Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Once upon a time, I read in a science journal that polyisobutylene added to gasoline could improve fuel economy and power output by regulating the evaporation and size of fuel injected gasoline droplets. I purchased some polyisobutylene and tried it out. You know what? It had zero effect. It didn't change fuel economy or power one bit. So don't believe everything you read. Even if it's in a scientific journal.
One more thing, I'm not saying that the claims of this article are wrong. Just don't jump to conclusions about conspiracy theories. This is a new discovery, nobody has claimed that this discovery was ever covered up.
The very first antibiotic, sulfa, was an ordinary chemical used to dye clothes (if I recall correctly) before it was much later discovered to be an antibiotic. There was no conspiracy there. It's just that nobody had tried to drink dye fixer to cure infections before!
I don't disagree with anything you said but two points should be made clear in response.
1. You are comparing a treatment to a possible cure and offering this as proof that a conspiracy is therefore unfounded. For a corporation there is no money in a cure, only treatment and more treatment. For a treatment there is no conspiracy required since it's to their benefit.
2. There is no evidence to suggest that there is a coverup to not reveal this to the public by the Big Media, nor is there evidence of a corporate conspiracy to discredit it. However both have already occured in other major health issues (tobacco, cell phones etc).
Cures are a form of treatment, just a more rapid one. Supposing you had cancer, what would you pay for the one-shot miracle cure? Nothing? Give me a break. The only solution to disease for which there is no money to doctors and Big Pharma is prevention.
Your own thread on cell phones linked an article from a government-funded study saying there was no evidence of cell phone use and cancer. You somehow interpreted a scientist's statement of his desire to explore further long-term studies as "proof" of a conspiracy theory. Tobacco products have had warning labels on them since 1964.
Where did I say a corporation wouldn't make any money what so ever on a cure? You are twisting my words to fit your argument. I agree that prevention is the best course of action instead of using drugs
but when you factor in the corporate conspiracy to feed us poisons that make us buy expansive drugs you may start to understand the situation a little better. That will come in my next thread.
As for my own thread you completely failed to note anything I posted and what you are talking about is a guy who said that based on their research there should be more research. A research, that had you bothered to read anything beyond the summary or conclusions, was doctored. Anything said in that report is therefore worthless to begin with. When I noted Tobacco it's to the effect that the industry denied that it was a drug and did everything possible to keep it from getting out including the massive character assassination on Jeffrey Wigand. That it was "bad" for you was hardly new news and your response above as such is laughable and proves you know nothing on the subject.
Sorry, the only thing you've proven is that you're an irrational paranoid conspiracy theorist. I'm sure you'll start raving about chemtrails and the 2nd shooter soon enough. So don't talk to me about what is laughable, eh?
Let me clue you in: conspiracies of the massive size and nature you describe are not sustainable. Someone would sell it out and get rich doing so. The organizational powers to stop that from happening in this country do not exist and (ironically enough) the conspiracy theorists themselves are the absolute proof of that. If you dropped your paranoia for just a moment, you might realize that it is stupidity -- and not villainy -- that causes most of the harm in the world. And stupidity more frequently than not derives from the "OMG we've got to do
something!!" fear mentality. The resulting haste to do
something prevents us from questioning if it is the right thing to do. In fact, in such situations, questioning what is the right and proper course of action becomes the greatest crime of all, doesn't it?
Now ask yourself: do your conspiracy theories enable you to be rational, logical, and in the position to make reasonable decisons? Or do they make you afraid?
Although I believe the conspiracy theory somewhat, this guy has a point. This is why I sometimes have to question the 9/11 conspiracy theorists or even the NWO conspiracy theorists. To think that we have these world leaders and that they will eventually take over the world and bring upon a one world government........ the thought that there are military leaders out there or even politicians who know about what is going on and what is going to happen in the future and not do anything about it seems almost impossible. To think that these guys who are human and probably have parents, children, relatives that they love so greatly that they would just cut off their relationships with them and hold this information from them or even the thought that they would harm their own relatives... somehow that just seems way too out there. Like Vic said, someone, something, somebody would speak up, would speak out, would condone, would tell their relatives/friends that something is going to happen. How could so many people just hold this information from them and be so cold hearted to let this happen by standing by and watching it occur? You have to think about it on that level. I know I do.
I don't disagree for an instant. If life was so simple. It's not.
You would be correct had the evidence not point in the other direction. Very slowly we are pealing back the onion and can see a little bit of what is under the skin.
For one it has to be understood that most people involved in this system either don't even know it is going on or they are self deluded like some people I know. Their jobs and family is far more important to them then justice or something as basic as right and wrong.
Case in point a friend of one of my co-workers has a wall full of degrees and he is exactly one pannel meeting away from being a Doctor. So why isn't he? Because they asked him if he is willing to lie to patience and the public if asked to by those above him. He said no and basicly told them off. Hence he is not a Doctor. That's after I don't know how many years in University. He threw away a $200,000+ job for whatever odd jobs he can find. That's the reality we live in.
So who are the Bad Guys per say. Well that's a very good question and it's quite simple. It's a very small group of individuals compared to the sum of all those involved. How in God's Green Earth would even these people be able to work togeather in a conspiracy? I mean it's unrealistic to think that 1000s of people are working togeather. In truth you don't need 1000s to work togeather.
There is such a thing as compartmentalization. That is you are told what you need to know to do your job and it ends there. Honestly I don't see why this is so hard to follow. Put 2 and 2 togeather and you get a group of people at the top who are A) Unwilling to ask questions for fear of their jobs and B) will follow directions because what little they know is not enough to put the whole picture togeather and fully realize the scope of what they are doing.
People, like you and like me 10 years ago, so easily forget that we are looking at an issue with A) 20/20 hindsight and B) a Top to Bottom understanding of what has happend after the fact with at least some review of the work.
So you are assuming that none of this can happen because there must be some good people in this group. I mean it doesn't make sense to not have good people. You are correct. When looking at the FDA's own study on Aspartame, as well as the CDC's, you will find that those directly responsible in making the report and running the tests did the best job they could and were as honest as they could possibly be. In both the case of the FDA and CDC it was the top brass that corrupted the reports and pushed the product past the red tape. In both cases those responsible went to work with either directly for the company making Aspartame or those in the industry whom were consumers of it.
It's a sick sick system.
Now in the case of the INTERPHONE study the same thing occured. That is the project lead going to work as a consultant for the industry. The difference between the FDA and CDC studies vs the INTERPHONE study is that the FDA and CDC studies were not doctored. Why? There were a TON of front line people working on those studies with lots of experts and pannels looking at the study and raising tons of red flags.
Who doctored the INTERPHONE study is anyone's guess and would require an investigation. Who put up the shameless lying in the Executive Summary of the CDC study is probably far more easily found out. I'll post all that stuff in it's own thread this weekend so you guys can pour over it.
When I have time this weekend I'll also update my cell phone thread with background info on that project lead who went to work for the industry after the study was completed.
Anyway you guys need to understand that the world we live in is not as sugar coated as they make it seem like in history class. I'll reveal more as time permits.
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