Cheaper Intel 6C/12T CPU coming? Core i7-3910K spotted

[crashtech]

I thought is was a joke, but:

http://qdms.intel.com/dm/d.aspx/D2F9DF6E-EBFB-40D3-9F24-4975D0AE264B/PCN112319-00.pdf

Seems serious?

 

[blackened23]

Yeah, I don't know why anybody buys the mainstream platform at this point. My next purchase will be an Ivy Bridge E.

There's nothing wrong with the mainstream platform. Applications that use more than 2 threads are still few and far between and this has caused situations where most applications/games run the same or better on the mainstream platform rather than the enthusiast.

However, I assume this is changing next year - mainstream won't get much of an update (Haswell refresh?) as broadwell is BGA/mobile only, and Haswell-E is also slated for released in the middle of 2014 along with the X99 chipset. As far as I can tell, Intel is accelerating the release of chips for the enthusiast platform while mostly leaving the mainstream alone. I could be wrong...but that is what their roadmaps seem to suggest.

Again, the main point here -- there is really nothing wrong with the mainstream platform, it's still a great platform with great performance. A 4770k is generally dead even or faster in many games faster than SB-E due to the increased single thread performance, although SB-E obviously has many advantages in other areas. They're both good platforms -- but again, enthusiast seems to be getting more attention beginning in 2014. My theory is that Intel is lowering the entry price points for the E platform to kick things off and I also think they're shuffing more desktop users to the E platform. So users that would traditionally have purchased a mainstream "K" SKU in the past will purchase an E platform instead with a lower priced CPU.....Should be interesting to see what happens. Again, all of this is theory on my part.

 

[crashtech]

Why would this CPU not have appeared on any roadmap, yet was easily found in an official document on Intel's website?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Lots of people trashing the new mainstream platforms in this thread. I feel lost. I am missing something. Haswell is faster than SB-E for all but very thread intensive stuff. Why would people choose SB-E at this point over Haswell?
I mean sure, I have SB-E myself, but I bought it on the gamble that it would help gaming, and it didn't. Still like it though because its cool for some reason.

It's the epeen tingle, you're one of the lucky ones.

I don't see the point in 2011, IvyE isn't going to change much except power consumption which overclocked SBe is comparatively "bulldozer" like compared to Haswell. Even if you look at Triple GPU without PLX on Haswell 1150 it's still impossible to say 2011 has any real advantage.

 

[Gillbot]

I have a 3770k rig and a 3930k rig, I'll stay right here until something really forces me to move.

 

[moonbogg]

@ balla

E-peen tingle I suspect. But if I ever had it, then i've lost that tingle. I think, at the moment and foreseeable future, 6 slower cores is stupid as hell compared to 4 faster ones.

 

[crashtech]

I was going to drag out the infamous Crysis3 CPU performance graph, but I think I'll just wait until IB-E release day and hope for some interesting benchmarks.

 

[Maximilian]

@ balla

E-peen tingle I suspect. But if I ever had it, then i've lost that tingle. I think, at the moment and foreseeable future, 6 slower cores is stupid as hell compared to 4 faster ones.

Q6600 vs dual etc, new consoles multi-threaded blah blah etc stuff...

<3 my 3930k

 

[PPB]

Funny how there arent any BF3 benchs on those images quoted, as its the best game to show how good is to have 6 real cores vs 4+4.


The problem is most noob reviewers wont set thread affinity when running BF3 to the 6 physical cores and not 3+3 or 4+2 (the second number being the HT threads). When you do as I remark, you start to see massive gains in FPS compared to mainstream i7s.

 

[blackened23]

The problem is most noob reviewers wont set thread affinity when running BF3

Why would reviewers go to such lengths to put a product in a good light? Really, bf3 doesn't show any advantage for hexa cores until you're doing multi player, and then the benefits aren't tremendous. In single player, bf3 is pretty similar on a quad core or hexa core, given similar IPC. MP may be a different story.

There are a few games showing benefits for hexa core CPUs and hopefully more developers will take advantage of this. To date, though, not an awful lot have. I think the fault lies solely with developers. Not reviewers.

 

[Rvenger]

I told you to dump that garbage and go LGA2011. :whiste:

You are right. I'm a dumbarse. I will scrap this build and go LGA2011 if I can't get stable at 4.2ghz. I should have listened to you the last time we traded.

 

[Gillbot]

You are right. I'm a dumbarse. I will scrap this build and go LGA2011 if I can't get stable at 4.2ghz. I should have listened to you the last time we traded.

It's not so much that i'm against the newest stuff, but I prefer to wait a few months while all the bugs are worked out. Then if it blows my socks off, I'll bite, otherwise I'll keep waiting for the next revision or next big release.

 

[PPB]

Why would reviewers go to such lengths to put a product in a good light? Really, bf3 doesn't show any advantage for hexa cores until you're doing multi player, and then the benefits aren't tremendous. In single player, bf3 is pretty similar on a quad core or hexa core, given similar IPC. MP may be a different story.

You think hitting taskmanager and changing affinity of bf3.exe is "going great lengths"? Wow, so much for an enthusiast mindset.

I think the person looking for a 550-1k CPU would be really interested in knowing this fact, since they are going for a Enthusiast platform.

Yep, no gains at all :whiste:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Too much variance in MP, 3.8 to 4.4 with it in quad mode gives a mere 2 fps gain, illogical, but with HT off it results in a 4 FPS loss.

