Chelsea Manning on Shortlist for commutation by Obama

[superstition]

Glad to see Obama do the right thing, finally.

I guess those hungering for more schadenfreude will have to look elsewhere.

 

[werepossum]

Glad to see Obama do the right thing, finally.

I guess those hungering for more schadenfreude will have to look elsewhere.

Seriously?

Don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to intentional crimes to which the criminal pled guilty as the criminal's misfortune. Yup, the newly minted Ms. Manning has a lustrous career as the left's darling. Everyone come see the victim.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why is the right outraged about this? Our president elect thinks it's a-okay for foreign governments to hack the computers of his political enemies and release their secrets. His only crime seems to be that he's not Russian.

Not just his political rivals but the official email of a former SoS.

He called out to Vlad for more ammo & got it.

Righties, of course, can't recognize their own hypocrisy in condoning that, and Assange, while calling for Manning's head on a pike.

Post-truth, baby!

 

[Jhhnn]

Seriously?

Don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to intentional crimes to which the criminal pled guilty as the criminal's misfortune. Yup, the newly minted Ms. Manning has a lustrous career as the left's darling. Everyone come see the victim.

So let's give Assange, his co-conspirator, the same sentence if we ever catch up to him.

 

[Chaotic42]

So let's give Assange, his co-conspirator, the same sentence if we ever catch up to him.

Assange, Manning, Snowden, and Patraeus should all do time.

 

[superstition]

I guess those hungering for more schadenfreude will have to look elsewhere.

Seriously?

Don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to intentional crimes to which the criminal pled guilty as the criminal's misfortune. Yup, the newly minted Ms. Manning has a lustrous career as the left's darling. Everyone come see the victim.

I guess those hungering for more schadenfreude will have to look elsewhere.

Or not.

Looks like some have seen that there isn't much to be mined anymore though:

Chelsea Manning’s release puts Donald Trump and "conservative" media in a bind

For most of the past seven years, Chelsea Manning has been a tailor-made villain for the conservative media. Her disclosure of secret diplomatic and military documents to WikiLeaks allowed folks such as Sean Hannity to do two of their favorite things: remind everyone of how ferociously they support the military and to blame President Obama for something at or beyond the limits of his control.

On his Fox News show in 2010, Hannity declared that Manning “needs to be held accountable” for putting “our brave men and women in the military overseas in danger,” and he wondered: “Why can't Obama do something about the WikiLeaks?”

Now, though, things are more complicated. Obama commuted Manning's 35-year sentence Tuesday, which in an orderly universe would have triggered a fresh round of outrage at the president, WikiLeaks and the former Army private, who is transgender and served as Bradley Manning. To be sure, there has been some outrage on the right.

But the twist is that many in the conservative media have been singing a different tune about WikiLeaks ever since the site published hacked emails that reflected poorly on Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party — and especially since WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Hannity in an interview this month that Russia did not supply the emails, bolstering President-elect Donald Trump's assertion that he did not receive any significant help from the Kremlin during the election.

Hannity, for one, already has had to try to come up with an explanation for his flip-flop on WikiLeaks. Can he really go back to a hard line against Manning after cozying up to Assange a few weeks ago? Apparently not. Hannity barely mentioned Manning's commutation on his program Tuesday night. When he did, it was in neutral terms. Ingraham has also declined to attack Manning or WikiLeaks.

Breitbart News played Obama's decision to release Manning about as straightforward as can be. The site has previously referred to Manning as a “traitorous transsexual,” but it used no such language this time.

And Trump, who has an opinion about everything, has remained silent on Manning's commutation. He once suggested Assange should be murdered for publishing the kind of information supplied by Manning but has eagerly embraced Assange's claim that Russia did not provide Democrats' emails to WikiLeaks — while questioning U.S. intelligence agencies that think Russia was involved.

On Fox News earlier this month, a candidly self-aware Greg Gutfeld joked about conservatives' inconsistencies.

“I have advice to Chelsea Manning: Start bashing Obama,” Gutfeld, a Fox News host, said. “The Republicans are going to love you. ... She should actually — she should say that she believes that Donald Trump is doing the right thing, and then all of a sudden we'll love Chelsea Manning just the way we now love Assange.”

Had Manning taken Gutfeld's tip to heart, perhaps she would not have had her prison sentence shortened. But Gutfeld's point about "conservative" hypocrisy still stands.

 

[werepossum]

Good thing that hypocrisy is a one-way street. Otherwise the left might have a difficult time explaining why exposing three quarters of a million military and goverment classified documents is actually a good thing but exposing the Democratic National Committee conspiring to fix the Democrat primary is an act of war.

 

[K1052]

Assange, Manning, Snowden, and Patraeus should all do time.

Patraeus almost did time...in Trump's cabinet.

 

[Blackjack200]

Good thing that hypocrisy is a one-way street. Otherwise the left might have a difficult time explaining why exposing three quarters of a million military and goverment classified documents is actually a good thing but exposing the Democratic National Committee conspiring to fix the Democrat primary is an act of war.

I'm not a Russia hawk, but leaking documents to expose wrongdoing or corruption is not the same thing as leaking documents to provide a political advantage.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not a Russia hawk, but leaking documents to expose wrongdoing or corruption is not the same thing as leaking documents to provide a political advantage.

In general I agree, but in this case the political advantage came from exposing wrongdoing and corruption.

