I play for fun, so no. I don't get all script-kiddie on anyone, ever. I don't even use those retarded-ass buy scripts that the little 12 year old players do, on CS:S. That one is a cesspool of illegitimate "gamers". Yeah, I said it, if you use a buy-script to purchase a million+1 flash nades with the press of a key, you're a pathetic little child.
This thread is not about MMORPGs. There is more to gain than just the satisfaction of playing or winning in those games.
If it is true taht so many people hack on public servers, why is it that I consistently am one of the top players in every game I play? Even when I played the TF2 try out weekends, I was on the top. I suppose that could have been b/c of the noobs (of which I was one technically). This is why I think you all are full of it. If so many people used hacks, I would see more outrageous scoring and would be on the bottom half of the score sheet. I don't play CSS or any CS for that matter, so that might be part of it.
AyashiKaibutsu
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I've map hacked a bit in WarIII mostly because I wanted to see what it did for people. The sad thing is I didn't really need it. I always play thinking about what I would do if I was the other guy, and I'm pretty damn good at it. I ended up getting banned for a month, and when I told someone I arranged teamed a lot with he said yea I always suspected you did... Thing was I never hacked in team games...
HumblePie
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LOL, funny thing is, years ago when I was working at circuit city, this lady, who had wayyyy too much cash would constantly pay me to fix her kids computer. Yes, it was on the side and technically something I wasn't suppose to do, but come on. I was working at CC and knew what I was doing and she was willing to give me $60 to $100 a trip to fix her sons computer, which he seemed to mess up every week at least.
What was the problem? The kid played literally toooo much CS pre source and pokemon and was constantly downloading different "cheats" which always gave him a virus. Or several viruses. This would constantly bring the machine down to it's knees. Sometimes I could just clean the virus, patch up the damage and let the computer go. Other times I would have to completely reload everything from scratch. I'd get it working only to have to come back out the following week again. I'd tell him and his mom exactly what the problem was, show them exactly how I found out what did what and the damage done and what the kid needed to do to STOP getting the viruses. Problem is, no matter what protection I gave him, he'd disable it and re download whatever cheat of the week he could find again. I got fed up with trying even if it was somewhat lucrative. After I left CC for a real job again, I never answered her calls anymore.
Quite simply the same reason I still usually won against hackers. Most of them suck THAT BAD despite cheating, unless they are using something obnoxious like instant kill to everyone on the map every time they press the X button or something else retarded like that. Many people that use cheats need to because they are that terrible. The problem arises is when the really good players use cheats to gain an extra edge. That makes those guys go from good to nigh untouchable. Then, like me, they quit after a bit and you never see them again. Not always but often enough.
Also, many of the better players that use cheats also use the more benign cheats that are harder to detect. Such as turning off the Fog of War and turning on Player ID's through everything at any distance. What this does is allow a player to know where everyone else is on the screen they are viewing. You may still be too far away for them to shoot you, or be behind some cover, but it's a slight edge. They are still using the same weapons as you and still have to make the kill, but the difference is they are harder to surprise because they know where everyone else is that is directly in front of them. It's hard to detect someone cheating like this and while it won't make someone completely invulnerable or god-like in a game, it definitely will net them a few more kills and save them from a few extra deaths.
The problem is how prevalent those "benign" cheats are amongst the so called "good" players of a game. How do I know? Basically a couple friends of mine were on the UT 2004 leader board for a long time and if I played them across the Internet they slaughtered me. But in lanparties I'd hold my own and usually beat them. I finally got out of them that they were using "cheats" that they didn't consider cheats because everyone else was using them and because everyone else does that makes the playing field level and thus it's not cheating to them. At least that is the convoluted logic they used.
Also, cheats aren't always hax, although haxs are always cheats. For example, in halo 1 using the trick to auto reload and skip the reloading animation sequence is technically a cheat. It's a bug in the game, and thus abusing that bug IS cheating. In the Halo tourny I last did at the local and regional levels, the judges never seemed to care and tons of the "better" players were using that trick along with others. At the national level though, as soon as some one used one of those bugs, and quite a few did, they got disqualified. Happened quite a bit actually now that I remember. Also the whining that they did after they got disqualified for using an in game bug was funny to hear. "But, but I didn't cheat! I never cheat! You can't disqualify me!"
I don't know. Wall hacks (which is basically what the player ID hack resembles) are pretty easy to detect when you watch people play. Obviously Fog of War one is undetectable through observation unless someone is shooting at a vehicle or a player that is too far away (which i have experienced in BF)... so I guess it is detectable after all.
Glitching is a lesser cheat, but it is very observable. And the fact that it is not a hack is irrelevant. It is an exploit. The only exploit that really sucks is the one where they go outside or under the maps so you can't shoot them but they can shoot you. I don't glitch either for that matter, but i don't think it is as big of a deal b/c at least you are still not ADDING anything to the game, but you are exploiting bugs and/or poor level design, playing the game in a manner that it is not supposed to be played.
