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JSt0rm

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Personally, he looks like Tom Simkowski.

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"I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS!!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!?!"

I was thinking more along the lines of that was then this is now ;)
 

werepossum

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And if parts or all of it were found to be unconstitutional it would be struck from the books as such.
What it took to get the law passed in congress is of no concern as to the constitutionality of the law itself.

And as Werepossum pointed out, for the signing itself to be illegal the president would of had to of believed the law was unconstitutional when he signed it. Something that would be very hard if not impossible to prove.
I'm not even sure that would do it. Bush signed something or other, campaign finance reform I think, then commented later that he thought it was unconstitutional (SCOTUS ruled otherwise.) There was no hue and cry from Democrats (Republicans were already hueing and crying), which makes me think that although signing an otherwise acceptable bill you thought was unconstitutional would not actually be illegal unless you thought it was so AND SCOTUS ruled it so. Signing into law a bill that he thinks is unconstitutional is certainly a violation of the spirit of the President's oath to uphold the Constitution, but evidently not illegal. Not that either part has much use for laws except as something to enforce on others. Besides, Democrats really believe the "promote the general welfare" thing gives them the right to do literally anything, so Obama couldn't possibly believe a bill passed by a Democrat majority Congress could be unconstitutional.
 

CrackRabbit

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I'm not even sure that would do it. Bush signed something or other, campaign finance reform I think, then commented later that he thought it was unconstitutional (SCOTUS ruled otherwise.) There was no hue and cry from Democrats (Republicans were already hueing and crying), which makes me think that although signing an otherwise acceptable bill you thought was unconstitutional would not actually be illegal unless you thought it was so AND SCOTUS ruled it so. Signing into law a bill that he thinks is unconstitutional is certainly a violation of the spirit of the President's oath to uphold the Constitution, but evidently not illegal.

If that truly is the case then Bush wasn't upholding his oath. The only reasons I can think of that the Democrats didn't attempt to call him on it was it was a bill they favored or the constitutionality was questionable, but not questionable enough to warrant an outright veto on the presidents part.
It is a moot point now anyways that he is no longer president.
 

werepossum

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If that truly is the case then Bush wasn't upholding his oath. The only reasons I can think of that the Democrats didn't attempt to call him on it was it was a bill they favored or the constitutionality was questionable, but not questionable enough to warrant an outright veto on the presidents part.
It is a moot point now anyways that he is no longer president.

It was a bill they favored, campaign finance reform. And yeah, it was certainly a violation of his oath - not to mention a really, really stupid thing to say.