Cheating in college (rant)

[Keego]

I see nothing wrong with working together with people on the homework, but it'll come back and get you when you take the midterms/finals. It did in my case.

 

[VTBigBear]

I go to Virginia Tech..

there was ALOT of cheating going around a couple years ago. but then the university got really strict and started giving out Honor Code Violations all over the place. (first violation is a warning, second your outta here)

It was sad..
all our CS classes run all submitted programs thru a cheating program. so if you have similar code anywhere you get caught..( damn lot of ppl got caught by that)

all of our written papers are run thru a internet program that checks for the content online. if its there you get caught.

one of our music classes here used to be a cheating heaven.. ppl would just bring in copies of old tests and use them during the tests. or just straight out copy from other ppl. it was crazy. but the prof. finally got off his lazy ass and started to give out H.C. violations all over the place. I was laughing like crazy when almost everyone in this group(i dislike them) got violations.. puhaha.. then I stopped laughing cause my roommate got one too...

I looked at what he did to get it and saw that it was pretty straight out cheating. I was pretty disappointed in him. I thought that he would at least not copy anything word for word.. how stupid can you be to copy someones work word for word.... man... thinking about it still gets me mad..

but I too think that using old tests to study is okay.. our prof.s think so too.. err most of them do, but if they dont they have something on their syllabus that says not to use "koofers" otherwise ppl will ask prof.s to post their old stuff on the web.. most do.. since al teachers have a different way of making tests, they'll give an old test as an example of how they make their tests.

ppl use your brains.... dammit

 

[QueHuong]

cjchaps' post has the most logic in it than anyone else's here.

To reiterate what he said, life's not fair - there will be always cheaters, and whining about them won't do you any good. Sure you can rat on some of them but there are going to be others. You can either 1) study even harder to offset part of the advantage they have over you or 2) cheat too.

Don't click that reply button just yet to flame me because you're assuming I'm a cheater. I'm not. I'm currently in high school and I don't need to cheat since my courses are easy enough to do without cheating. Will I cheat in college? If I have to...again, notice that doesn't say I will definitely cheat. I am not going to sit on my ass whining about cheaters while spewing foam at the corner of my mouth...I am not going to let them have that unfair advantage over me so if I have to, I'll cheat myself. Having strict morals may make you a "good" person, but how far will it get you in real life? Definitely not as far as the cheaters. Do you think your morals will be rewarded? Probably not, but that co-worker who just stole your ingenius idea was just promoted over you. All you can do is grin and bear it because life is unfair. The only solution is beat everyone else by whatever means necessarily, even if it involves cheating. Do you think Microsoft, Symantec, IBM, Xerox, etc got thusfar by playing nice? They ripped off intellectual property, reverse engineered competing products, and the list goes on and on. In other words, they are competitive.

To really get anywhere, you have to be competitive as hell - you have to have intelligence, street smarts, right personality, motivation, AND the ability to make things become advantages (i.e. cheat). Sure, those idiots who never studied and passed by cheating will eventually get weeded out. But those dedicated, smart, and ruthless students will get farther than a student who is just as smart and dedicated, but without the ruthlessness. Anybody here wholeheartedly believes Bill Gates got this successful by not cheating?

And once again to those people who are ready to flame me, I don't cheat (but I will if I have to) and I do not condone it. What I'm trying to say is that whether you like it or not, cheating, if you're careful, is inevitable to compete with others because you can almost be sure that your competitions are cheating.

 

[Garet Jax]

Interesting story that taught me early in university in Canada. In my first year calculus class we had weekly assignments with five questions on them. We had three hours to do them. Our class decided that we would split up into 5 groups and each group would work on one question. Towards the end, we would copy the answers from the other four groups. The TA was more than happy to let this happen.

I had a high 90% average going into the final. The problem was that through my "cheating" (although I didn't see it as this at the time), I had only learned 20% of the course. Well I was decimated on the final and ended up just passing the course (56% I think). It was a great lesson and I was lucky to have learned it early enough to make changes. From then on, I always did my assignments by myself even if there were things I didn't know how to do.

 

[crypticlogin]

Hey hey everybody, gunrush will call you a liar in private messages because he thinks you can't work, study, and play at school without cheating.



<< i was speaking for everyone doing eecs at cal

are you one of them?
if so, and you say you dont cheat, you're a damn liar. nobody has time to study for tests AND do all the homework by himself. the homework alone is too damn time consuming.. >>



So you're EECS at Berkeley.. woop-dee-doo? Like I said, please don't speak for me. If you think you can't find the time to study and do the work, then it's not that the curriculum is too packed or there's too much work -- it's called not knowing time management skills. Don't throw around your school's name as an insignia of sacrifice and burden ... it just cheapens your school's image and at the same time, probably insulted alumni and other EECS majors and graduates around the world. You disgust me, Gunrush.

 

[SpearBritney]

<< In my lectronics class there was this group of Vietnamese people who always sat right next to each other. I knew one of them and he was a BAD cheater. In data structures he didn't write one line of his own code, he even cheated on papers in Freshman english. Anyways, on one of the exams the entire group of Vietnamese students all got 100's. What sucks is that they ruined any chance of a curve for the rest of us ( although I had a 90 anyway). >>



I know exactly what you mean. There were these two mexican or some sort of latino guys in my math class - one was average, the other was a moron. Usually, the moron would cheat off of the average one and they would both get C's or B's on quizzes/tests. But on exam day, the teacher interspersed everyone and the moronic latino dude sat behind me while the other guy sat in the back. The teacher left the room for a minute to make an emergency phone call home (false alarm) and I could hear guy mexican guy sitting behind me breathing close to my ear so I turned around and caught him trying to cheat off of me. I was able to intentionally give him wrong answers on the 6 or 7 problems that were worth the most points on the test and the guy was so desperate that he didn't even bother to object when I gave him ridiculous answers (either that or he was just too stupid). The next week when we got our results back, the mexican dude had the nerve to actually come up to me and bitched me out, saying that I was stupid because I couldn't give him right answers. I just smiled, showed him my 94% (compared to his 58%) and how I got those 6-7 questions right. The moron just stood there dumbfounded and about 30 seconds later or so, he finally realized I intentionally gave him the wrong answers. As I was walking home after school, him and his friend tried to start trouble with me. They pushed me into a wall but I tried to ignore them since I thought I would get my ass kicked because it was 2 against 1. Then one of the prick punched me in the chest so I punched him in the solar plex. The fatass fell on the ground like a rag doll gasping for breath. I turned to the other guy and like a true friend, he ran away leaving his friend there alone. then I just walked home feeling great that day because those stupid cowards and idiots got what they deserved. Moral of my story? Don't cheat and don't think nerds are defenseless

 

[cyclistca]

Gunrush and everyone else who seems to think that it's ok to cheat look up ethics in a dictionary.

Sadly as one that is now in the real work world I wish more people had ethic out here.