Truth is, i prefer to think that the people i play are not cheating, and there is no way to prove one way or the other unless they get caught cheating. And i have not played against anyone so good that I can't take them down several times unless they are using the most obvious cheats. So, in the end i guess it doesn't matter if we know or not b/c what matters is enjoying the experience.
Glitching is a lesser cheat, but it is very observable. And the fact that it is not a hack is irrelevant. It is an exploit. The only exploit that really sucks is the one where they go outside or under the maps so you can't shoot them but they can shoot you. I don't glitch either for that matter, but i don't think it is as big of a deal b/c at least you are still not ADDING anything to the game, but you are exploiting bugs and/or poor level design, playing the game in a manner that it is not supposed to be played.
Truth is, i prefer to think that the people i play are not cheating, and there is no way to prove one way or the other unless they get caught cheating. And i have not played against anyone so good that I can't take them down several times unless they are using the most obvious cheats. So, in the end i guess it doesn't matter if we know or not b/c what matters is enjoying the experience.
Red Storm
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There's only been a few times in TF2 where I felt that someone was cheating. One of these times I went to spectator and watched the suspect aimbot through a round, so I recorded it and sent it to the server admin, who then banned him a few minutes later. 
Sadly I wish I did the same to this other guy who was in a clan and was using the same type of aimbot to kill me (as a cloaked spy, anytime I got anywhere near him I'd be shot dead), but alas, back then I didn't know about recording demos.
Sadly I wish I did the same to this other guy who was in a clan and was using the same type of aimbot to kill me (as a cloaked spy, anytime I got anywhere near him I'd be shot dead), but alas, back then I didn't know about recording demos.
Are you really comparing a buy script in CS with cheating? You must love pressing those buttons. B 4 1 B 3 1 B 8 2 B 8 4
AK, Deagle, armor and HE grenade. I hit those buttons so much I memorized them 4 years later. AND I made a script to do it for me, both AK and Colt, I also had one with the generics so I could buy a different primary. Hah, buy scripts cheating in CS...
i never cheat online. sometimes in a game if i get stuck and can't get past a part, then i'll do the cheat just to be able to move forward. i've never been accused of hax. i'm not a top player. i'm an ok player. in UT2k4, depending on the server, i can suck or be really good. depends.
i get called a hacker frequently and im not even that good (css)
if i were to guess id say the amount of cheaters on pub servers is about 5-7%
and when i say cheater it could be anything ...
sound hacks..like omitting certain sounds ..
aim bots i think are actually the least common
wall hacks (probably more common)
togglers ( take a quick peek at the action and then shut em off once you know what the other team is doing , possibly involving an aimbot although not necessarily)
of course this is completely unscientific , just a guess based on how often i see blatant hackers and if i assume that a small portion of the people cheat who seem "fishy"
the worst part about it this stuff...the less greedy a cheater is..the harder to detect them
they can simply toggle their walls on and off a couple times a round and you couldnt really tell.... if they dont care about their score you would NEVER know probably because they could just purposely die every so many rounds
if i were to guess id say the amount of cheaters on pub servers is about 5-7%
and when i say cheater it could be anything ...
sound hacks..like omitting certain sounds ..
aim bots i think are actually the least common
wall hacks (probably more common)
togglers ( take a quick peek at the action and then shut em off once you know what the other team is doing , possibly involving an aimbot although not necessarily)
of course this is completely unscientific , just a guess based on how often i see blatant hackers and if i assume that a small portion of the people cheat who seem "fishy"
the worst part about it this stuff...the less greedy a cheater is..the harder to detect them
they can simply toggle their walls on and off a couple times a round and you couldnt really tell.... if they dont care about their score you would NEVER know probably because they could just purposely die every so many rounds
911paramedic
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Admin a server and then look at the screenshots, there are lots of people who cheat.
Makes me crazy...
Makes me crazy...
I have never and will never cheat in online multiplayer games. Quite frankly people that cheat in any way disgust me. Fortunately the servers I play on tend to be pretty well admined so I don't have to deal with hax much.
Anandtech is more mature than the majority of the online fps community as a whole so this poll isn't accurate.
Why would you ever cheat in an online FPS? You don't gain anything by cheating at something like that.
I could understand cheating in a singleplayer game, for instance if you're stuck at a certain part or if your game is buggy and you want to see the rest of the game. There's no reason to cheat when playing other players... the fun is the competition and beating someone with your own skill. Owning someone with cheating is not owning at all.
I could understand cheating in a singleplayer game, for instance if you're stuck at a certain part or if your game is buggy and you want to see the rest of the game. There's no reason to cheat when playing other players... the fun is the competition and beating someone with your own skill. Owning someone with cheating is not owning at all.
Originally posted by: Azn
People who suck at the game use hacks. What is the point of using hack to play a game? Stat paddling? So you can show it off your fake scores to your friends and clan mates? Just pretend you pwned someone when you didn't.
thats not really true, some people really enjoy the psychological aspect of hacking , its like they are a double agent or something
some people might suspect that they cheat, but because they are so good at hiding it, they can never prove it..
i know a lot of really good players who did this type of stuff just because they get bored and want to mess with people
as for the more blatant hackers, i think they just like to upset people period
PeteRoy
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