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[Mark]

Hello drblood21,
You have recently requested your transcript of the game number 1261486575.


***** Hand History for Game 1261486575 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7666895) - Sun Dec 05 03:39:19 EST 2004
Table Table 11977 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Softballguy4 (2055)
Seat 2: chinatoy (1115)
Seat 3: demon50 (1730)
Seat 5: GABLINKA (1035)
Seat 9: Shijima (1060)
Seat 10: drblood21 (1005)
demon50 posts small blind (25)
GABLINKA posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to drblood21 [ Ks, Kd ]
Shijima folds.
drblood21 calls (50)
chinatoy: )
Softballguy4 folds.
chinatoy calls (50)
demon50 raises (225) to 250
chinatoy: naw ... just buy me a beer!
GABLINKA folds.
chinatoy:
drblood21 raises (955) to 1005
drblood21 is all-In.
chinatoy folds.
chinatoy: WHOA
Softballguy4: sure what kind, heineken
chinatoy: wtf
drblood21: the fact that your taking so long
drblood21: to think makes me feel good
chinatoy: A nice cold frosty Canadian brew
demon50 calls (755)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, 6d, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
Creating Main Pot with $2110 with drblood21
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2110 |
Board: [ 5s 6d 9d 7c 8d ]
Softballguy4 balance 2055, didn't bet (folded)
chinatoy balance 1065, lost 50 (folded)
demon50 balance 1780, bet 1005, collected 1055, net +50 [ Qc Kh ] [ a straight, five to nine -- 9d,8d,7c,6d,5s ]
GABLINKA balance 985, lost 50 (folded)
Shijima balance 1060, didn't bet (folded)
drblood21 balance 1055, bet 1005, collected 1055, net +50 [ Ks Kd ] [ a straight, five to nine -- 9d,8d,7c,6d,5s ]

 

[Legendary]

Why is this hand noteworthy? Straights on the board are rare, yes, but not worth posting about methinks.

 

[Viper GTS]

All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

 

[Ikonomi]

I see no problem going all-in on pocket kings...

 

[777php]

they split the pot?

 

[Ikonomi]

Yeah, because the hand was on the table, there was no kicker to determine a winner.

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

that sucks for you.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

Yeah, I'd wait for at least 3 K's before going all-in pre-flop.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

Yeah, I'd wait for at least 3 K's before going all-in pre-flop.

I think suited-kings might be sufficient

I don't know why you raised all in on pocket Kings, either.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: Ikonomi
I see no problem going all-in on pocket kings...

same here.

 

[xyion]

depending on the players, I'd do it. especially if I was the short stack.

edit:

think about it, there is only one hand that can beat you (A,A), and one hand that can tie you (K,K) = 6 total cards (pre flop only of course) so there isnt anything wrong with going all in.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

Yeah, I'd wait for at least 3 K's before going all-in pre-flop.

I think suited-kings might be sufficient

I don't know why you raised all in on pocket Kings, either.

True. I forgot about suited K's.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

Yeah, I'd wait for at least 3 K's before going all-in pre-flop.

I think suited-kings might be sufficient

I don't know why you raised all in on pocket Kings, either.

most of the time it is not a smart play especially if you are opening

player 1 folds
player 2 KK raise all in
everyone else folds
yay you just stole the blinds with KK

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
most of the time it is not a smart play especially if you are opening

player 1 folds
player 2 KK raise all in
everyone else folds
yay you just stole the blinds with KK

Or, in 6 person 'party-poker' 4 other players call, and you lose to trip threes on the river

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

if this is serious,

you suck at poker.

he is playing tourney with 20BB stack. only hand that has him dominated is AA. everything else KK dominates.

and judging by the fact that the table is loose enough to raise KQo preflop and call an all in reraise, pushing KK preflop is absolutely the right play.

 

[dabuddha]

WTF are you people saying???????

FLIP FLOP KNICK NACK PADDY SMACK

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

if this is serious,

you suck at poker.

he is playing tourney with 20BB stack. only hand that has him dominated is AA. everything else KK dominates.

and judging by the fact that the table is loose enough to raise KQo preflop and call an all in reraise, pushing KK preflop is absolutely the right play.

No it isn't.

At a party-poker table (esp. play money) you can expect 1/3 hands to call all in preflop raises. Even AA isn't a lock to win against 2-3 random hands; neither is KK. The variance of the outcome is too high - you might be right to make the play at an open table, but not in an elimination tournament.

 

[xyion]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

if this is serious,

you suck at poker.

he is playing tourney with 20BB stack. only hand that has him dominated is AA. everything else KK dominates.

and judging by the fact that the table is loose enough to raise KQo preflop and call an all in reraise, pushing KK preflop is absolutely the right play.

No it isn't.

