapy, and it is not a fun experience. That said, I much prefer being alive to being dead.

..is there anything a chemo patient can do i.e. nutritional supplement that would help with the brain fog/memory loss?? B-vitiamins or something?

 

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Isn't there a blood brain barrier that would isolate the brain much more than the cancer cells in another part of the body? Obviously this wouldn't help with brain tumors, but with all other types...
 

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Originally posted by: Seer
Isn't there a blood brain barrier that would isolate the brain much more than the cancer cells in another part of the body? Obviously this wouldn't help with brain tumors, but with all other types...

There is, and many chemotherapy drugs only get into the brain in small quantities because of it. However, many chemotherapy drugs are used for multiple tumor types, and some of those that get in are used for non-brain tumors.

Unfortunately, some particular types of cancer (e.g. certain types of leukemia) can 'hide' behind the blood-brain barrier - so, as part of treatment injection of chemotherapy drugs directly into the fluid surrounding the brain and spinal cord is necessary (usually via lumbar puncture).
 

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Originally posted by: Seer
Isn't there a blood brain barrier that would isolate the brain much more than the cancer cells in another part of the body? Obviously this wouldn't help with brain tumors, but with all other types...
Typically, the blood brain barrier allows only smaller and more hydrophobic drugs to pass. All the drugs mentioned in the paper are able to pass to some degree. Cisplatin is special however. According to the article:

Whether the less severe effects of cisplatin in this regard
were due to different drug characteristics in terms of bloodbrain
barrier permeability is not known (although, in this
regard, it should be noted that cisplatin application in vivo
may actually cause opening of this barrier.
 

Fallen Kell

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ummm... I thought everyone already knew that. We know the drugs try to target specific behavios of cells (specifically the ability of the cells to divide and grow into new cells). But they also contain drugs in the cocktail that specifically kill cells, and because these drugs flow through the blood supply, any tissue that receives blood can and will be affected (which is basically any living tissue in the body).

Some will be less damaging then others to nerve and brain tissue. (i.e. drugs that are engineered to only be able to enter cells that are in the process of mitosis as nerver tissue only in rare cases undergoes mitosis).
 

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All drugs have side effects and when one takes more than one you get even more "interesting " side effects due to interactions
I take about 9 different drugs (one of them for cancer) every day and a few others on special occasions like dental work. Unfortunately the choice of take or not is literally a do or die situation.