 

[Sonikku]

I just wish the political advantage could have been neutralized by wrongdoing and corruption being exposed on both sides. Does anyone think Trump's dealings have been squeaky clean? Would like a candid insight into both.

 

[Jhhnn]

Good thing that hypocrisy is a one-way street. Otherwise the left might have a difficult time explaining why exposing three quarters of a million military and goverment classified documents is actually a good thing but exposing the Democratic National Committee conspiring to fix the Democrat primary is an act of war.

Don't lie. Nobody has offered that Manning's actions or those of Assange were a good thing.

Well, other than Righties dancing with glee when Assange acts in their interests with the help of the Russian Oligarchy. That's when things get different. That's what makes Assange a hero just one notch below our soon to be Great Leader.

 

[chucky2]

LOL, The Russians!!! O Intellectuals...lulz...

 

[Jhhnn]

I just wish the political advantage could have been neutralized by wrongdoing and corruption being exposed on both sides. Does anyone think Trump's dealings have been squeaky clean? Would like a candid insight into both.

Please. Trump wears corruption on his sleeve. His devotees actually celebrate it. They can't see him, just the pictures he paints. The double standard is profound.

 

[Blackjack200]

I just wish the political advantage could have been neutralized by wrongdoing and corruption being exposed on both sides. Does anyone think Trump's dealings have been squeaky clean? Would like a candid insight into both.

There was nothing in those emails that amounted to a hill of beans. They were damaging because of the narrative that surrounded them. I say that as someone who has a far more negative view of Clinton than I did before the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

There was nothing in those emails that amounted to a hill of beans. They were damaging because of the narrative that surrounded them. I say that as someone who has a far more negative view of Clinton than I did before the election.

As Cardinal Richelieu offered long ago-

If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.

 

[mikeymikec]

Does anyone think Trump's dealings have been squeaky clean?

The "he's not a saint" defence irritates me, as it commonly gets used in a way that suggests that most people are as shady and creepy as he is.

I don't think anyone expects a candidate for the premiership of a developed country to be saintly. I think what people hope for is an honest pragmatist who knows full well that they can't please everyone all the time, but someone who tries to fairly distribute the gains and pains of the country across the populace during the course of their premiership, and who seeks justice against those who try to screw over that society.

Someone who is truly saintly would probably destroy themselves in such a role, obsessing over trying to achieve perfection in one instance (which is probably a no-win scenario) when they need to be handling several satisfactorily at that moment.

 

[pcgeek11]

I'm not a Russia hawk, but leaking documents to expose wrongdoing or corruption is not the same thing as leaking documents to provide a political advantage.

Manning did neither of those. He did it just because he was an angry little POS.

 

[pcgeek11]

Don't lie. Nobody has offered that Manning's actions or those of Assange were a good thing.

Well, other than Righties dancing with glee when Assange acts in their interests with the help of the Russian Oligarchy. That's when things get different. That's what makes Assange a hero just one notch below our soon to be Great Leader.

I am a conservative and think Assange should be arrested and jailed. Right along with Manning, Bergdahl and Snowdon.

 

[highland145]

Manning is getting a pass because it has decided it doesn't know what it is and the LGBT community has backed it along with Obama. None of this is a question or is the problem. Manning got people killed by the Taliban. "Compassion" for Manning is just about as stupid as giving a free pass to Hayes and Komisarjevsky.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I do not care for the attention whoring bullshit of a gender change... Because that's clearly all that was for. That isn't even something questionable. I mean, that describes 99% of gender changes in general "I want attention, I'm not getting enough! Maybe if I change genders it will get me more!". Bruce Jenner, etc.. etc...

That said, this person was an equivalency of a whistle-blower in my mind. Not the best whistle-blower - because sending it to wikileaks isn't exactly the best place to send it... But whatever, I don't find any of these actions to be criminal actions. He/She/It shouldn't have been charged in the first place, let alone sitting in prison for 25 years or whatever her sentence was.

I was this as a conservative that believes in our rights to free speech, as well as being able to call others out on their bullshit without having to fear for backlash.

Snowden did the ideal way of releasing the information, if anyone deserves to be free and not be prosecuted - it should definitely be him over Manning. So this is rather sad and pathetic that you would free Manning but not Snowden.... Just shows the Liberal politically correct bullshit LBGTWTFBBQ+-! agenda is all about.

 

[highland145]

@s0me0nesmind1 That fuck got people dead by it's actions. 35 years is pretty light.

 

[werepossum]

I just wish the political advantage could have been neutralized by wrongdoing and corruption being exposed on both sides. Does anyone think Trump's dealings have been squeaky clean? Would like a candid insight into both.

Bingo. If the left could get their buds the ChiComms to do the same to the RNC, the swamp might actually get drained a bit in spite of both parties preferring ruling the swamp to draining it.

 

[werepossum]

There was nothing in those emails that amounted to a hill of beans. They were damaging because of the narrative that surrounded them. I say that as someone who has a far more negative view of Clinton than I did before the election.

What came out during the election that was atypical to or worse than what was commonly known about Hillary before?

 

[highland145]

Bingo. If the left could get their buds the ChiComms to do the same to the RNC, the swamp might actually get drained a bit in spite of both parties preferring ruling the swamp to draining it.

Have to get them to use gmail as their secure servers 1st.