Possible confirmation bias taking place in addition to the unreproducable aspect of MP.

 

[crashtech]

...Possible confirmation bias...

Lots of that everywhere you look.

 

[SPBHM]

some games have different performance setting affinity on task manager compared to really having HT off or the lower number of cores... at least is what I got here with affinity vs HT off on the bios (HT off on bios gave me better performance than HT on with 1t per core on the game I compared, Tomb Raider)...

also testing on BF MP is hard to get consistent runs.


anyway, cheaper 6c from Intel is good news, even if it's Sandy Bridge... it should be easy to overclock...

 

[escrow4]

Don't lose sight of the fact that both the 3930K and 4770K are good enough for gaming - both in keeping up the minimums and the averages. I'll be upgrading once a 3930K isn't good enough, and judging by this years games, thats a long long way off.

 

[PPB]

Too much variance in MP, 3.8 to 4.4 with it in quad mode gives a mere 2 fps gain, illogical, but with HT off it results in a 4 FPS loss.

Possible confirmation bias taking place in addition to the unreproducable aspect of MP.

You dont get those are absolute minimums, do you?

That's why he added Average deviation values.

I feel the "I wanna justify my buy as the best possible one" is strong on this thread. Don't know really why :whiste:

 

[moonbogg]

some games have different performance setting affinity on task manager compared to really having HT off or the lower number of cores... at least is what I got here with affinity vs HT off on the bios (HT off on bios gave me better performance than HT on with 1t per core on the game I compared, Tomb Raider)...

also testing on BF MP is hard to get consistent runs.


anyway, cheaper 6c from Intel is good news, even if it's Sandy Bridge... it should be easy to overclock...

That's because idiots won't stop running during their benchmarks while in game. There is a way. There is also an old thread where this situation was tested to death and the numbers actually make sense, unlike that garbage above us posted by that noob.
BF3 uses 8 threads. After 4 real cores, it doesn't care if the remaining 4 are HT or real cores. The benefit is the same.

 

[Makaveli]

It's the epeen tingle, you're one of the lucky ones.

I don't see the point in 2011, IvyE isn't going to change much except power consumption which overclocked SBe is comparatively "bulldozer" like compared to Haswell. Even if you look at Triple GPU without PLX on Haswell 1150 it's still impossible to say 2011 has any real advantage.

good post but you most also notice that some people do more than just play games on their rigs.

I know most of the users on this site just care about game benchmarks but for those that care about stuff outside of games there is still a clear advantage to SB-E and 6 cores.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

good post but you most also notice that some people do more than just play games on their rigs.

I know most of the users on this site just care about game benchmarks but for those that care about stuff outside of games there is still a clear advantage to SB-E and 6 cores.

No question, there should never have been one to begin with from that aspect

The only thing the i7-4770k has is the instruction advantage and efficiency. Overclocking is too much like Russian Roulette except instead of only one round chambered there are 4.

I would take a Haswell i7 if it clocked the same as my i5 does over a SBe x6, in legacy the x6 would still have a performance advantage, but if AVX2/FMA3 pick up at all in the more threaded applications where the x6 has some advantage it would be GG. Plus even in legacy it's hard to ignore the huge power budget of a high clocked SBe system vs a similarly clocked Haswell i7, it's just no contest there from an efficiency standpoint.

 

[Makaveli]

No question, there should never have been one to begin with from that aspect

The only thing the i7-4770k has is the instruction advantage and efficiency. Overclocking is too much like Russian Roulette except instead of only one round chambered there are 4.

I would take a Haswell i7 if it clocked the same as my i5 does over a SBe x6, in legacy the x6 would still have a performance advantage, but if AVX2/FMA3 pick up at all in the more threaded applications where the x6 has some advantage it would be GG. Plus even in legacy it's hard to ignore the huge power budget of a high clocked SBe system vs a similarly clocked Haswell i7, it's just no contest there from an efficiency standpoint.

Agreed.

But most people that would build a SB-E rig don't care about power consumption tho they just care about out right performance

I guess at the end it really depends what you are doing on the pc if your needs require six cores or more you don't have much choice in their current line up.

If 4 cores will do and power consumption and efficiency are key the choice is obvious.

 

[PPB]

That's because idiots won't stop running during their benchmarks while in game. There is a way. There is also an old thread where this situation was tested to death and the numbers actually make sense, unlike that garbage above us posted by that noob.
BF3 uses 8 threads. After 4 real cores, it doesn't care if the remaining 4 are HT or real cores. The benefit is the same.

Keep telling yourself that :whiste:

The mainstream i7 butthurt is strong on this thread.

 

[ehume]

Agreed.

But most people that would build a SB-E rig don't care about power consumption tho they just care about out right performance

I guess at the end it really depends what you are doing on the pc if your needs require six cores or more you don't have much choice in their current line up.

If 4 cores will do and power consumption and efficiency are key the choice is obvious.

I suspect that power budget is why the six-core chips will remain soldered to their ihs's. The potential for that has me interested in overclocking a Haswell-E next year. I have a family member running Photo Shop who would enjoy a fast six-core system when the overclocking fun is done.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

From what I've seen most Haswell chips are just bad.

1.3v to 1.35v on air is still possible for most with top end air or closed loop cooling solutions.

The problem is they're getting garbage overclocks 4.3-4.5GHz with that voltage. I don't even need 1.3v for 4.8GHz, seems the quality of chips coming to desktop for Haswell is leaving something to be desired.