At a party-poker table (esp. play money) you can expect 1/3 hands to call all in preflop raises. Even AA isn't a lock to win against 2-3 random hands; neither is KK. The variance of the outcome is too high - you might be right to make the play at an open table, but not in an elimination tournament.

it would be the correct play if online poker wasnt such a scam! But really, I've seen my friend lose some crazy hands (AA loses to 2,4 unsuited).

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
most of the time it is not a smart play especially if you are opening

player 1 folds
player 2 KK raise all in
everyone else folds
yay you just stole the blinds with KK

Did you bother to read the hand history? He limped w/ a monster hand and someone took the bait. The chances of that person having AA, the only to be scared of, is virtually nill for the reason you just outlined above coupled w/ probability.

I'd guess he could have slow-played a bit more by only calling the raise but that essentially leaves him pot committed after the flop in which case you would probably move all-in anyway (unless an A hit, making the decision tougher). Regardless he got all his chips in pre-flop against a completely dominated hand. You couldn't ask for a better situation. The rest was just poor luck.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: xyion

it would be the correct play if online poker wasnt such a scam! But really, I've seen my friend lose some crazy hands (AA loses to 2,4 unsuited).

At a real table, it's the wrong call unless someone puts a fair raise on the board ahead of you; otherwise the risk of executing an unwanted blind steal is too high (assuming you're still a big stack).

In party poker, every play is the wrong one - you're still losing to one of the 3 other players chasing their inside straight to the river, and then insulting you for being so bad

 

[Modeps]

thanks for wasting my time.

 

[xyion]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: xyion

it would be the correct play if online poker wasnt such a scam! But really, I've seen my friend lose some crazy hands (AA loses to 2,4 unsuited).

At a real table, it's the wrong call unless someone puts a fair raise on the board ahead of you; otherwise the risk of executing an unwanted blind steal is too high (assuming you're still a big stack).

In party poker, every play is the wrong one - you're still losing to one of the 3 other players chasing their inside straight to the river, and then insulting you for being so bad

At a real table, if nobody raised I would have limped in, in hopes of a call/reraise.
If there was a sizeable raise, I would have pushed it.

Honestly, I didnt read the transcript throughly, I was just reponding to the "All in with KK preflop?! Do you even know how to play poker?" comment.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
All in pre-flop with a pair of Kings?

Do you play real money at all?

Viper GTS

if this is serious,

you suck at poker.

he is playing tourney with 20BB stack. only hand that has him dominated is AA. everything else KK dominates.

and judging by the fact that the table is loose enough to raise KQo preflop and call an all in reraise, pushing KK preflop is absolutely the right play.

No it isn't.

At a party-poker table (esp. play money) you can expect 1/3 hands to call all in preflop raises. Even AA isn't a lock to win against 2-3 random hands; neither is KK. The variance of the outcome is too high - you might be right to make the play at an open table, but not in an elimination tournament.

your understanding of EV is very bad. you want as many callers as you can get when you all in preflop with AA. sure, you'll only win 1/3 of the time but you win 9x your stack the times you do win.

and you can't use play money situations to define real money tourney play. I push 27o in play money to blow off steam, it doesn't mean I don't kill the real money games.


as to your statement about elimination touney, its even more correct in this case. blinds are 25/50. Hero has 1000 or so. he can only see a couple more cycles until he is blinded off. he gets KK and there is a preflop raiser to 250, 1/4 of his stack. if he reraises anything less than all in, he is pot committed anyways.

If he doesn't reraise and play his kings like trapping hand, he runs the risk of an ace flopping and either killing his action or causing him to fold. and judging by how short stacked the preflop raiser is, I think an all in will be called if preflop raiser had JJ, QQ, TT (hell, in the real example he called with KQo, talk about dominated).

The point is that hero will not find better chance to double up. reraise all in is definitely right move. This is not first hand of tourney. This is already well in to it.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: mchammer187
most of the time it is not a smart play especially if you are opening

player 1 folds
player 2 KK raise all in
everyone else folds
yay you just stole the blinds with KK

Did you bother to read the hand history? He limped w/ a monster hand and someone took the bait. The chances of that person having AA, the only to be scared of, is virtually nill for the reason you just outlined above coupled w/ probability.

I'd guess he could have slow-played a bit more by only calling the raise but that essentially leaves him pot committed after the flop in which case you would probably move all-in anyway (unless an A hit, making the decision tougher). Regardless he got all his chips in pre-flop against a completely dominated hand. You couldn't ask for a better situation. The rest was just poor luck.

yes i didnt say that going all in was the wrong play this hand though i probably would not have

i'm just saying

if you get KK and automatically go all in you are retarded

 

[dquan97]

why is this hand considered note-worthy besides the pair of Kings? If the other guy had a pair of 10s, then it'd be interesting